Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

[WrenchWring]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

I mean, they've lied about everything in some way or another. Most liars fuck up over something simple.

Especially if they've been coached.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

Maybe they're not the ones lying, but Lemon and co. are? They just might be too stupid to notice.

 

[Gehenna]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

I could make a few conspiracies as to why, but the simplest answer really is the most likely. "They thought it'd sound good". Easy mistake to think, that saying you haven't been coached means people will think you are being more sincere. Its less easy of a mistake to then lie about that under oath, but when you have lied so much and for so long it becomes second nature to make 'small' lies on sheer habit.

This is why habitual liars tend to be caught out eventually. They almost inevitably make a lie that seems small to them, but which has greater weight than they thought.

 

[Allanon]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

Maybe part of their depo prep was to lie about their depo prep? Evidently Ron's depo prep was 'lie and say you know nothing'. It makes sense if you come at it from the perspective of 'we just want the deposition to smear Vic with, it doesn't matter how much you lie in your deposition, because this case is going to end with TCPA before they can try to use it against you'.

If things ended as they are now, we have Monica giving a tearfulless story of assault, and Ron claiming no memory of anything so that he couldn't be led into any follow up questions that would show he knew he was lying and did so maliciously, or that he was working with anyone, and they also are on record having done it 'sincerely' with no prep and with their own money, meanwhile Vic was actually truthful and so they take snippets from it out of context to try to ruin him with it. If nothing more came from this case and it was dropped tomorrow, no one would be punished for that perjury, and very little could be used from it to get anyone in Funimation that they were protecting.

 

[Gehenna]

Maybe part of their depo prep was to lie about their depo prep? Evidently Ron's depo prep was 'lie and say you know nothing'. It makes sense if you come at it from the perspective of 'we just want the deposition to smear Vic with, it doesn't matter how much you lie in your deposition, because this case is going to end with TCPA before they can try to use it against you'.

If things ended as they are now, we have Monica giving a tearfulless story of assault, and Ron claiming no memory of anything so that he couldn't be led into any follow up questions that would show he knew he was lying and did so maliciously, or that he was working with anyone, and they also are on record having done it 'sincerely' with no prep and with their own money, meanwhile Vic was actually truthful and so they take snippets from it out of context to try to ruin him with it. If nothing more came from this case and it was dropped tomorrow, no one would be punished for that perjury, and very little could be used from it to get anyone in Funimation that they were protecting.

No lawyer on Earth, not even Mr. Lemon, would be stupid enough to coach someone to lie under oath.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

No lawyer on Earth, not even Mr. Lemon, would be stupid enough to coach someone to lie under oath.

But Monica and Ron might claim he did to dodge responsibility for that bill.

 

[Gehenna]

But Monica and Ron might claim he did to dodge responsibility for that bill.

Without a single doubt, yes. I just disagree any lawyer would be stupid enough to encourage their client to commit a felony... and thus commit a felony themselves. There is "I am a complete wreck of as human being more mosquito than man" then there is "I am so stupid I am going to commit a felony to commit another felony". If they were that stupid, they'd be in prison already.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Without a single doubt, yes. I just disagree any lawyer would be stupid enough to encourage their client to commit a felony... and thus commit a felony themselves. There is "I am a complete wreck of as human being more mosquito than man" then there is "I am so stupid I am going to commit a felony to commit another felony". If they were that stupid, they'd be in prison already.

These fuckers were dumb enough to actually redact their fucking billing.

 

[fat ugly sped]

Well, Chupp basically backdoored Aids into admitting to being an unethical lawyer with that "You would charge 280K to your clients if awarded $0" question. It was a loaded question of the russian roulette nature--with 6 slugs in the chambers. Indirectly, Aids admitted he is going to charge his clients for some bankruptcy payment plan for a NY case on a Texas TCPA filing.

I doubt any ethics violations will come of it, but it torpedoed Aid's credibility of filing and will force Chupp to actually look over his bill. Chupp would look like a fucking moron for granting shekels for Erick looking over a NY case.

He'd bill $280k, which his clients would be unable to pay, and then later settle the bill in arrears for a lesser amount. The follow-up question I wish the judge asked is "do you believe your clients would be able to pay the full $280k billed?".

 

[Gehenna]

These fuckers were dumb enough to actually redact their fucking billing.

That wasn't being dumb though, that was deliberate to obfuscate where the expenses were and likely expecting chupp to just rubberstamp it.

It was calculated, not illegal, and by all likelihood should have worked based off of what everyone had thought they knew of Judge Chupp.

 

[AnOminous]

What I don't understand is why MoRon would lie about being prepped for deposition. You're expected to prep for deposition, why would they commit perjury to hide it? Were they prepped by Funimation's lawyers, and are hiding it because that's evidence of both agent status and civil conspiracy?

The question isn't really whether perjury was committed but who committed it. Frankly, Ron's deposition performance was so horrifyingly bad that his testimony he wasn't prepped for it was completely plausible at the time. So maybe it was Casey and Lemon who committed perjury by billing for shit that never happened, thinking Chupp was a moron they could just use to rob Vic blind with fraudulent bills.

 

[Baked_Potato]

No. If he didn't have jurisdiction and the appeals court did, the appeal notice was timely filed. If he retains jurisdiction until after the sanctions are decided upon, then the appeal notice is perfected after the sanctions are decided upon.

That being said, I've been informed that Chupp has "requested" unredacted billing from all defense attorneys involved, with the first calls going to Lemoine, Perez, and Casey (and these requests were in the form of an order). There may also be a surprise hearing early next week that Perez and Casey are demanded to attend.

What are the odds we'll get to see the unredacted bills? Will they be behind privilege? Not knowing what was underneath all of those little black boxes has been like an itch I can't scratch.

 

[Crabbo]

I can easily imagine them lying about being coaching for the same reason that kickvic obsessed over vic receiving coaching.
The idea that they received no coaching means (in their eyes at least) that their words are pure and unfiltered. Genuine.
Coaching means they are false.

 

[Allanon]

No lawyer on Earth, not even Mr. Lemon, would be stupid enough to coach someone to lie under oath.

Suggesting that Casey didn't coach Ron to say 'I don't recall' to everything seems unlikely, and that's a lie itself. I'm unconvinced the discrepancy didn't come from something the lawyers said, no matter how stupid that is of them to do.

 

[Urbanmech]

Without a single doubt, yes. I just disagree any lawyer would be stupid enough to encourage their client to commit a felony... and thus commit a felony themselves. There is "I am a complete wreck of as human being more mosquito than man" then there is "I am so stupid I am going to commit a felony to commit another felony". If they were that stupid, they'd be in prison already.

well there was that shock jock trial in Florida that got 3 lawyers permanently disbarred when they had their paralegal set up opposing counsel with a DUI. The lawyers (a few in that case) had long careers before going stupid so sometimes the stupid just takes time.

 

[teriyakiburns]

What are the odds we'll get to see the unredacted bills? Will they be behind privilege? Not knowing what was underneath all of those little black boxes has been like an itch I can't scratch.

If they go to the judge, they're on the record. The only way they could be hidden is if they're sealed in some way, or if a motion to... someone explained it earlier here or in trhe weeb wars general, but there's a procedure that has to be followed to hide that information from the public record, which the judge can deny if he wants. Regardless, it has to be placed in the record in order to be hidden from view.

 

[Gehenna]

Suggesting that Casey didn't coach Ron to say 'I don't recall' to everything seems unlikely, and that's a lie itself. I'm unconvinced the discrepancy didn't come from something the lawyers said, no matter how stupid that is of them to do.

The difference, "I don't recall" is... plausibly deniable. We of course see it as absolute horseshit, and it is, but there is no way ti DISPROVE it. This would be coaching to lie about something eminently disprovable.

 

[AnOminous]

Without a single doubt, yes. I just disagree any lawyer would be stupid enough to encourage their client to commit a felony... and thus commit a felony themselves.

You are super optimistic. There's one lawyer currently serving life who got away with utterly over the top felonies, bribes, witness intimidation, obstruction of justice and other crimes for years, and only got stopped when he started personally having witnesses murdered.

 

[Allanon]

The difference, "I don't recall" is... plausibly deniable. We of course see it as absolute horseshit, and it is, but there is no way ti DISPROVE it. This would be coaching to lie about something eminently disprovable.

Well, maybe I'm wrong, but isn't there only 3 answers?

1 - They prepped for deposition, Ron and Monica both lied in deposition independent of their counsel and their lawyers did nothing to prevent this or alert the court of it, then perpetuated this lie by redacting the billing to hide it

2 - They didn't prep for depostion, but then the lawyers tried to bill it under redaction to scam the court, while testifying under oath that they did

3 - They prepped for deposition and part of that prep was telling Ron and Monica to claim they didn't, then tried to hide billing for it.

Is there really even a 'better' result out of these three? Regardless of the choice, they're attempting to fraud the court, right? Potentially enabling perjury or committing it themselves even if they didn't suborn it