Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[EriMin]

EDITED to add a final

This is proof of why Vic can't just drop the lawsuit before discovery. He has to appeal because now that idiots think it's 'over', they're literally going right back to full time defaming him like they did before he announced he was going to sue. For all that fake confidence, all how they welcomed court to show the truth (which they somehow simultaneously claim was a lawsuit that nearly ruined them and was designed to silence them) they shut up and actually had to put effort into making up their fake stories.

Mind, this kind of pointless rumor won't do anything on its own, because its existed since 2010 and has never done Vic any serious harm, but coupled with the defendants defaming him and committing TI in private with all his venues, it gives this stupid smokescreen substance to the casual observer. "They keep tweeting about how Vic did a bad thing in 2010 and then that venue canceled him (unrelated, because Funimation made it do so), that must mean there's unknown information verifying this and we need to cancel/not book him, too."



These kinds of ridiculous rumors rely on the reader not being familiar with conventions or how they're run - and in some of these fanfictions, it's likely the writer themselves isn't even familiar with cons and con hotels (Vic constantly being places without a handler, massively popular cons being deserted at high times and traffic points, Vic vanishing for HOURS when he would have multiple panels and signings to do that day, but no one in the convention noticing this except staff, etc)

It seems we're back to the ridiculous and unbelievable rumor stories that require one to actively avoid thinking. Like when Meepygal tried to edit and chop of the video of her interview with Vic Mignogna to make a man who could barely stand up straight after 7 hours of signing - and was desperately trying to carry an awkward failure of an interview - into a creeper who kept sniffing her and clinging to her on camera.



When you insist on screaming "NOT EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY" it just makes you sound like you're saying "STOP LOOKING CLOSELY, I DON'T WANT YOU TO NOTICE US CONSPIRING."

Also, seriously. Conventions are full of wild, drunk people looking to have fun and loose people who are 10 billion percent ready to have sex with the voice actors of their favorite characters. Someone like @EriMin would have to confirm or deconfirm how often handlers actually have to shoo away overly hopeful fans hoping to get some, but even if all the fans respect the consent of the VAs they crush on they don't respect it that still means a plethora of booty choices for any interested industry people. There's absolutely zero reason for Vic to solely go after weird children who may or may not look female and definitely aren't interested. I'm sure his failed attempts went about as far as he described the Yost twin one went. Flirt, ask if they're interested, then politely say goodnight if they turn him down. Move on.

I’ve been stewing over that claim about pushing his anime’s, trying to rack up any times I’ve ever heard him mention them as something someone should watch. I can say that the only times when I’ve heard him say “You should watch xyz anime” would be in the context of someone seeing a character headshot on his table, that person asking him who the character was, and him recommending they check it out. They only thing I’ve ever seen him actively push has been his own CDs and that’s always been AT the autograph tables or mentioning them in passing at a panel.
As to the pants comments... Vic has such a plethora of outrageous pants that just vaguely saying “You know, THOSE pants” isn’t in any way identifying... I mean, I can name a few guests from the mid/early 2000’S who might have written unusual pants. Just do a quick google search of the most active VAs from that time period and take a look at the guest photos.

I can also confidently say that my job was to keep attendees from bothering guests when they don’t want to be bothered and preventing attendees from delaying guests from getting to panels and signings in time. Definitely wasn’t my job to cock-block guests, lol. I’ve handled a lot of guests in my time, predominantly male guests, and I can say for my own experiences that I’ve only had to shoo off one or two who were making come-ons that the guest wasn’t interested in. That’s not specific to Vic, but in regards to all guests I’ve worked with.

If a grown, female guest wants to invite a hot Spike Speigel cosplayer back to their room, that’s none of my damn business. Not my job to ID the man, not my job to interfere. Probably my job to go get the snack tray, roflol.

Also, the trademark pants haven’t ALWAYS been a thing. Take a look at pics of him from the 2000s and you’ll notice a lot of ripped jeans but not a lot of crazy ones... just sayin’....,

 

[Bender]

I’ve been stewing over that claim about pushing his anime’s, trying to rack up any times I’ve ever heard him mention them as something someone should watch. I can say that the only times when I’ve heard him say “You should watch xyz anime” would be in the context of someone seeing a character headshot on his table, that person asking him who the character was, and him recommending they check it out. They only thing I’ve ever seen him actively push has been his own CDs and that’s always been AT the autograph tables or mentioning them in passing at a panel.
As to the pants comments... Vic has such a plethora of outrageous pants that just vaguely saying “You know, THOSE pants” isn’t in any way identifying... I mean, I can name a few guests from the mid/early 2000’S who might have written unusual pants. Just do a quick google search of the most active VAs from that time period and take a look at the guest photos.

I can also confidently say that my job was to keep attendees from bothering guests when they don’t want to be bothered and preventing attendees from delaying guests from getting to panels and signings in time. Definitely wasn’t my job to cock-block guests, lol. I’ve handled a lot of guests in my time, predominantly male guests, and I can say for my own experiences that I’ve only had to shoo off one or two who were making come-ons that the guest wasn’t interested in. That’s not specific to Vic, but in regards to all guests I’ve worked with.

If a grown, female guest wants to invite a hot Spike Speigel cosplayer back to their room, that’s none of my damn business. Not my job to ID the man, not my job to interfere. Probably my job to go get the snack tray, roflol.

Oh God, EriMin's firing shots at Americans from Japan, could this be the start of World Weeb War One?

"Vic has such a plethora of outrageous pants that just vaguely saying “You know, THOSE pants” isn’t in any way identifying" LMAO

 

[Much Ado About Nothing]

Was reading over a debunking post:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/pull-gawking-thread.56379/post-5177192

When ya'll mentioned hanleia.

She would have been 13 in 2007, but 15-16 in 2009.

If you look at the debunking post, it could have at the earliest happened in 2009 due to the CD he allegedly tried to give them.

In 2009 kawaii con Honolulu happened. Vic was a guest.

Guess who also was a guest in 2009: Illich guardiola.... And yes Monica Rial.

Archive

 

[HighwayStar]

More laughs to be have from our favorite egotistical deadhead.

I don't know which part to laugh at the most: the fact that he calls others "fake" or that he said "They turn their backs on her AND me". Oh, and he's not playing victim at all...no way.

 

[Adach_Ame]

More laughs to be have from our favorite egotistical deadhead.
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I don't know which part to laugh at the most: the fact that he calls others "fake" or that he said "They turn their backs on her AND me". Oh, and he's not playing victim at all...no way.

Gee it's almost as if this guy is scared of getting ostracized and just being a obedient little lab dog. I'm pretty sure he would do anything if Monica told him to do it. If she told him to sit, he'd sit. If she told him to fetch, he would fetch.

Ain't that the most saddest part of these little lab dogs, that they lack the intelligence to realize that as soon as they outlive their usefulness, or become a liability, their movement and the people they are trying to white knight for will drop them in a heartbeat without a second thought. Just Thanos snapped out of existence, just like that.

It would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic in how lacking of scope of comprehension these dipshits have.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Also, the trademark pants haven’t ALWAYS been a thing. Take a look at pics of him from the 2000s and you’ll notice a lot of ripped jeans but not a lot of crazy ones... just sayin’....,

So, is it a gimmick for Vic's "brand"?

 

[Allanon]

More laughs to be have from our favorite egotistical deadhead.
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I don't know which part to laugh at the most: the fact that he calls others "fake" or that he said "They turn their backs on her AND me". Oh, and he's not playing victim at all...no way.

x to doubt. No one would trust him enough to turn their back to him.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Found a recent article bashing Funi changing scripts to their anime

Dear Anime Fans: Funimation is Not Your Friend

There should be nothing more important to fans of anime than being respectful to its creators. Sure, anime is the product of much more than Japan: the international market has a substantial effect …

unnecessaryexclamationmark.com

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

This is proof of why Vic can't just drop the lawsuit before discovery. He has to appeal because now that idiots think it's 'over', they're literally going right back to full time defaming him like they did before he announced he was going to sue. For all that fake confidence, all how they welcomed court to show the truth (which they somehow simultaneously claim was a lawsuit that nearly ruined them and was designed to silence them) they shut up and actually had to put effort into making up their fake stories.

These fucking troglodytes seem to think that the court ruled "Vic is a rapist", when in actuality all Chupp ruled was "these people shouldnt be punished for calling Vic a rapist". Its two completely different things that arent even close to each other.

This is why I'm hoping the appeals are swift and favorable for Vic, the salt and spergery will be a hell of a lot funnier from them than ISWV.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Gee it's almost as if this guy is scared of getting ostracized and just being a obedient little lab dog. I'm pretty sure he would do anything if Monica told him to do it. If she told him to sit, he'd sit. If she told him to fetch, he would fetch.

Ain't that the most saddest part of these little lab dogs, that they lack the intelligence to realize that as soon as they outlive their usefulness, or become a liability, their movement and the people they are trying to white knight for will drop them in a heartbeat without a second thought. Just Thanos snapped out of existence, just like that.

It would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic in how lacking of scope of comprehension these dipshits have.

Meanwhile, I can't imagine Vic dropping a fan because they're not useful anymore. Vic seems to have an actual, close relationship with his fans, so much so that he recognizes them at cons and remembers their names. Just another reason for the Funi cabal to hate him, they'd never want to put so much effort into their relationships with the fans.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

These fucking troglodytes seem to think that the court ruled "Vic is a rapist", when in actuality all Chupp ruled was "these people shouldnt be punished for calling Vic a rapist". Its two completely different things that arent even close to each other.

This is why I'm hoping the appeals are swift and favorable for Vic, the salt and spergery will be a hell of a lot funnier from them than ISWV.

I've come to this conclusion. The people of ISWV may be exceptional but at the end of the day they just want to see their hero be freed from this bullshit. That's really all they want. Some have hopped onto it for fame/clout but that's a minority. If someone is ISWV it's because they're a fan for the most part.

But KV is made up of people who are getting off to destroying someone's life. Random 'lawyers' inserting themselves for attention, people who want to be a victim of something, pathological liars, people who want to hide their own transgressions behind Vic's supposed wrongdoings, people looking to make money off of it, the outrage specialists. I haven't really seen many people who love anime enough to actually speak on why getting rid of Vic would supposedly be good for the community, but they've got the audacity to talk about healing the community.

The fans who were/are KV don't hang onto it like these people do. They just accepted that and moved on with their lives because they aren't insane enough to obsess over tearing someone down. The people involved to this day might have been fans before but it's obviously deeper rooted than just wanting to "make the right decision."

Because it's out. Vic is supposedly a creep. Everyone knows. You can't mention Vic without the case and accusations coming up. They've done their job.

Anyone left hanging onto this "movement" against Vic are the people holding gasoline to throw onto the fire they created.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Found a recent article bashing Funi changing scripts to their anime

Dear Anime Fans: Funimation is Not Your Friend

There should be nothing more important to fans of anime than being respectful to its creators. Sure, anime is the product of much more than Japan: the international market has a substantial effect …

unnecessaryexclamationmark.com

Fucking finally. Refreshingly the article covers the biggest of Funi's dub-editing offenses, from Prison School to Hajimete.

Simply putting politics aside, the very thought of these cunts editing the core TONE of an anime for western viewers dumb enough to watch Dubs is off-putting. It is NOT YOUR WORK to edit you hacks, you post-menopausal slags (soy boys included). It is work to be Translated, not Edited, though Funimation has tried to conflate the two in the past to cover their asses when getting called out for their repeat offenses. They tried it in 2014. In 2017 they hid behind "Uh, people are nebulously harassing our VAs, so we're dropping any and all further discussions about Hajimete no Gal dub editing". With this most recent cancer, I believe Marchi herself either joked about or outright taunted fans saying she's editing the script for the Church of WOKE.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

Fucking finally. Refreshingly the article covers the biggest of Funi's dub-editing offenses, from Prison School to Hajimete.

Simply putting politics aside, the very thought of these cunts editing the core TONE of an anime for western viewers dumb enough to watch Dubs is off-putting. It is NOT YOUR WORK to edit you hacks, you post-menopausal slags (soy boys included). It is work to be Translated, not Edited, though Funimation has tried to conflate the two in the past to cover their asses when getting called out for their repeat offenses. They tried it in 2014. In 2017 they hid behind "Uh, people are nebulously harassing our VAs, so we're dropping any and all further discussions about Hajimete no Gal dub editing". With this most recent cancer, I believe Marchi herself either joked about or outright taunted fans saying she's editing the script for the Church of WOKE.

Wtf? They censored Hajimete no Gal??

I know people who fapped to the hot spring scenes. That's the target audience. Why censor it?

 

[Allanon]

Fucking finally. Refreshingly the article covers the biggest of Funi's dub-editing offenses, from Prison School to Hajimete.

Simply putting politics aside, the very thought of these cunts editing the core TONE of an anime for western viewers dumb enough to watch Dubs is off-putting. It is NOT YOUR WORK to edit you hacks, you post-menopausal slags (soy boys included). It is work to be Translated, not Edited, though Funimation has tried to conflate the two in the past to cover their asses when getting called out for their repeat offenses. They tried it in 2014. In 2017 they hid behind "Uh, people are nebulously harassing our VAs, so we're dropping any and all further discussions about Hajimete no Gal dub editing". With this most recent cancer, I believe Marchi herself either joked about or outright taunted fans saying she's editing the script for the Church of WOKE.

Minor note that it actually is their responsibility to edit it. Whether that means to censor material so that it's appropriate for where it's now airing or the audience it's targeting (Yugioh spinoffs, for instance, are transparently made for kids and young teenagers. Censoring the material to match what is acceptable for children and young teens here is appropriate), or whether it means changing something to what isn't literally accurate to the original dialog but which means what the other thing meant, it's still 'editing' and it's still their responsibility. People - especially dub haters and sub purists who have no idea what they're talking about - often don't understand what localization is about, and will lambast dubs and localizations for those kinds of changes without understanding that the 'literal translation' is actually often inaccurate.

 

[ThatDumbPhilosopher]

By the way, we are still waiting for evidences that aren't forged or just a lame fanfiction.
*Sips tea*

 

[Lone MacReady]

Minor note that it actually is their responsibility to edit it. Whether that means to censor material so that it's appropriate for where it's now airing or the audience it's targeting (Yugioh spinoffs, for instance, are transparently made for kids and young teenagers. Censoring the material to match what is acceptable for children and young teens here is appropriate), or whether it means changing something to what isn't literally accurate to the original dialog but which means what the other thing meant, it's still 'editing' and it's still their responsibility. People - especially dub haters and sub purists who have no idea what they're talking about - often don't understand what localization is about, and will lambast dubs and localizations for those kinds of changes without understanding that the 'literal translation' is actually often inaccurate.

There is a huge world of difference between shoe-horning a Star Trek reference into Steins;Gate to keep the nerd aesthetic intact, and Hajimete no Gal Calling The Target Audience Misogynists Because #CurrentYear Funimation Has An Agenda. A bit different.

 

[Allanon]

There is a huge world of difference between shoe-horning a Star Trek reference into Steins;Gate to keep the nerd aesthetic intact, and Hajimete no Gal Calling The Target Audience Misogynists Because #CurrentYear Funimation Has An Agenda. A bit different.

Yes, but that's a completely insincere description of it, so that's hardly fair. I watched the Hajimete no Gal dub and didn't find anything wrong with the scene in question at all. It's debatable if it's a problem in that specific case, but in a general sense you could definitely do what they did with that HnG scene to get the point across. I think this discussion has been had in this thread a few times now, but there's a wide range of what goes into localization and what is acceptable 'localization'. In the end it boils down to 'did it make the audience react the way the audience was supposed to, and did they understand what they were supposed to understand'.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Remember when we found out Amber Heard was the real person who abused Johnny Depp and not the other way around. This is all the things she did to him.

Threw a remote at him? Her and Ron should meet one day. Seriously how did Depp win this defamation case when he's more of a public figure than Vic could ever be?

 

[Random Internet Person]

Remember when we found out Amber Heard was the real person who abused Johnny Depp and not the other way around. This is all the things she did to him.
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Threw a remote at him? Her and Ron should meet one day. Seriously how did Depp win this defamation case when he's more of a public figure than Vic could ever be?

Man, talk about projection.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Remember when we found out Amber Heard was the real person who abused Johnny Depp and not the other way around. This is all the things she did to him.
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Threw a remote at him? Her and Ron should meet one day. Seriously how did Depp win this defamation case when he's more of a public figure than Vic could ever be?

I hope Ty and co use that as an example of why the ruling was fucked.