Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Neat thing about flat buffer manipulation like that: I bet this game sees enduring popularity in the speedrunning community because whipping up a proper open-world randomizer is going to be piss easy if the event scripts are anywhere near as easy to modify.

If the game just spat you into the wild area with completely random mons available and all gyms accessible with their ‘challenges’ just replaced with a short, difficult trainer gauntlet of whatever their type was and challenged you to finish as fast as possible, it would legitimately be really enjoyable even with all of this gen’s bullshit problems. Pokémon where you can have the entire full-game experience in a 3-hour session where you’re forced to improvise strategy on the fly based on what you find sounds like a blast especially given how you can pick and choose encounters this gen.
 
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Reminder that Gamefreak also released TOWN this year.
Yeah that game that I bet you already forgot. They took away half their company to make it, and most people say it was shit.
Hopefully the modding scene will cause Nintendo to do some investigating of how competent game freak are as a developer because the sales are sadly doing well.
 
What's a worst case scenario behind this game design and the choices Game Freak made? Could it be possible that they might add in microtransactions which allows you to buy the full national Dex one pokeman at a time? Pokemon go did alright in the microtransaction department from what I've read and that seems to be the companies direction of the fans they want to cater to. I'm curious if they would go full ham into that model on this gen and removing half of them was just a shekel scheme? If so I wouldn't be surprised that the fans would blindly buy the national Dex like that one Mon at a time even after arguing that the game is somehow better without it.
 
Reminder that Gamefreak also released TOWN this year.
Yeah that game that I bet you already forgot. They took away half their company to make it, and most people say it was shit.
Hopefully the modding scene will cause Nintendo to do some investigating of how competent game freak are as a developer because the sales are sadly doing well.
Wait is that out already?
 
What's a worst case scenario behind this game design and the choices Game Freak made? Could it be possible that they might add in microtransactions which allows you to buy the full national Dex one pokeman at a time? Pokemon go did alright in the microtransaction department from what I've read and that seems to be the companies direction of the fans they want to cater to. I'm curious if they would go full ham into that model on this gen and removing half of them was just a shekel scheme? If so I wouldn't be surprised that the fans would blindly buy the national Dex like that one Mon at a time even after arguing that the game is somehow better without it.
The microtransaction is the Home membership.
 
So it officially happened., someone decided to set themselves on fire outside a Gamestop, in protest of Game Freak's changes in Pokemon Sw/Sh. Hope he actually didnt set himself on fire. His tweets are pure gold.


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Looks like Jim Sterling gave his own hot takes on the issue, but he only really talked about “Dexit” and ignored issues like the game breaking auto save or names of unused Pokémon being found in the code.
 
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So it officially happened., someone decided to set themselves on fire outside a Gamestop, in protest of Game Freak's changes in Pokemon Sw/Sh. Hope he actually didnt set himself on fire.


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Well, Dio has always been autistic, so this is the next logical step.
 
Even GameXplain was uncucked enough to have a guy on to say that it felt like you could beat the game by walking forward and pressing A repeatedly.
People who say that didn't get to Nessa's water gym and take Razor Shell to the face from her Dreadnaw. I barely survived that fight 6-3 with level & type advantaged pokemon.

GameFreak really reminds me of Blizzard right now, they keep implementing new systems or features and give them up almost as quickly as they build them. Regardless, I felt a little genuine hype fighting the first gym leader when the crowd starts cheering, the music plays and you both Dynamax for the first time(in the story at least). Probably an achievement of sound design more than anything, but it's a nice moment even if it's just Z-moving under a new name.
 
The microtransaction is the Home membership.
I get that, but it could get worse. Just consider Mario Kart World Tour. It was regarded by several people as some of the worst microtransactions behind an EA game to date.

What's to say that the lack of the national Dex isn't just a scheme to eventually sell it back to idiots who will pay for it? The avenues to do it with something like DLC for Zelda Botw already exist or DLC for smash brothers. The weird PR up until this point seems like they are bitting their tounges and I haven't seen anybody directly ask if they have DLC or anything for it like that planned.
 
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So it officially happened., someone decided to set themselves on fire outside a Gamestop, in protest of Game Freak's changes in Pokemon Sw/Sh. Hope he actually didnt set himself on fire. His tweets are pure gold.


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Holy shit, it’s like the Pokemon version of Rufus.
 
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I'm sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I just can't get over the fact that Dragapult, the game's pseudo-legendary, has a base speed of 142. Couple that with its base 120 physical attack, and you have a mon that hits incredibly hard, and incredibly fast. It's a glass cannon, sure, but still. Thank god GF at least had the sense to not also give it Shadow Sneak.
 
I'm sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I just can't get over the fact that Dragapult, the game's pseudo-legendary, has a base speed of 142. Couple that with its base 120 physical attack, and you have a mon that hits incredibly hard, and incredibly fast. It's a glass cannon, sure, but still. Thank god GF at least had the sense to not also give it Shadow Sneak.
The stat power creep this gen is real but most of the new Pokemon have horrible movesets. Corviknight is literally a better Skarmory with pressure BUT it doesn't have shit like spikes or whirlwind. Also it actually has nasty plot and good special STABs but only 50 something special attack.

I'm actually sort of enjoying this gen but fuck GameFreak for snapping all the good capture Pokemon. Smeargle, Parasect, and Breloom all got removed. The fairy mushroom is the only spore user left and I couldn't find anyone that can learn False Swipe and Yawn at the same time this gen. That and the fact that hard to capture Pokemon seemingly got much harder to catch is giving me cancer.
 
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PKHeX is compatable with SwSh lmao

A little later than I thought it would be though tbh

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People who say that didn't get to Nessa's water gym and take Razor Shell to the face from her Dreadnaw. I barely survived that fight 6-3 with level & type advantaged pokemon.

GameFreak really reminds me of Blizzard right now, they keep implementing new systems or features and give them up almost as quickly as they build them. Regardless, I felt a little genuine hype fighting the first gym leader when the crowd starts cheering, the music plays and you both Dynamax for the first time(in the story at least). Probably an achievement of sound design more than anything, but it's a nice moment even if it's just Z-moving under a new name.
Pokemon reminds me of Madden and other yearly sports titles in the sense they add features, remove them, add them again, then remove them again. Dig around the sportsball gamer community and you'll find lists of features removed from madden and more lists of features.

Pokemon is the same way. It's a yearly half baked title with numerous quality of life features added and removed each gen. They don't keep the features in the game to make the biggest and best Pokemon game ever, so there are some Pokemon fans asking every single year "where the fuck is my Battle Frontier at?" While some omissions were forced in both cases (Pokemon's Game Corner and Madden's ambulances come to mind) a lot were due to sheer laziness and the fact they shit these games out yearly. The only difference is Pokemon is praised by tons of shills online while Madden is the longest running joke in gaming.
 
The stat power creep this gen is real but most of the new Pokemon have horrible movesets. Corviknight is literally a better Skarmory with pressure BUT it doesn't have shit like spikes or whirlwind. Also it actually has nasty plot and good special STABs but only 50 something special attack.
In my sun/moon official monthly online tourneys I never encountered anything like the Skarmory spikes/whirlwind cycling. If the move removal is for changing the meta, I'm tentatively supportive of it but I haven't experienced any really stale play other then everyone sporting a Tapu that their team revolves around when they were allowed.

My only false swiper so far was a wild Ninjask; not ideal but I'm rolling with it.
 
I can foresee two outcomes.

The optimist route: The next set of games has all the mons back and GF tries to pull a EVERYONE IS HERE! and/or treat it like a revolutionary brand new feature.

The pessimist route: They stay the course and you're forced to go through Pokemon Prison for a marginally larger number of mons.

Honestly, I'm still not entirely sure which one will happen. The pessimist outcome is easy to pick out but there's still the glimmer of hope in me that Dexit really did come down to massive time crunch and general incompetence and the whole "This is how it's going to be forever" statement they did repeatedly was just the worst PR move in the history of PR moves. It could be argued they didn't want to say "Not all the Pokemon are here but they will be for the following titles" because they feared people wouldn't buy the initial games of a gen and just wait for the next set but, they still pissed off a lot of fans anyway so maybe they thought the former was the lesser of two evils somehow?

I don't know... Every time I mull over this there's plenty of reasons to suggest either outcome. But I'd be lying if I said the pessimist one doesn't look more and more likely at this point. Between Masuda's statements just last year of not wanting to cut mons, Home popping up out of nowhere when Bank was supposed to be the future of transfers for quite some time, so many Kanto mons missing despite them all being in Let's Go and SWSH's engine allegedly being based off of it (and it's not like they left them out to avoid favoritism when Kanto got extra shilling anyway), hell even data for the national dex being in the damn game, it all just adds up far too much.
 
Pokemon reminds me of Madden and other yearly sports titles in the sense they add features, remove them, add them again, then remove them again. Dig around the sportsball gamer community and you'll find lists of features removed from madden and more lists of features.

Pokemon is the same way. It's a yearly half baked title with numerous quality of life features added and removed each gen. They don't keep the features in the game to make the biggest and best Pokemon game ever, so there are some Pokemon fans asking every single year "where the fuck is my Battle Frontier at?" While some omissions were forced in both cases (Pokemon's Game Corner and Madden's ambulances come to mind) a lot were due to sheer laziness and the fact they shit these games out yearly. The only difference is Pokemon is praised by tons of shills online while Madden is the longest running joke in gaming.

What's especially galling is that with X and Y, they reversed the trend, at least for a little while. You were literally playing the game within minutes, you could access trading facilities and super training out the gate, and the game as a whole was much more user-friendly an experience. Everything was at your fingertips with little roadblocked by progress walls. It's a game that respected your time, unlike Black and White which basically did nothing but delay shit constantly. It felt like someone was finally paying attention to what the community wanted for a change.

.....So you can imagine my surprise when Sun and Moon had none of that, tutorialized everything, had long boring unskippable cutscenes, progress walled basically every major function of the game for fucking stupid reasons and did everything possible to prevent players from accessing the main toolkit out the gate. Basically everything of value in X and Y from a usability standpoint got binned because fuck you and replaced with infinitely shittier versions that were worse by every single metric. The only connecting aspect? The things that got axed were all things that the hardcore fans liked. There was a message there: That Game Freak wanted to steer the player's experience, not let the player have their own adventure on their own terms - You will use what we give you, when we give you it, how we want you to, and you will not deviate from the railroad. And to that I say fuck yourself. Pokemon always worked better when it gave you a starter, a goal, and a toolkit and told you to go find your own adventure in the process. All the games in the series I loved, from Red all the way up to X and Y, understood that and didn't saddle me down with faffing around like a tard. All the games in the series I hated (Black and White, Sun and Moon) did the exact fucking opposite.

I felt like Pokemon was increasingly becoming not for me, and that's fine. It's not like I don't have a back-catalogue of games a mile long by now. I was already guarded against Sword and Shield because I knew that odds were good that the game was just going to waste more fucking time for no reason and on pointless side content no one cared about, just like Black and White did and just like Sun and Moon did. That's exactly what fucking happened, of course; I watched a let's play of SwSh and laughed my ass off when I saw that there was a long unskippable cutscene right after Pokemon selection to make it harder for players to save scum for a female.

For Madden, the doom of the series came when EA realized that they could literally re-release the same game with a roster update and stupid sports fans would buy it. Game Freak with Pokemon isn't dissimilar in this regard, but instead of simply releasing the same game over and over, they have been changing it - and making it a more hand-holdy, linear experience that will not keep content that players actually like. I can't say what's motivating them to do this, but I do know that it makes absolutely clear that they don't care about what their players want, and that's arguably just as bad.
 
In my sun/moon official monthly online tourneys I never encountered anything like the Skarmory spikes/whirlwind cycling. If the move removal is for changing the meta, I'm tentatively supportive of it but I haven't experienced any really stale play other then everyone sporting a Tapu that their team revolves around when they were allowed.

My only false swiper so far was a wild Ninjask; not ideal but I'm rolling with it.
Without actually knowing spikes/whirlwind was a thing I used it to do a 1v5 sweep with Skarmory as my last pokemon against one of my friends in simulator gen 5. He had a Metagross and a Ferrothorn both with iron defense and leftovers as his last two Pokemon, and with luck/skill I managed to kill both of them with phasing them on spikes. Skarmory is one of the Pokemon that triggers him to this day, along with Wobbuffet and Scrafty.
 
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I think Nintendo is going to go on a banning spree and shut all this fan made shit down.

This is a bigger deal than the Smash brothers mods.
 
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