War Trump says U.S. will designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists - Time for Mexico to get liberated

Trump says U.S. to designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists

U.S. President Donald Trump said he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terro...

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview aired on Tuesday that he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists over their role in drug and human trafficking.

“They will be designated ... I have been working on that for the last 90 days. You know, designation is not that easy, you have to go through a process, and we are well into that process,” Trump said in an interview with conservative media personality Bill O’Reilly that aired on Tuesday.

Once a group is designated as a terrorist organization, under U.S. law it is illegal for people in the United States to knowingly offer support and its members cannot enter the country and may be deported. Financial institutions that become aware they have funds connected to the group must block the money and alert the U.S. Treasury Department.

Mexico’s government did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Mexico’s foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, said on Monday he did not expect the United States to make such a move.

Earlier this month, Trump, in a tweet, offered to help Mexico “wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth.”

The proposal came after nine Americans were killed in an ambush in northern Mexico.

Mexican authorities said they may have been victims of mistaken identity amid confrontations among drug gangs in the area.

But the LeBaron extended family, members of a breakaway Mormon community that settled in northern Mexico decades ago, has often been in conflict with drug traffickers in Chihuahua and victims’ relatives said the killers must have known who they were targeting.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

build the wall out of the bones of cartels

 

[Furina]

Yeah, no. Foot soldiers of all kinds of criminal enterprise are not the brightests people to begin with. The reason why other forms of organized crime are more "peaceful" has more to do with the fact that they base their operations in countries where the rule of law is actually so strong that their operations would cease quite fast if they acted like the mexican cartels.

You're definitely right about foot soldiers being on the dumber side, but I think it's also that coming from a better society means they have to maintain a higher standard of respectability. So a Mafioso can't get full face tattoos because it would make him an outsider in the society he has to live in. Those standards don't seem to apply to Mexicans.

 

[pwnest injun]

I wonder if they're going to find any "cartel activity" in those brand new harbors China built in Mexico...
Only one way to find out, lol!

 

[Pixy]

Patrick. Patrick.
Both of those solutions are just taking Bikini Bottom and pushing it somewhere else.
Honestly man, you need to think big. Don't worry about cracking open a few eggs, we're making an omelet.

The mother of all omelettes, as some would say.

You'd think that the UN would comment on the situation of the cartels in Mexico, perhaps likening it to a humanitarian crisis (it's not that bad yet), but there's nothing coming out of them as far as the general public is aware of.

 

[The Great Chandler]

But wait...if the cartels are dealt with Mexico will become more stable, if Mexico becomes more stable less people will flee it, if less people flee Mexico to the US who will mow my damn lawn?

You racist puto! Don't dare suggest that!

 

[AnOminous]

Objectively, I don't see anything wrong with this. Those drug cartels are trigger-happy, psychopathic organizations that will stop at nothing to smuggle drugs in and out of the country just to increase their bottom line. Literally some Central American cities are run by corrupt, drug kingpins that terrorize innocents.

Ordinarily, this would be mere organized crime, but the way the cartels behave probably falls under the fairly broad definitions the federal government uses.

Federal regulations define "terrorism" as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives[.]" 28 C.F.R. § 0.85.

The cartels don't just commit crimes and try to get rid of them, they also knock off politicians who oppose them and try to influence and corrupt politicians into actively supporting them.

And the United Nations Security Council under international law has defined "terrorism" in Resolution 1566 as "criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages, with the purpose to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, intimidate a population or compel a Government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act."

I'm not generally a fan of Trump's legal pronouncements but this looks legitimate to me, both under federal and international law.

 

[Male Idiot]

Yep, the power they got over the beaner goverment justifies this, me thinks.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

This is meaningless posturing. The Middle East loves its terrorists, the Mexicans love their drug lords. Commit to shock and awe (complete with telling the rest of the world, who doesn't like the U.S. anyway, to fuck off) in order to scare them off, or don't even bother addressing it.

As much as something meaningful needs to be done about the stranglehold Mexican drug cartels have on the country, I can't help wondering how much of a difference Trump's declaration will make in terms of the big picture, especially since the overall "war on drugs" is a little more than a no-win situation at best.

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Tbh I've always thought that the best way to deal with cartels would be by using mercenaries against them.

• They're willing to be just as violent as the cartels
• The shit they do doesn't really reflect back to their employer politically
• They're willing to engage in the same kind of dirty political back door deals cartels are, so it gives them more avenues to do lasting harm to the cartels
• They like to hire locally, so home field advantage doesn't really apply against them in many cases
• Killing them doesn't really "help" the cartels since the mercenary groups will use this in price negotiations later, which in the long run just leads to a better funded merc group
• Similar to the ability to hire locals, merc groups have a knack for finding disenchanted former members whom are willing to dox their peers.
• Defecting to the merc groups is tempting for cartel members because they can make more money, but still be "legitimate," since they can become "subject matter experts in organized crime."

So, bin Laden 2.0? The US has a pretty bad history of outsourcing its violent responses. Probably not a good idea to keep with that trend.

 

[mr.moon1488]

So, bin Laden 2.0? The US has a pretty bad history of outsourcing its violent responses. Probably not a good idea to keep with that trend.

In Afghanistan, we gave others weapons with no questions asked, and no real expectations. What I'm talking about is paying others with weapons to handle our problems, which are by extension their problems.

It is akin to saying "fix your own toilet, and get your hands covered in shit."
Give your neighbor your tools and hope that only their hands are covered in shit. (As we did in Afghanistan)
Or hire a professional and know that they profit only from the shit going down the drain.

 

[dirtydeanna96]

That's fine except the "war" tag is over doing things. The president does not have the power to declare war, except perhaps a Twatter fite. Congress has to declare war, and that hasn't been done since the mid nineteen forties.

 

[Shiversblood]

The car companies in the USA that left the USA to make factories in Mexico to save money are going to feel real stupid when the USA government blows up their factories using cruise missiles.

You shut down factories in the USA and took jobs away from Americans because you were cheap and wanted to save a dollar by having factories in Mexico instead. You deserve to have your factories in Mexico blown up by the USA government. That’s called karma.

 

[The Great Chandler]

The car companies in the USA that left the USA to make factories in Mexico to save money are going to feel real stupid when the USA government blows up their factories using cruise missiles.

You shut down factories in the USA and took jobs away from Americans because you were cheap and wanted to save a dollar by having factories in Mexico instead. You deserve to have your factories in Mexico blown up by the USA government. That’s called karma.

I never understood why even leftists of all people support selling ourselves to others. Just to spite Trump?

 

[JektheDumbass]

The drug cartels have beheaded WAY more Americans than ISIS did. String'em up, if the Mexican government doesn't like it then they should have fixed it instead of sucking down cartel cock.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The drug cartels have beheaded WAY more Americans than ISIS did. String'em up, if the Mexican government doesn't like it then they should have fixed it instead of sucking down cartel cock.

I've got a feeling this was because the deaths of the Mormon family was the straw that broke the camel's back. The cartels have been fucking with Americans lately with impunity, designating them as a terrorist organization gives the government a wide latitude to deal with them. It'll push the resources of the CIA, Homeland and other organizations right down the cartel's throats.

Mexico can't deal with it, its time to do drone strikes on cartel strong holds.

 

[WhoIsSutterKane]

I'm honestly surprised it took him this long.

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

now i don't know fucking shit about anything but doesnt this technically mean the ATF retroactively supplied terrorists right next door to them with a heaping helping of guns? on, like, multiple occasions?

 

[muh_moobs]

This is literally the plot to Sicario 2.

Finally. This is fucking glorious.

 

[Agent of Z.O.G.]

So Jace was right about Los Jihados Banditos all along.

Now if only there was some kind of barrier to stem the tide of potential refugees and cartel members...

 

[muh_moobs]

Despite the fucking impeachment and eternal harrassment from the chaos, god emperor shines bright and his aim is true and powerful.

The Emperor protects, brother.