Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

You cannot possibly tell me the USS Defiant (Connie version) didn't look good in HD. That was pretty much the main apppeal of the episode. That and Dennis McCarthy's score.
When it aired I watched it on SDTV. The HD remasters of TOS show the Defiant much better than ENT did. Fight me.

The real reason Voyager never got a mirror universe episode is that it would be too hard to make mirror Janeway more evil than regular Janeway.
"Living Witness", in which the ship of death and plague known as the Voyager is remembered in the way it should, and in which I presume Janeway gives into the spider-demon that possesses her and just eats anyone who disagrees with her.
 
When it aired I watched it on SDTV. The HD remasters of TOS show the Defiant much better than ENT did. Fight me.

Really depends on the episode in my opinion. Remastered Doomsday Machine looks like ass. Meanwhile, Remastered Ultimate Computer is pretty damn awesome since we get to see the Connies dogfight.
 
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TNG had its moments in earlier seasons. I'd very much argue Season 1 of TNG never had the lows of 1 or 2 of Enterprise while Season 2 of TNG was near insufferable for me with higher highs. TNG also gave me more reason to personally connect to some of the characters like Data early on compared to ENT.
true. my point was just most trek shows needed to find it's footing, and a lot of people say ENT gets better with S4 - and I remember reading what they planned back then and it sounded exciting, so I'll probably always look back as some kind of missed chance (like making shran part of the enterprise crew, which could've shown more of how andoria joined the federation). otoh they apparently thought of a doctor who crossover too, so maybe it's for the better.

liked bakula as archer but the writing was off sometimes (never as bad as janeway tho), phlox, even the whole T'Pol/tucker thing wasn't as annoying as I feared, shran of course, there were plenty of memorable characters.
and I say that as someone who isn't a big fan of prequels, ENT even when they tried to not go full retard like STD rubbed me the wrong way, and I think I wasn't alone in that sentiment which contributed to the hate it got right from the beginning.

"Living Witness", in which the ship of death and plague known as the Voyager is remembered in the way it should, and in which I presume Janeway gives into the spider-demon that possesses her and just eats anyone who disagrees with her.

imo it was an interesting episode in how things will be remembered in the future, while letting the characters get off the rails a bit.
as fun as mirror episodes are, making it overly canon is completely retarded and was done out of desperately for memberberries and retarded fans to begin with.

bigger sacrilege is we never got an episode with swole picard channeling kirk and banging all the bitches while making riker with a horseshow mustache watch.
 
imo it was an interesting episode in how things will be remembered in the future, while letting the characters get off the rails a bit.
as fun as mirror episodes are, making it overly canon is completely exceptional and was done out of desperately for memberberries and exceptional fans to begin with.

bigger sacrilege is we never got an episode with swole picard channeling kirk and banging all the bitches while making riker with a horseshow mustache watch.
Don't forget the Doctor's fanfic. (which SFDebris described as "writing an episode of Voyager based entirely off my reviews")

Let's get back to hating on discovery now.
 
Don't forget the Doctor's fanfic. (which SFDebris described as "writing an episode of Voyager based entirely off my reviews")

Let's get back to hating on discovery now.
The redesign of the bat'leth further illustrates how they were legally required to change all of the designs. (And also illustrates that they are idiots with shite taste.) That was a cool-looking, simple weapon, yet they chose to transform it into what looks like a fossilized section of bowel from an Alien xenomorph.
 
The redesign of the bat'leth further illustrates how they were legally required to change all of the designs. (And also illustrates that they are idiots with shite taste.) That was a cool-looking, simple weapon, yet they chose to transform it into what looks like a fossilized section of bowel from an Alien xenomorph.
Like the rest of STD, I doubt that it's entirely a legal issue. I think it's a lack of understanding of the material and it's done on purpose because they just don't care. The bat'leth redesign is the perfect example. It was a weapon used in close combat but now every sharp ends are aimed towards the person who is holding it. The logic behind that change is absolutely reetarted: "we think that a knife is a defensive weapon, that means they have to hold it by the blade".
Apparently the behind the scenes featured in the DVDs are quite interesting (Major Grin used some of it in that video), it revealed how dumb these people are.
 
Can we talk about the USS Discovery looking like the Planet of the Titans model yet?

Also the tailer for the whole fucking show aping TMP?

What the fuck? I mean really, why? If you're gonna go with something totally different, why dick with us oldfag fans of the series?

Here, here is what I fucking mean:

Also that asteroid base looks a lot like the one from Enterprise where the Defiant launched out of.

Also get a better fucking score. RIP Goldsmith, you fucking monsterously awesome composer.
 
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Brent Spiner in an episode of Tales from the Darkside, circa 1983 (s01e09). The characterization he used was like the one he did in Night Court, I think - sort of country jokelish. Just thought it was neat. Also a very young pre-celebrity Christian Slater co-starred as the corpse's son.

That show is not as good as I remembered it, pretty awful actually. The casting is decent though.
 
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Brent Spiner in an episode of Tales from the Darkside, circa 1983 (s01e09). The characterization he used was like the one he did in Night Court, I think - sort of country jokelish. Just thought it was neat. Also a very young pre-celebrity Christian Slater co-starred as the corpse's son.

That show is not as good as I remembered it, pretty awful actually. The casting is decent though.

Old Trek versus New Trek.
 
Can we talk about the USS Discovery looking like the Planet of the Titans model yet?

Also the tailer for the whole fucking show aping TMP?

What the fuck? I mean really, why? If you're gonna go with something totally different, why dick with us oldfag fans of the series?

Here, here is what I fucking mean:

Also that asteroid base looks a lot like the one from Enterprise where the Defiant launched out of.

Also get a better fucking score. RIP Goldsmith, you fucking monsterously awesome composer.
As much as I like the design, between this and Mouse Wars it became clear that if they're recycling old unused Ralph Mcquarrie designs it means it's time to bail on the franchise.
 
As much as I like the design, between this and Mouse Wars it became clear that if they're recycling old unused Ralph Mcquarrie designs it means it's time to bail on the franchise.

I'm just wondering why though? Like the show runners clearly want to appeal to a new audience, yet they use the old shit. Was it just a gimmick and I'm overthinking it? What the hell's going on?
 
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Brent Spiner in an episode of Tales from the Darkside, circa 1983 (s01e09). The characterization he used was like the one he did in Night Court, I think - sort of country jokelish. Just thought it was neat. Also a very young pre-celebrity Christian Slater co-starred as the corpse's son.

That show is not as good as I remembered it, pretty awful actually. The casting is decent though.

I found him nicely menacing in Outcast as well.
 
I'm just wondering why though? Like the show runners clearly want to appeal to a new audience, yet they use the old shit. Was it just a gimmick and I'm overthinking it? What the hell's going on?
I think it's just that they're both creatively bankrupt and trying to reuse existing assets they already have in reach, and in both cases that happened to mean Ralph McQuarrie because the dude got around.
 
As much as I like the design, between this and Mouse Wars it became clear that if they're recycling old unused Ralph Mcquarrie designs it means it's time to bail on the franchise.

It sounds like they don't have much in the way of ethics for not stealing intellectual property, like the tardigrades guy. After all, why pay for stuff when you can just steal it instead? Very woke.

I assume they have some actual right to use the McQuarrie material even though he's dead? Or am I being too optimistic about their level of honesty and they're just straight up plagiarizing his stuff?
 
It sounds like they don't have much in the way of ethics for not stealing intellectual property, like the tardigrades guy. After all, why pay for stuff when you can just steal it instead? Very woke.

I assume they have some actual right to use the McQuarrie material even though he's dead? Or am I being too optimistic about their level of honesty and they're just straight up plagiarizing his stuff?
I would assume that the material was property of the studio it was developed for, like that work for hire comic stuff or whatever.
 
I dunno if its significant or if I'm just drawing weird lines here, but for whatever reason Eaglemoss has been promising a model of the Planet of the Titans study for almost a year now and it still hasn't materialized. Maybe some designer got the idea from reading about nerds complaining about that shit or something?

Though as we've learned from Doug Drexler back on Enterprise; usually the designers of the show have about fuck all to do with the actual creative descisions and mostly just put the stuff together. Honestly I'd kill to see some Drexler-style communications with the modeling crew of Discovery because I bet they have some crazy stories of berserk executives yelling "ADD MORE SPIKES" or "MAKE IT BIGGER, ITS GOTTA BE BIGGER!"

Unfortunately I assume now there are contract clauses designed to prevent that kind of stuff these days. The weird legal situation between Paramount and CBS probably doesn't help.
 
I'm sure this was posted before in that thread but it's one of the best work from Robot Chicken.

What the fuck? I mean really, why? If you're gonna go with something totally different, why dick with us oldfag fans of the series?
Fake nostalgia and the whole "it was designed by McQuarrie" as if it would exempt them from any criticism. It's like on Disney Wars, they have no idea of what makes Star Wars "Star Wars" so they're using old artworks or rejected designs as a way to say "we're honoring the past" even though there's a reason why a concept art remains a concept and why a rejected design stays rejected: they don't fit with the final vision/product.
The Discovery doesn't fit into that timeline, the shapes are too sharp and simple, it's a pizza cutter and once you start looking inside, it gets worse, way worse (turbolifts on roller coaster, holograms, any room can become a holodeck, huge empty space between each deck, the space mushroom drive, etc.).
I've seen people (including RLM) try to defend the art style, saying that "no one will watch a show in 2019 made with cheesy sets and lighting like on The Original Series". My answer is always: "then why make a prequel set 5 years before TOS?".

Honestly I'd kill to see some Drexler-style communications with the modeling crew of Discovery
If I'm not mistaken, Trekyards got Pierre Drolet a couple of times on their channel to talk about his work on BSG/Caprica, Enterprise and STD but I doubt that he would talk about the actual behind-the-scenes stuff on STD. That said, I too would like to know what it's like to work for a science-fiction show where science and logic are totally ignored by the producers and showrunners. The people who are in charge of [current year] Trek think that a ship is like a Tardis, that you can put whatever you want in it because "science fiction is like magic". I bet they know that starships can't have elevators on a roller coaster but they don't care, they double-down (see the latest Short Trek where they showed the engine room of the Enteprise apparently from the "TOS" era).

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