Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[king of pickles]

That Adam dude fits splendidly to the other hypogonadal SJW bugmen. You can bet he used to be a regular in his school's lockers and toilet bowls.

 

[xyz741]

Just to burn down these:
-Temper tantrum: ok, can we get more details? What was the panel? How did a temper tantrum shut it down? Is this that "where's my shit?" thing? Because going back to my earlier point about GR staff, if Vic (or any guest) is complaining about stuff not being there for his panel, that's kind of your job buddy. Sorry if doing your job properly was harshing on your convention mellow out buzz.
-DragonCon: Personal opinion, this is being overdramatized. Did he make "bad" comments to kids? Yeah. Did the kid know what he was talking about? Probably not.
-AMA: So, we're saying a guest bitched at staff for not having the critical items at an autograph signing? (I'm not sure where else someone would go ballistic over not having a sharpie) If so, again this is their JOB. You know what happens when there's no sharpie there? The whole line sits and waits for the guest to get something to sign with. In a worst case, a few people miss out on an autograph because the session that was supposed to run 60 minutes now runs 55.
-Barely legal kiss: The "forced" part is bad (if true), but the "barely legal" part is irrelevant. This would be like "Vic gave liquor to my 'barely legal' 21 year old friend". WHO CARES?
-AWA, 13 year old girls: Context? But just to note, 90% of the time (for anyone, not in reference to Vic specifically) this was harmless fan pandering (I could detail ridiculous things teen girls asked of me, or in a few cases did without my consent and I'm not even a "celebrity" in any way. teen fujoshi can be scary as shit, totally serious)

But to re-iterate a point I made a long time ago, if KV people really truly care about the safety of other people, then anyone not directly involved in this case should have ALREADY moved on and be working on other things. Because the number of people that go to conventions looking for a hook-up is pretty frightening. And if Vic "flirting with" girls, even as young as 13 (just flirting mind you) is cause some kind of cause for shock and disgust, then your con staff has ZERO idea what is going on all over the event. I mean, do these people have any idea how many perverts are building a spank bank off of cosplayers? Hell, just go to cosplay vlogs on youtube and see what the thumbnail is and what's featured prominently in the video.

 

[Aria]

How brave of Adam to tell everyone of the time he let a bunch of girls get assaulted but stood there like a pussy and did nothing.

#stunning and brave

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

On the note of wild shit that goes down at cons, there was a dude at a local event trying to sneak creepy shots of chicks and going up skirts and such.

Wanna know what happened?

The cops got called and the guy was questioned and then arrested because he was actually committing a crime. They looked through the dude's camera and phone and found the incriminating shots. Someone alerted the convention and the convention called the cops and then it was over with.

It's easy to report a crime if it happens, and at the very least have record of an incident occurring for this exact reason. Imagine if the conventions were held liable for an actual assault happening and someone decided to sue the con. They'd be screaming left and right that there was no proof and nobody filed an incident report or called the cops.

But these same idiots scream about Vic still.

 

[Aria]

On the note of wild shit that goes down at cons, there was a dude at a local event trying to sneak creepy shots of chicks and going up skirts and such.

Wanna know what happened?

The cops got called and the guy was questioned and then arrested because he was actually committing a crime. They looked through the dude's camera and phone and found the incriminating shots. Someone alerted the convention and the convention called the cops and then it was over with.

It's easy to report a crime if it happens, and at the very least have record of an incident occurring for this exact reason. Imagine if the conventions were held liable for an actual assault happening and someone decided to sue the con. They'd be screaming left and right that there was no proof and nobody filed an incident report or called the cops.

But these same idiots scream about Vic still.

Like i said before if vic was doing all these creepy shit for 20 then there's bound to be some proof of his behaviour.

If all these con owners knew that vic was a sex pest but did nothing that will make liable for an assault.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Like i said before if vic was doing all these creepy shit for 20 then there's bound to be some proof of his behaviour.

If all these con owners knew that vic was a sex pest but did nothing that will make liable for an assault.

If someone sued any one of the cons that gave statements about Vic on behalf of guest behavior they'd backpedal so fast.

 

[xyz741]

It's easy to report a crime if it happens, and at the very least have record of an incident occurring for this exact reason. Imagine if the conventions were held liable for an actual assault happening and someone decided to sue the con. They'd be screaming left and right that there was no proof and nobody filed an incident report or called the cops.

But these same idiots scream about Vic still.

This is how you know that most of these idiots that claim to be "staff" are just random volunteers that think they had some authority. If these people were organizers of the event they would have acted if only out of fear of the liability you're talking about. I've had to deal with allegations twice in my convention experience that I can recall (neither was guest related), in both cases they were handled somewhat discreetly, but immediately. I never had to deal with this in relation to guests in part because if I was ever a guest handler I did my job and kept an eye on the guest. It's not that complicated, your job is to keep the guest out of trouble. If you're not keeping an eye on the guest, what if they have a stalker, or get mobbed in the hallway or any of the dozen non-sexual problems they can have or get into just walking around the con.

If you're the idiot that thinks guest relations is the job for having fun and rubbing elbows with celebrities and trying to network over drinks, then GTFO, because you're not someone who will do the actual job required.

 

[Aria]

If someone sued any one of the cons that gave statements about Vic on behalf of guest behavior they'd backpedal so fast.

Either vic is innocent of all the allegations and all they have against him are rumors,or the allegations are true and all the con owners that invited vic to their con did nothing to stop him and let him continue his assaults.

 

[ShinyStar]

Women, particularly young women, don't always know beforehand whether they want something. If they've never had someone kiss them on the cheek before, they don't have a wealth of life experience telling them whether or not to avoid such a kiss. On the sliding scale of 'I actually liked it' to 'It's something I'd tolerate because objecting to it is literally more effort than it's worth' to 'I don't ever want that to happen again,' we may have a general idea of where our reaction will fall, but until we've had some opportunity to experiment in the realm of flirtation and quasi-sexual behavior*, we simply don't have the information to accurately form our opinions on the matter.

The only way to prevent a woman from having to go through the awkward, often uncomfortable process of learning where her boundaries are is to prevent her from engaging in that behavior at all until she's made a decision, formalized by a court document, that she's prepared to fully engage with a particular person. We need to go full on religious fundamentalist separation of the sexes, and the harsh truth is that even that isn't going to produce women who are comfortable with their sexuality. It would also be infantilizing and oppressive. Thank God that we have venues in which adolescent girls can engage in mild and safe experimentation with things like hugs and pecks on the cheek out in public where the chance for any serious offenses is severely curtailed by the presence of masses of other people. It gives them the information they need about themselves and their own preferences that they can use to make good decisions in those situations where they don't have those same protections.

All these people out there who are arguing against being able to flirt in public - even with strangers - are doing a huge disservice to the people they claim they're speaking for. Your friend was made mildly uncomfortable once? GOOD! She learned something she can use to make her life better going forward. That's how learning works.

*(Hugs and kisses on the cheek are not sexual behavior. They don't involve erogenous zones. They don't require much by the way of intimacy. They are casual. Anyone who thinks that they count as sexual behavior doesn't understand human interaction.)

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Some things I'm getting while listening in on the Toy Bounty Hunter's stream:

After @EriMin discovered she was in a legal document and was subsequently blocked from contacting anyone involved in AWA she went scorched earth on her own social media, deleting everyone from the con scene, save one person whom Faisel has also screwed over and who also doesn't like Faisel. We only have one side of this, but Faisel seems like a shitty con owner.

Funimation's booth at AWA is about "8 times" larger than the others.

Faisel doesn't like Vic, and Erica thinks it's as petty Vic being Stan's guest.

I'm wondering if Faisal used his personal animus against Vic as a power play to consolidate more control over AWA and other conventions.
Just like when Stan Dahlin resigned and Faisal and his faction purged handlers from "the old regime."
There's a lot convention behind the scenes politics that are at play and I'm sure there are other "Faisals" who are using Weeb Wars to gain clout and gain a foothold into management.

 

[HighwayStar]

Cross-post time from the Funimation lawsuit thread. Apparently, Lemoine has filed a post-hearing brief regarding the sanctions and attorney fees today. Shane posted this on his Twitter page, because why not?

EDIT: On a side note, he’s a wonderful gem from the shoe sucker himself yesterday.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

IF Vic was such the big predator that people say he is. The cons, the handlers and other Vas should be held accountable not doing their job to provide safety to those attending the Con. You can't just stay silent and praise a "predator" for decades just to dogpile and act self-righteous when all they done was let more people get violated. Anyone who lets "predators" continue then you're no better if not worse than the predator. We have yet saw any evidence of vic being a pedo or rapist but every week we see kickvic getting expose as wife beaters and pedophiles themselves.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Why didn't your friend stop him from hitting on a 13 year old girl they were there when it happened?

Except, haven't we seen this video? Vic was in a Kirk costume judging a cosplay event or something and made some Dad joke playing up to the meme that Kirk sleeps with every attractive woman he meets.

 

[FrigginWeeb]

If someone knows how to mass download photos from photo bucket I have access to photos from all of the events listed

NekoCon XI by Adam Zalonis

View the full album on Photobucket.

smg.photobucket.com

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Shane posted this on his Twitter page. It’s about Monica and Ron’s post-hearing brief and fees.

Twitter

EDIT: On a side note, he’s a wonderful gem from the shoe sucker himself yesterday.
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First, format properly with screenshot and archive you fuck.
Second, are they really trying to argue that they should be allowed their billing because they did unnecessary work, like the discovery (that they didn't even fully comply with) and the depositions (that they didn't even have to do)?

 

[FadeIntoObsurity]

Except, haven't we seen this video? Vic was in a Kirk costume judging a cosplay event or something and made some Dad joke playing up to the meme that Kirk sleeps with every attractive woman he meets.

That was the Dragon Con masquerade. This AWA claim is probably from a staffer who disliked Vic. In her interview yesterday @EriMin had a text asking Faisel if Vic was banned from the con in 2013. A staffer pretty high up was spreading this around. I wouldn't be surprised if their reasoning was because Vic was flirting with underage girls. But Vic had not been banned and this was confirmed by Faisel's own text.

On the subject of flirting, it just seems like Vic's kindness is misunderstood by a lot of people. Sometimes there is this fine line between friendliness and flirting. As an example, there was that one girl that was feeling creeper vibes from Vic just because he said he was looking forward to seeing her at a con then used a smiley face. I think it is just misinterpretation. He is happy to see each and every fan, but people seem to take those feelings too personally. Girls are probably always saying weird things to him and he just plays along because he's TOO nice and doesn't want to shoot down someone and ruin their good time. Having a person just acknowledge your existence can be considered as flirting to some. I think these people just don't understand that there is nothing wrong with flirting in of itself. It's just if the flirtatious interaction gets too sexual you're going beyond borders. But I haven't heard Vic say anything sexually explicit to anyone.

 

[Much Ado About Nothing]

Found a new Vic story
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http://archive.li/42yGk

So we're still at.
"It all happened with a friend, true story"
"He kissed my adult friend on the cheek!"
Claims things are available youtube, does not link shit. Cause that's the kinda evidence KV can provide.
He also got yelled at, and that is evidence of him raping folks. It could also be evidence of him doing a shit job, and things being stressfull which is far much more likely the case.
"Staffer I know ..." Is that staffer manjaw? Is this staffer a friend of a friend, cousin of your cousin's bff that saw that guy...

I am unimpressed.

 

[Mister Y]

Well, this new filling tells us that Chupp didn't give Lemoine all the money he wanted...
Given its content, Chupp obviously gave him the same amount that Sam Johnson asked for.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Lemoine is really setting himself up for Monica and Ron to pay his bills. Good job.

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Well, this new filling tells us that Chupp didn't give Lemoine all the money he wanted...
Given its content, Chupp obviously gave him the same amount that Sam Johnson asked for.

Haven't heard or seen anything to confirm that, but it certainly seems like Lemoine is stressed over how much he thinks he's getting.