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I read a book once, a study of women who got pregnant out of wedlock and placed their babies for adoption in the pre Roe vs Wade era. It was just absolutely horrifying because as you said, the birth mothers got nothing but judgment, no support, no acknowledgement of the terrible loss they endured.

They were just expected to pretend this unintended pregnancy followed by adoption didn’t happen and the baby didn’t exist. Obviously this didn’t work and many of these women were essentially ruined for life by the experience of being more or less forced to give away their baby and then never speak of it again.

One woman who was interviewed for the book, after placing her firstborn for adoption she married and had more kids and raised them. One of those kids got cancer and died age 13. The mom said the loss of the 13yo to cancer was actually more bearable than the loss of her firstborn baby to adoption. Because at least she knew her 13yo was dead, not lost or sad or suffering, and could go to talk to her grave, but she had no idea what happened to her first baby, was it happy, was it loved?
Was the book The Girls Who Went Away? PL, but this happened to my grandmother. My mom searched for her birth mother for decades and finally found her after 25 years. They have a good relationship but it’s extremely weird because my mom is living, breathing proof of this thing that happened and yet my grandmother has NEVER spoken a single word to her about the pregnancy and adoption and probably never will. The amount of repression is insane.
 
Was the book The Girls Who Went Away?

Yes it was. Heartbreaking book. I don’t think a single one of the moms interviewed was not horrifically damaged by their experience.


They have a good relationship but it’s extremely weird because my mom is living, breathing proof of this thing that happened and yet my grandmother has NEVER spoken a single word to her about the pregnancy and adoption and probably never will. The amount of repression is insane.

A girl I went to school with had a baby as a HS senior. We weren’t at the same school anymore by then but I found out cause my mom worked in the hospital where the baby was born, and told me. A few years later I bumped into the girl somewhere and in our chat I said I’d heard she’d had a baby and how was her baby. The girl insisted it was not true, she had never had a baby. Later I found out she’d given the baby up for adoption. And this was in the early 2000s! I can’t imagine the level of denial and shame 1950s and 60s birth moms had to go through.
 
A girl I went to school with had a baby as a HS senior. We weren’t at the same school anymore by then but I found out cause my mom worked in the hospital where the baby was born, and told me. A few years later I bumped into the girl somewhere and in our chat I said I’d heard she’d had a baby and how was her baby. The girl insisted it was not true, she had never had a baby. Later I found out she’d given the baby up for adoption. And this was in the early 2000s! I can’t imagine the level of denial and shame 1950s and 60s birth moms had to go through.
It’s stories like this that really hit home how much of it IS actually about shaming women for daring to have sex. Like I know I know, lots of these ultra-religious people protesting outside hospitals believe in their heart of hearts that ending a pregnancy is murder, but for your garden variety pro-life American there’s a significant punishment aspect to it too. Can’t just have sex and get off scot free like some sort of harlot, even if you’re 15 years old or your baby has a cyclops eye and no brain.
 
Yes it was. Heartbreaking book. I don’t think a single one of the moms interviewed was not horrifically damaged by their experience.




A girl I went to school with had a baby as a HS senior. We weren’t at the same school anymore by then but I found out cause my mom worked in the hospital where the baby was born, and told me. A few years later I bumped into the girl somewhere and in our chat I said I’d heard she’d had a baby and how was her baby. The girl insisted it was not true, she had never had a baby. Later I found out she’d given the baby up for adoption. And this was in the early 2000s! I can’t imagine the level of denial and shame 1950s and 60s birth moms had to go through.

This is why HIPAA is a thing.

If the only way you knew she had a baby was due to your mom telling you about her being in the hospital then you probably should have not mentioned it.

I can’t imagine id want to discuss an teenage pregnancy and adoption with some random classmate I bumped into years after the fact in casual conversation either.
 
The eyes and description of the skin sound exactly like a harlequin.

I wonder if the back of the head was open because the skin cracked badly there and the doctor did not really examine it well. Or maybe it had both conditions going at the same time? If so that is truly horrifying.
 
This is why HIPAA is a thing.

If the only way you knew she had a baby was due to your mom telling you about her being in the hospital then you probably should have not mentioned it.

I can’t imagine id want to discuss an teenage pregnancy and adoption with some random classmate I bumped into years after the fact in casual conversation either.

If I’d known at the time that she hadn’t kept it I wouldn’t have said a word about it, believe me. When I realized what I had done I was absolutely mortified. Where I grew up teen pregnancies were (and are) common and no one thinks much about them, and the moms usually keep their babies.

Yeah, my mom shouldn’t have told me.
 
MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Last weekend was opening weekend for deer rifle hunters in Minnesota — and it was a hunt to remember for a Twin Cities family.

Nineteen-year-old Pierce Pennaz has Down syndrome, and thanks to a new law he was able to go hunting with his dad and bag his first buck in Jackson County.

“We got up Saturday morning, early, 5 a.m. We got Pierce roused out of bed, got him dressed for the weather,” said Steve Pennaz.

Despite being under the weather, Pierce and his dad waited for hours before a six-point buck happened by.

“I had no idea where it came from. All I know is I said, ‘Pierce, there’s a buck,’” said Steve. “He had about a 120-yard shot, which is a long shot for a 20-gauge, and he made a perfect hit on the deer.”

It was a magical moment dad and son weren’t able to share a year ago. Pierce was part of an apprentice program where you can hunt with a parent or guardian for two years. The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources told Steve that to be able to hunt after that, his son needed to pass a firearms safety course. So Steve asked for help, hoping for a way Pierce could continue to hunt with him.

“I wanted to extend the apprentice period so that when we hunt, he’s right here,” said Steve.

Thanks to Rep. Jim Nash of Waconia and other lawmakers, a bill extending the apprentice program became law last spring — and that had Pierce looking forward to fall.

“Pierce was screaming, ‘I got him! I got him! I did it! I did it!’” said Steve.

It wasn’t a trophy buck, but for father and son, it was still a treasure. The video of Pierce’s first deer spread across Facebook.

“I woke up Sunday morning and I admit I was crying,” said Steve. “I just said what an amazing experience, and what an amazing young man.”
Looks like we got ourselves a nominee for the Darwin Award!
 
What I took out of it was their son could NOT pass the safety course so the extension of this apprenticeship was the only means he could still hunt. Thats unsafe for not only everyone there, but the son as well. They kinda tried to hide that portion though....
Yeah, I noticed that too. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the hunt didn't actually go like the dad said, but he lied out of his ass to insist it's okay for an uncertified sped to hunt. Which I really don't think it is, but there's a lot of people who will furiously insist otherwise, unfortunately.
 
If I’d known at the time that she hadn’t kept it I wouldn’t have said a word about it, believe me. When I realized what I had done I was absolutely mortified. Where I grew up teen pregnancies were (and are) common and no one thinks much about them, and the moms usually keep their babies.

Yeah, my mom shouldn’t have told me.

HIPPA is for medical professionals, not neighbors. Your mom didn’t know and neither did you. Nobody did wrong, and you backed off as soon as you realized it was touchy.

It’s too bad it was such a shameful thing. As a truly single mother myself (which means no Dad in the picture at all, not a divorce sharing situation) I can’t imagine the torture women of past generations experienced. I can count on one hand-maybe one finger- the nasty comments I’ve heard, I have felt quite normal. I live in a very progressive area so maybe that makes a difference, but I don’t know...times have changed.
 
HIPPA is for medical professionals, not neighbors. Your mom didn’t know and neither did you. Nobody did wrong, and you backed off as soon as you realized it was touchy.

Apparently you missed the part where I said my mom knew cause she worked in the hospital where the baby was born. She was a medical technologist. She REALLY should not have told me. Huge gossiper.

Sometimes medical staff, not just my mom, can be very fast and loose with HIPAA though. A year and a half ago I was letting a homeless man sleep on my couch (old friend from childhood turned addict, I was trying to help him get back on his feet). He vanished for a week and reappeared looking like hell. I asked if he’d relapsed but he was swearing he hadn’t, claiming he’d been injured by gas toxin exposure at a construction job and had been hospitalized all that time he was gone. I smelled a rat and called the hospital and without giving names explained the situation and asked if anyone had been recently treated inpatient for accidental gas toxin exposure. I figured that was as far as they could go without violating the law. But the lady in the records department was like “This would be easier if you just tell me his name” so I did, and I heard her tapping on the keyboard, then she said “Yeah he hasn’t been treated at this hospital since last August.”

I was a bit shocked as I’m sure this was a violation. I thanked her, hung up and kicked my friend out of the house.
 
Apparently you missed the part where I said my mom knew cause she worked in the hospital where the baby was born. She was a medical technologist. She REALLY should not have told me. Huge gossiper.

Sometimes medical staff, not just my mom, can be very fast and loose with HIPAA though. A year and a half ago I was letting a homeless man sleep on my couch (old friend from childhood turned addict, I was trying to help him get back on his feet). He vanished for a week and reappeared looking like hell. I asked if he’d relapsed but he was swearing he hadn’t, claiming he’d been injured by gas toxin exposure at a construction job and had been hospitalized all that time he was gone. I smelled a rat and called the hospital and without giving names explained the situation and asked if anyone had been recently treated inpatient for accidental gas toxin exposure. I figured that was as far as they could go without violating the law. But the lady in the records department was like “This would be easier if you just tell me his name” so I did, and I heard her tapping on the keyboard, then she said “Yeah he hasn’t been treated at this hospital since last August.”

I was a bit shocked as I’m sure this was a violation. I thanked her, hung up and kicked my friend out of the house.
Eh, people violate those confidentiality things to their families all the time. I experienced something similar with a family member who was a first responder.

It's not like someone's going to kick down your door for talking about your work day at the dinner table. Though it's probably best not to repeat what you hear if your parent/spouse/whomever works in medicine or for the government.
 
Jesus Christ, she thinks the school needs to keep him from eating his clothes. Maybe she needs to do more to stop him from eating his clothes in the first place.
 

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This is exactly what I learned in 7th grade health/ sex ed decades ago in the Bible Belt. The US had gone backwards, I see.
It varies a lot even within a state. Though I have to say as dumb as it can be in some places, I don't get the expression of shock from a couple of pages ago that their parents did a better job educating them about sex than a poorly paid and over qualified government baby sitter. Of course your parents did a better job. Has society fallen so far that this is the exception and not the rule?

Yeah, I noticed that too. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the hunt didn't actually go like the dad said, but he lied out of his ass to insist it's okay for an uncertified sped to hunt. Which I really don't think it is, but there's a lot of people who will furiously insist otherwise, unfortunately.
Speds have constitutional rights too. It's obviously a very bad idea, but I don't know that one could ethically stop it in a way consistent with the foundation of American society.

HIPPA is for medical professionals, not neighbors. Your mom didn’t know and neither did you. Nobody did wrong, and you backed off as soon as you realized it was touchy.

It’s too bad it was such a shameful thing. As a truly single mother myself (which means no Dad in the picture at all, not a divorce sharing situation) I can’t imagine the torture women of past generations experienced. I can count on one hand-maybe one finger- the nasty comments I’ve heard, I have felt quite normal. I live in a very progressive area so maybe that makes a difference, but I don’t know...times have changed.
Single mothers are completely normal now. Which...honestly, is kind of bad in an entirely different way from the previous badness.
 
Jesus Christ, she thinks the school needs to keep him from eating his clothes. Maybe she needs to do more to stop him from eating his clothes in the first place.

So the kid is functioning at the level of an unsupervised pet and needs a 'chewy' to distract? Something tells me he's not going to be working for NASA in the future. Or doing much beyond drooling and breaking things with other things.
 
HIPPA is for medical professionals, not neighbors. Your mom didn’t know and neither did you. Nobody did wrong, and you backed off as soon as you realized it was touchy.

It’s too bad it was such a shameful thing. As a truly single mother myself (which means no Dad in the picture at all, not a divorce sharing situation) I can’t imagine the torture women of past generations experienced. I can count on one hand-maybe one finger- the nasty comments I’ve heard, I have felt quite normal. I live in a very progressive area so maybe that makes a difference, but I don’t know...times have changed.

Single mothers are completely normal now. Which...honestly, is kind of bad in an entirely different way from the previous badness.


Single motherhood or having a child out of wedlock was pre-1970s (before they instituted better social safety nets for single mothers and children) was a very complex problem. Realistically It was more about the ability to survive, as much as moralistic thinking or shame.

Long sperg about single-mothers pre-1970 and how incredibly difficult it was before women had better employment options. Featuring Jack Nicholson, Ted Bundy and Marylin Monroe!!

There were not a lot of good employment options for women pre-1970 and many of the jobs that did hire women (nurse, teacher) would NOT employ a single mother....or even married women! Single mothers were viewed as bad moral examples so they were very discriminated against and only low paying types of employment were usually available to most. Even colleges would immediately kick out a unmarried pregnant student or refuse to admit a single mother as a student.

Families pressured unmarried women to give up children for adoption because the family might struggle to care/feed a new baby and it was believed the baby would ruin the woman’s prospects for a good marriage. Marriage was considered the primary goal for a woman, since there were not great employment options. On top of this a illegitimate child faced terrible stigmas - so both child and mom were punished.

Families who were well-off and faced with a single, pregnant daughter sometimes sent her away to have the baby (pretending she was visiting relatives) and then would quietly adopt the baby but pretend it was a foundling. Jack Nicholson is actually an example of this. He grew up thinking his grandparents were his parents and his mother his sister. He only found out the truth as a grown man in his 30’s. Ted Bundy was also another example, but his mother brought him into her new family when he was ten and she got married. I’m picking two wildly different examples of well know men from the same generation to show it wasn’t an uncommon phenomena.

Shame was certainly a big factor, but it was the harsh realities and economic survival that underpinned the stigma. Shame was a tool to deter premarital sex. Parents viewed single motherhood as destroying their daughters chances for a marriage, respectable employment and stable happy life. If the daughter kept the baby the support of both the mother and the child would usually fall upon the grandparents for many years, unless the father could be pressured into marriage. (Make no mistake in most cases a young pregnant woman meant a shotgun wedding though they would try to fudge dates to make it appear the pregnancy occurred after the wedding when possible) Caring for an unwed mother and infant just wasn’t feasible for many families who already struggled to survive.

In the pre-social safety net era even married couples would put up babies for adoption due to inability to feed and care for another mouth. During the Great Depression many of the children in orphanages were from married parents who simply couldn’t afford to care for them.

If an unwed mother did keep her baby she usually had to leave it in the care of a baby farm, or an older woman who would care for a infants/toddlers in exchange for payment, so the mother could work to survive and pay for the care of the child. The mother then would be able to visit on weekends. In these cases the mothers were able to hide the fact they had a child from employers, but lived in fear of it being discovered and losing their jobs. (Depending on what the job was, some fields were better than others for looking the other way)

Marylin Monroe was an example of a baby in this situation. Given that her mother was a troubled schizophrenic Ida, the woman her mother paid to care for her, was a better option. Her mom worked various jobs in the Hollywood studio system before being institutionalized. Marylin was raised from age two weeks until she was seven years old by Ida, but was returned to her bio-mom because she refused to let Ida adopt her.

The govt didn’t help matter with the rules of their AFDC welfare program which would cancel meager benefits if a man was found living in the home. This tended to particularly hurt black families. If the unmarried mother tried to have the father, or any man, in the home she would lose her benefits. This ensured the women stayed unmarried and children without a father figure, because a guaranteed check was better than a husband that might struggled to earn a paycheck or who drank it away.

The stigma around unwed mothers had as much to do with how difficult survival was as one, even more than moral qualms, for most people. (Extremely religious ppl, who felt death was better than a daughter engaging in premarital sex, are another matter.)

Years ago I did quite a bit of reading on baby farms and how older women made a living by caring for children of unwed or widowed mothers in the early 20th century in a sort of underground economy. It was very eye opening on how terribly difficult it was for single mothers in the past. But also the way other women created a sort of secret system for caring for the babies of single mothers, providing another option besides the orphanage.

The term baby farm has very sinister connotations, with good reason, but many were just older women providing a much needed service for desperate mothers and babies.

The evil baby farms counted on the mothers to stop paying or visiting the babies after a few months so that they could sell the babies or bury them. The horror stories were only discovered by dedicated mothers who did not stop visiting or paying and couldn’t be stopped from going to the police when the farm wouldn’t hand over or let them see their baby.
 
Single motherhood or having a child out of wedlock was pre-1970s (before they instituted better social safety nets for single mothers and children) was a very complex problem. Realistically It was more about the ability to survive, as much as moralistic thinking or shame.

Long sperg about single-mothers pre-1970 and how incredibly difficult it was before women had better employment options. Featuring Jack Nicholson, Ted Bundy and Marylin Monroe!!

There were not a lot of good employment options for women pre-1970 and many of the jobs that did hire women (nurse, teacher) would NOT employ a single mother....or even married women! Single mothers were viewed as bad moral examples so they were very discriminated against and only low paying types of employment were usually available to most. Even colleges would immediately kick out a unmarried pregnant student or refuse to admit a single mother as a student.

Families pressured unmarried women to give up children for adoption because the family might struggle to care/feed a new baby and it was believed the baby would ruin the woman’s prospects for a good marriage. Marriage was considered the primary goal for a woman, since there were not great employment options. On top of this a illegitimate child faced terrible stigmas - so both child and mom were punished.

Families who were well-off and faced with a single, pregnant daughter sometimes sent her away to have the baby (pretending she was visiting relatives) and then would quietly adopt the baby but pretend it was a foundling. Jack Nicholson is actually an example of this. He grew up thinking his grandparents were his parents and his mother his sister. He only found out the truth as a grown man in his 30’s. Ted Bundy was also another example, but his mother brought him into her new family when he was ten and she got married. I’m picking two wildly different examples of well know men from the same generation to show it wasn’t an uncommon phenomena.

Shame was certainly a big factor, but it was the harsh realities and economic survival that underpinned the stigma. Shame was a tool to deter premarital sex. Parents viewed single motherhood as destroying their daughters chances for a marriage, respectable employment and stable happy life. If the daughter kept the baby the support of both the mother and the child would usually fall upon the grandparents for many years, unless the father could be pressured into marriage. (Make no mistake in most cases a young pregnant woman meant a shotgun wedding though they would try to fudge dates to make it appear the pregnancy occurred after the wedding when possible) Caring for an unwed mother and infant just wasn’t feasible for many families who already struggled to survive.

In the pre-social safety net era even married couples would put up babies for adoption due to inability to feed and care for another mouth. During the Great Depression many of the children in orphanages were from married parents who simply couldn’t afford to care for them.

If an unwed mother did keep her baby she usually had to leave it in the care of a baby farm, or an older woman who would care for a infants/toddlers in exchange for payment, so the mother could work to survive and pay for the care of the child. The mother then would be able to visit on weekends. In these cases the mothers were able to hide the fact they had a child from employers, but lived in fear of it being discovered and losing their jobs. (Depending on what the job was, some fields were better than others for looking the other way)

Marylin Monroe was an example of a baby in this situation. Given that her mother was a troubled schizophrenic Ida, the woman her mother paid to care for her, was a better option. Her mom worked various jobs in the Hollywood studio system before being institutionalized. Marylin was raised from age two weeks until she was seven years old by Ida, but was returned to her bio-mom because she refused to let Ida adopt her.

The govt didn’t help matter with the rules of their AFDC welfare program which would cancel meager benefits if a man was found living in the home. This tended to particularly hurt black families. If the unmarried mother tried to have the father, or any man, in the home she would lose her benefits. This ensured the women stayed unmarried and children without a father figure, because a guaranteed check was better than a husband that might struggled to earn a paycheck or who drank it away.

The stigma around unwed mothers had as much to do with how difficult survival was as one, even more than moral qualms, for most people. (Extremely religious ppl, who felt death was better than a daughter engaging in premarital sex, are another matter.)

Years ago I did quite a bit of reading on baby farms and how older women made a living by caring for children of unwed or widowed mothers in the early 20th century in a sort of underground economy. It was very eye opening on how terribly difficult it was for single mothers in the past. But also the way other women created a sort of secret system for caring for the babies of single mothers, providing another option besides the orphanage.

The term baby farm has very sinister connotations, with good reason, but many were just older women providing a much needed service for desperate mothers and babies.

The evil baby farms counted on the mothers to stop paying or visiting the babies after a few months so that they could sell the babies or bury them. The horror stories were only discovered by dedicated mothers who did not stop visiting or paying and couldn’t be stopped from going to the police when the farm wouldn’t hand over or let them see their baby.

God damn, in between t
Ooh, there were some truly staggering mass murder cases involving baby farmers in Victorian times. Horrifying stuff. Amelia Dyer was basically a female serial killer with endless deaths at her hands, for example. It was quite the scandal back then.

Don't forget Mary ann cotton (although she killed her own kids) and the demon midwife from ww2 Japan who killed 100+ babies by neglecting them and gorging death certificates.
 
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