Plagued Weeaboos and other Japan spergs

Westerns were huge, but they weren't the only thing around back in the day. You had other films. Nowadays it's all superhero films and reboots and that's why Scorsese and Coppola are justifiably pissed.

In Japan, it needs to be mentioned, the really high-grossing anime films are the ones based off popular TV shows - some of which are familiar here like Dragon Ball, but many of which are little kids' shows like Doraemon and Anpanman. Live-action adaptations are often of classic, well-known mangas and animes, and they're nearly always awful.

The sort of shit weebs like is not mainstream in Japan and it will never be mainstream here.

Dragon Ball is one of the few Japanese cartoon shows which had real popularity among people I knew and was actually somewhat big in the 2000s where I live, along with Pokemon, so that makes sense. I still see people playing Pokemon sometimes, and it's easily the biggest anime art-related thing out there at this point. I'm not sure what you mean by "the sort of shit weebs like" since I was under the impression Pokemon is absolutely huge among that crowd (Chris included), but if you're talking about the skeevy stuff with high school girls in compromising situations then there are very good reasons that's not mainstream in any country on Earth and a rare case of the mainstream exercising good taste. As I said before, I'm personally glad that the medium isn't mainstream since the fans are pretty awful, but others disagree.

True, a comparison of superheroes to Westerns is more apt in terms of film. Anime itself was never mainstream among normies, but superheroes weren't mainstream before the MCU at the most recent and the 2000 X-Men movie at the earliest. Your average normie may have heard of Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man before the superhero fad, but they'd likely dismiss it as geek shit like they do with most non-mainstream things.

(Although the recent Joker movie is a capeshit film in name only, but I digress)

Furries were sank because they were always about sexual depravity, and I think they wouldn't be as hated if they just went and presented themselves as a fetish community rather than a fandom, but that's neither here nor there.

But when it comes to fandom and other "nerd" stuff, I think capeshit is going to trade places with anime in the 2020's. The superhero trend is a fad and is being propped up mainly by Warner Brothers and Disney, which is why it was able to cross over into normie territory more easily.

See, the superhero craze is propped up entirely by the films of the major studios and given how expensive a single MCU flick is, all it takes is one box office bomb to potentially sink the fad. When the fad dies, I think superhero stuff will be looked at with shame among geek and nerd types the way that anime is today, especially Marvel.

Anime used to be really popular in the fandom sense of the word back in the 90's and early 2000's, and it had sort of a cult classic allure to it despite not being a hit with the mainstream crowd. Then the anime fad ended and superheroes became the big fad, but it's all propped up by the movies and everything else is sinking.

If the MCU movies weren't high-grossing blockbusters, it would have died earlier. As it is, we're due for an MCU flop in the near future. Endgame was the payoff that everyone was waiting for and now they've run out of quality material while capeshit (Marvel in particular) is becoming increasingly associated with SJW's and whiny bugmen, as is "weeb shaming"

I think the superhero boom will likely be replaced by another anime boom or something else in the mid-2020's, maybe earlier if a Phase 4 MCU film bombs right out of the gate. Joker grossed a billion dollars, but again, Joker is capeshit in name only. It's Taxi Driver disguised as a superhero film and was only tied to DC comics as a way to secure funding.

I don't think that the anime boom will be the flashy billion-dollar mainstream stuff that the capeshit fad brought us, but I'm not talking about the mainstream. I'm not sure what will replace capeshit in the mainstream circles once the fad dies.

I never said anime will be full normie mainstream, I just think anime won't be so despised by the geek and nerd circles like it is now, and that superheroes will be looked down on once the fad dies.

The MCU made superheroes truly mainstream, though it's worth noting that Tim Burton's Batman was huge in 1989, so the potential for superhero blockbusters was already there. It just didn't turn into a real trend until the MCU picked up on it. Also saying "the MCU would have flopped if it didn't make loads of money" is just stating the obvious. We know these films are made for profit and will stop if they become unprofitable, but we don't know if that will happen soon.
 
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The MCU made superheroes truly mainstream, though it's worth noting that Tim Burton's Batman was huge in 1989, so the potential for superhero blockbusters was already there. It just didn't turn into a real trend until the MCU picked up on it.

True, but I think the mainstream superhero trend that was created by the MCU will die with the MCU as well.

Tim Burton's Batman and the original X-Men movie from 2000 were both awesome, especially for the time but both were followed by low quality sequels later on.

Batman & Robin in particular was so despised of a flop that Blade marketed itself as a Gothic vampire movie and went above and beyond to intentionally downplay its origins as a Marvel comic book to avoid the stigma of being seen as a "superhero" movie.

After the original X-Men's success, we saw an early superhero fad in the 2000's that gave us the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films and the Dark Knight Trilogy, but it was a lot more subdued and nowhere near as mainstream and obnoxiously ubiquitous compared to the MCU fad of today.
 
True, but I think the mainstream superhero trend that was created by the MCU will die with the MCU as well.

Tim Burton's Batman and the original X-Men movie from 2000 were both awesome, especially for the time but both were followed by low quality sequels later on.

Batman & Robin in particular was so despised of a flop that Blade marketed itself as a Gothic vampire movie and went above and beyond to intentionally downplay its origins as a Marvel comic book to avoid the stigma of being seen as a "superhero" movie.

After the original X-Men's success, we saw an early superhero fad in the 2000's that gave us the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films and the Dark Knight Trilogy, but it was a lot more subdued and nowhere near as mainstream and obnoxiously ubiquitous compared to the MCU fad of today.

The difference is that I can't really imagine the MCU releasing something as comically awful as Batman and Robin. Given their films are largely written to a formula, I would expect the end of the trend to just be if people get bored of it. After this superhero films would be seen as an outdated trend, but not something innately laughable; bear in mind that most MCU films have very positive reviews, and those won't go away if the genre falls from grace like Westerns or musical films (which were also huge in the 1950s-1960s and now very unusual) did.
 
Dragon Ball is one of the few Japanese cartoon shows which had real popularity among people I knew and was actually somewhat big in the 2000s where I live, along with Pokemon, so that makes sense. I still see people playing Pokemon sometimes, and it's easily the biggest anime art-related thing out there at this point. I'm not sure what you mean by "the sort of shit weebs like" since I was under the impression Pokemon is absolutely huge among that crowd (Chris included), but if you're talking about the skeevy stuff with high school girls in compromising situations then there are very good reasons that's not mainstream in any country on Earth and a rare case of the mainstream exercising good taste. As I said before, I'm personally glad that the medium isn't mainstream since the fans are pretty awful, but others disagree.

I did mean the skeevy stuff, but I don't think most of what Japan is pumping out now will ever be mainstream.
 
The difference is that I can't really imagine the MCU releasing something as comically awful as Batman and Robin. Given their films are largely written to a formula, I would expect the end of the trend to just be if people get bored of it. After this superhero films would be seen as an outdated trend, but not something innately laughable; bear in mind that most MCU films have very positive reviews, and those won't go away if the genre falls from grace like Westerns or musical films (which were also huge in the 1950s-1960s and now very unusual) did.

Eh, I think if an MCU film flops at all, that's proof that the fad is dead precisely because the movies are written to follow a formula so they can avoid a "Batman & Robin" situation and now that the new phase isn't building towards any real big event, people are less likely to keep tuning in and more likely to get bored and possibly give the later movies a negative reception. The MCU films are extremely expensive and they have to gross high to keep going. It's very much a high risk/high reward sort of deal.

It doesn't help that the rights to the X-Men characters are still sort of tied up even after Disney bought out Fox and will be tied up for at least a few years. They've lost the rights to Spider-Man once more, and Captain Marvel is out precisely because she's so unlikable and woke that even Disney knows it and they needed to have Spidey carry her.

Also, the stuff that has been announced so far are a Black Widow prequel and a mix of "Literally who?" characters that are obscure even for Marvel spergs along with the widely detested woke versions of Marvel characters from the newer comics.

Bringing this back on topic, I don't think we'll see a mainstream anime fad, but I do think we are heading for another anime boom on the fandom side of things.

I did mean the skeevy stuff, but I don't think most of what Japan is pumping out now will ever be mainstream.

Agreed. The only way you can have a full-fledged mainstream anime fad is if Hollywood somehow defies the odds and does a live-action anime adaptation that doesn't suck, and it's got to be an adaptation of a popular work from the old late 90's/early 2000's anime boom like Sailor Moon, DBZ, or maybe some of the Adult Swim/Toonami era stuff like Gundam Wing or InuYasha.

Maybe if they went for one of the "classics" like AKIRA, Vampire Hunter D, or a good Ghost in the Shell adaptation, it could actually work.
 
I did mean the skeevy stuff, but I don't think most of what Japan is pumping out now will ever be mainstream.

I'm assuming that's because it's catering to obese virgin neckbeards who spend their tard bucks on it, not a general audience.

Amusingly, the unemployment rate in Japan is only 2.4%, so the otaku are few and far between.

Eh, I think if an MCU film flops at all, that's proof that the fad is dead precisely because the movies are written to follow a formula so they can avoid a "Batman & Robin" situation and now that the new phase isn't building towards any real big event, people are less likely to keep tuning in and more likely to get bored and possibly give the later movies a negative reception. The MCU films are extremely expensive and they have to gross high to keep going. It's very much a high risk/high reward sort of deal.

It doesn't help that the rights to the X-Men characters are still sort of tied up even after Disney bought out Fox and will be tied up for at least a few years. They've lost the rights to Spider-Man once more, and Captain Marvel is out precisely because she's so unlikable and woke that even Disney knows it and they needed to have Spidey carry her.

Also, the stuff that has been announced so far are a Black Widow prequel and a mix of "Literally who?" characters that are obscure even for Marvel spergs along with the widely detested woke versions of Marvel characters from the newer comics.

Bringing this back on topic, I don't think we'll see a mainstream anime fad, but I do think we are heading for another anime boom on the fandom side of things.

Agreed. The only way you can have a full-fledged mainstream anime fad is if Hollywood somehow defies the odds and does a live-action anime adaptation that doesn't suck, and it's got to be an adaptation of a popular work from the old late 90's/early 2000's anime boom like Sailor Moon, DBZ, or maybe some of the Adult Swim/Toonami era stuff like Gundam Wing or InuYasha.

Maybe if they went for one of the "classics" like AKIRA, Vampire Hunter D, or a good Ghost in the Shell adaptation, it could actually work.

Interesting that you mentioned GITS there; I remember overhearing some people talking about the recent adaptation of that and they weren't that keen on it. Hollywood has tried to make a live action anime adaptation and it didn't really work. You could say it would be more successful after the Marvel craze is over but I doubt it. You also seem to be acknowledging that older cartoons are more viable for popularity, which makes the idea of a 2020s anime boom a bit questionable.
 
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I could be one
most deviantartists are; especially YGO fanartists.
Two of them:
els-e.deviantart.com ( Loves Jam Project, knows some Japanese and owns a Shiba Inu)
Chiineartist.deviantart.com (Entered a comic contest so she could go to Japan)
 
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Furries aren't at all relevant to this, they're a tiny subculture and are hated because of their associations with sexual depravity.
A huge element to this probably has to do with the furry and anime fandoms in the USA being started by literally the same group of people



Several of the founding members of the furry fandom are or were also C/FO members, notably Mark Merlino and Fred Patten, two of C/FO's own founders. The club's mascot Fanta is a furry character, specifically one of the first three Skiltaire created in the late 1970s by Merlino. Southern California furry fandom began in the Los Angeles chapter of C/FO in the early 1980s, as several of the members were more interested in what would later be called "furry" than the fantasy giant robots that dominated anime at the time. These proto-furries would hold impromptu furmeets in the anteroom, swapping info on critters/comics/artists while the proto-otaku watched away in the screening room.
Imagine the smell.
 
A huge element to this probably has to do with the furry and anime fandoms in the USA being started by literally the same group of people




Imagine the smell.

This was a point, I should mention, when "furry fandom" could plausibly refer to people who liked media involving anthropomorphic animals and not people who get turned on by them. Fred Patten was the former sort of person. The fursuits and shit came later, in the 90s.
 
This was a point, I should mention, when "furry fandom" could plausibly refer to people who liked media involving anthropomorphic animals and not people who get turned on by them. Fred Patten was the former sort of person. The fursuits and shit came later, in the 90s.

ConFurEnce 1997 was apparently the point where things really went crazy, with guys jacking off in the lift and performing sex acts in public. They were always extremely creepy though.
 
ConFurEnce 1997 was apparently the point where things really went crazy, with guys jacking off in the lift and performing sex acts in public. They were always extremely creepy though.

True, but as I recall, there was a split within the very same "Animation & Science Fiction" organization because the furries were managing to creep out the weebs and the furries themselves had a big internal divide in the 80's over "liking funny animal cartoons" vs. "anthro porn and sex fetishism".

Based on what I have read and seen, Fred Patten was mainly just a cartoon sperg, but otherwise was fairly harmless and mundane. If he did have weird sexual inclinations, he mostly kept it behind closed doors as far as I can tell.

Mark Merlino was the guy who's largely responsible for the furry fandom as we know it today, particularly the sexual stuff as he was also part of the gay fetish community out in California around the same time and went above and beyond to try and foster a crossover of the two groups. That also goes a long way to explain why so many furries are gay, and were even back then. The whole "jailhouse gay" origin story is just an old Web 1.0 meme from the late 90's and early 2000's.
 
True, but as I recall, there was a split within the very same "Animation & Science Fiction" organization because the furries were managing to creep out the weebs and the furries themselves had a big internal divide in the 80's over "liking funny animal cartoons" vs. "anthro porn and sex fetishism".

Based on what I have read and seen, Fred Patten was mainly just a cartoon sperg, but otherwise was fairly harmless and mundane. If he did have weird sexual inclinations, he mostly kept it behind closed doors as far as I can tell.

Mark Merlino was the guy who's largely responsible for the furry fandom as we know it today, particularly the sexual stuff as he was also part of the gay fetish community out in California around the same time and went above and beyond to try and foster a crossover of the two groups. That also goes a long way to explain why so many furries are gay, and were even back then. The whole "jailhouse gay" origin story is just an old Web 1.0 meme from the late 90's and early 2000's.

I think it's a mix. Merlino tried to get a load of gay men into furry, but if some sperg gets into a subculture full of gay men it's easy to imagine him turning gay to finally stop being a virgin with rage. Bear in mind that most furries today weren't involved or even alive back then.
 
The difference is that I can't really imagine the MCU releasing something as comically awful as Batman and Robin. Given their films are largely written to a formula, I would expect the end of the trend to just be if people get bored of it. After this superhero films would be seen as an outdated trend, but not something innately laughable; bear in mind that most MCU films have very positive reviews, and those won't go away if the genre falls from grace like Westerns or musical films (which were also huge in the 1950s-1960s and now very unusual) did.
It's going to be like Bayformers I think.
 
I mean they'll eventually fade out of the mainstream as interest wanes.

There won't be a bomb that utterly destroys the genre I think.

Probably. It definitely won't be replaced by a massive resurgence of anime though. That's just delusional given how the attempt to adapt GITS went.
 
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