Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ginger Piglet]

The latest virtue signal is that a terminally ill man from Waterlooville, Hampshire is getting an early screening in case he pops his clogs before it comes out for the rest of us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50589569

Imagine the salt and shrieking that would occur if he came out and said it sucked. Of course, that will never happen; the House of Mouse has no doubt got him to sign massive NDAs, non-disparagement clauses, no negative review clauses, if you spoil this we can sue your entire family for the next 18 generations, and so forth.

 

[Tour of Italy]

The latest virtue signal is that a terminally ill man from Waterlooville, Hampshire is getting an early screening in case he pops his clogs before it comes out for the rest of us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50589569

Imagine the salt and shrieking that would occur if he came out and said it sucked. Of course, that will never happen; the House of Mouse has no doubt got him to sign massive NDAs, non-disparagement clauses, no negative review clauses, if you spoil this we can sue your entire family for the next 18 generations, and so forth.

Imagine dying with that much disappointment weighing on you.

 

[A Useless Fish]

The latest virtue signal is that a terminally ill man from Waterlooville, Hampshire is getting an early screening in case he pops his clogs before it comes out for the rest of us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-50589569

Imagine the salt and shrieking that would occur if he came out and said it sucked. Of course, that will never happen; the House of Mouse has no doubt got him to sign massive NDAs, non-disparagement clauses, no negative review clauses, if you spoil this we can sue your entire family for the next 18 generations, and so forth.

This is, without a doubt, one of the most pathetic 'make a wish' stories I have ever heard.

You're days are literally numbered, and all you want before the dark and the silence get you...is to see how Disney Star Wars ends?

Seriously? I'd die of embarrassment if it was one of my relatives getting this treatment.

 

[Love Machine]

So was that boba fett movie turned into mandalorian after the solo flop, or were they always seperate projects. I know the boba fett movie was "canceled" but having the mando feels like they are reusing stuff from boba.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Anyone else see the 2017 Murder on the Orient Express adaptation that Daisey was in? It looks Oscar Issac is the one out of three that will have a good post-TROS career.

That's because Isaac is the only one out of them that had a career (to speak of) before this. He might not look it, but the guy's in his forties I think. His popularity has been ramping up in the years before Soy Wars, starring in good movies like Inside Llewellyn Davis and Ex Machina. Playing third fiddle in kids' movies is a step down for him imo, but it's a way to gain notoriety among the general public. And paychecks, of course.

Is it just me, or does the decision to hire nobodies as the two leads come across as deliberate? The shit tier cast members in GoT started demanding astronomical paychecks as they grew in popularity, and Disney might've wanted to avoid this with closed-off trilogies and spin-off filled with literally whos and B and C-list actors.

 

[Love Machine]

Is it just me, or does the decision to hire nobodies as the two leads come across as deliberate? The shit tier cast members in GoT started demanding astronomical paychecks as they grew in popularity, and Disney might've wanted to avoid this with closed-off trilogies and spin-off filled with literally whos and B and C-list actors.

It was trying to replicate the acting choices of the OT. Most people in those movies were unknowns.

 

[Ghostse]

Lucas tried to keep the principals as unknowns so people wouldn't have preconceived perceptions of them/the characters.

 

[Gehenna]

That's because Isaac is the only one out of them that had a career (to speak of) before this. He might not look it, but the guy's in his forties I think. His popularity has been ramping up in the years before Soy Wars, starring in good movies like Inside Llewellyn Davis and Ex Machina. Playing third fiddle in kids' movies is a step down for him imo, but it's a way to gain notoriety among the general public. And paychecks, of course.

Is it just me, or does the decision to hire nobodies as the two leads come across as deliberate? The shit tier cast members in GoT started demanding astronomical paychecks as they grew in popularity, and Disney might've wanted to avoid this with closed-off trilogies and spin-off filled with literally whos and B and C-list actors.

It was trying to replicate the acting choices of the OT. Most people in those movies were unknowns.

This, it was a deliberate choice and one that, in theory, was genuinely nice. Set up some lesser known actors with decent chops to have a chance to thrust them into the spotlight.

It makes sense from a few standpoints. They wouldn't have much baggage letting them -be- those characters in peoples mind, while this role would, theoretically, define them and ensure that Disney has them forever.

Good for the actor, good for the audience, good for Disney.

In practice though... well.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

That's a good point. It makes sense to have people who aren't known for anything else, so they can 'become' the character for the public. Even Oscar Isaac is an 'oh, I've seen that guy somewhere' at best for the average moviegoer.

 

[Gehenna]

The downside is it makes it hard to tell if the new actors are legitimately bad... or if its the script.

I present to you all the idea that Boyega and Ridley may not actually be bad actors. Nor even Tran (The actor for Rose Tico). One needs only look so far as the prequels and see the absolutely wooden performance of SAMUEL JACKSON to see that a bad director and bad script can just -kill- an actors ability to sell it and be anything but wooden.

mind, I think miss-moon-forehead might still be a bad actor, but Boyega and Tran have hope. Or... well, had before this probably ruined their careers.

 

[Love Machine]

The downside is it makes it hard to tell if the new actors are legitimately bad... or if its the script.

I present to you all the idea that Boyega and Ridley may not actually be bad actors. Nor even Tran (The actor for Rose Tico). One needs only look so far as the prequels and see the absolutely wooden performance of SAMUEL JACKSON to see that a bad director and bad script can just -kill- an actors ability to sell it and be anything but wooden.

mind, I think miss-moon-forehead might still be a bad actor, but Boyega and Tran have hope. Or... well, had before this probably ruined their careers.

I knew boyega and ridley before soy wars, was never a big fan, especially hate boyega. Im my opinion the "unkowns" werent nearly unknown enough.

 

[Judge Holden]

That's because Isaac is the only one out of them that had a career (to speak of) before this. He might not look it, but the guy's in his forties I think.

Yeah I found out the other day he was Prince John in that bizarre squib of a Robin Hood film back in 2010, and he looked like he was in his thirties in that role. Honestly him and Boyega's casting is fine, they just needed better writing, better lines, and better character moments to sell them as worthy inheritors. Same with Tran who should sue Rian Johnson for the angry potato in a wig shit he made her wear.

As for Rey....honestly even Judi Dench in her prime wouldn't have been able to pull off the role with the dire state of her writing and characterisation. You would need to rip up literally everything Kathleen Kennedy mandated about her being an omnipotent blank slate self insert for "all the wammen who will obviously be inspired by her" and rebuild her from scratch as a character who is actually worth a crap and has something resembling both charisma and character growth.

Were I to go back to 2013 and recast...shit I dont know. Maybe throw Shailine Woodley, one of the less prominent Game of Thrones bit actresses, and a couple other "up and comers" from that timeframe into an acting gulag a couple months and cast whomever crawls out at the end.

 

[Gehenna]

I knew boyega and ridley before soy wars, was never a big fan, especially hate boyega. Im my opinion the "unkowns" werent nearly unknown enough.

Boyega has been in a bunch of one of TV show episodes and Straight to DVD bullshit. I'd be... hesitant to hold that against him.

 

[Love Machine]

Boyega has been in a bunch of one of TV show episodes and Straight to DVD bullshit. I'd be... hesitant to hold that against him.

He was fucking terrible in and single handedly ruined pacific rim 2, he was also not that great in attack on the block which was his claim to fame before soy wars. FUCK BOYEGA.

 

[Judge Holden]

Ok chums, lets speculate how cinematic history would have gone had the fates of Ridley and another young British Actress in the eye of the film industry in the late 00s been swapped over...

Better reality or worse reality?

 

[Creep3r]

All you have to do to consider the quality of the various Star Wars properties is to look at their cultural influences and use of quotes from same.

"I have a bad feeling about this"
"little short for a [thing]"
"These aren't the [thing] you're looking for"
"NOOOOOOOOOO"
"No, Luke, I am your father."
"become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
"The [something] is strong in this one"
"Do or do not, there is no try."

Can you think of any lines from the Sequel Trilogy that will be this recognisable in, say, the 2040s?

Yeah, there was an attempt to forced-meme "sixty portions" but that failed.

Only lines from the sequel trilogy I find "memorable" (as in registered even a remote blip on the radar) are that guy who shouts "traitor" (simply because he is absolutely right and Finn is hypocrite who claims to hate violence yet has no trouble killing his comrades 2 seconds after defecting) and the only other line I can remember is this:
"YUR HEN SOLOW! THIS IS DA SHEP DAT MAID DA KESSEL RUN IN 12 PAAR SEX!"

And that's only because of how terrible Daisy Ridley's acting and accent is when she says it. Everything about that scene was beyond awkward, made all the more worse by bad JJ comedy and hollow references, like Luke falling to myth and obscurity while everyone remembers some shitty space run who's only purpose is to be put on your resume when applying for smuggling jobs.

Aside from that, there's also "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to" purely because of how sickening it is and how well it embodies everything wrong with Disney Wars.

I would also say nu-Han's "Its true. All of it." line, but that's only because of how often I've been using it when bringing up awful Disney spoilers in this thread. So it wasn't memorable because of the movie itself.

This is, without a doubt, one of the most pathetic 'make a wish' stories I have ever heard.

Maybe he diddled kids all his life and he figured "I'm going to Hell anyway, may as well get a sneak preview of the worst movie ever. It'll make Hell look a lot less terrible by comparison."

Kingdom Hearts ended in a way that allows it to continue with a new protagonist, and IIRC, the guys at Square even said as much.

Didn't Kingdom Hearts end on a cliffhanger where Sora apparently dies and then they show some bullshit cutscene of him and emo boy fighting inside a Final Fantasy XV knockoff? I also recall some people being upset over all the characters instantly forgiving the bad guy despite all the evil shit he did and killing Sora's gf.

 

[Love Machine]

Ok chums, lets speculate how cinematic history would have gone had the fates of Ridley and another young British Actress in the eye of the film industry in the late 00s been swapped over...

Better reality or worse reality?

No change because even though i think Ridley is terrible, the bigger problem is the material.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Say what you will about Emilia Clarke's acting, at least she's cute and has charisma.
Instead of making fun of Daisey for never shutting her mouth, we'd get an actress whose main acting method is to move her eyebrows (which is frankly less annoying as Daisey's cumdumpster-on-standby look).

 

[Judge Holden]

No change because even though i think Ridley is terrible, the bigger problem is the material.

Counterpoint: Clarke was also given truly abysmal material by DnD when they went off-script and started writing their own fanfiction and she sometimes managed to come close to pulling it off, and even when she didnt you could tell she was trying her darndest to act and emote in an appropriate manner.

Besides which, unlike Planky the wonder Board she somehow manages to not throw shit at any fans who were annoyed at how the franchise turned to shit or declare them all bigots for wanting better writing, indeed she actually seems to have remained popular with fans despite how poorly the show ended, not to mention having something resembling actual passion and love for acting beyond having empty accolades thrown at her from cynical shill media.

Say what you will about Emilia Clarke's acting, at least she's cute and has charisma.
Instead of making fun of Daisey for never shutting her mouth, we'd get an actress whose main acting method is to move her eyebrows (which is frankly less annoying as Daisey's cumdumpster-on-standby look).

Agreed. I would rather have a likable and fairly capable actress who occasionally lapses into Pingu-face...

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....than a sour anorexic plank with a Miss Trunchbull hairdo and a Chris Chan grimace

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[Gehenna]

Counterpoint: Clarke was also given truly abysmal material by DnD when they went off-script and started writing their own fanfiction and she sometimes managed to come close to pulling it off, and even when she didnt you could tell she was trying her darndest to act and emote in an appropriate manner.

Besides which, unlike Planky the wonder Board she somehow manages to not throw shit at any fans who were annoyed at how the franchise turned to shit or declare them all bigots for wanting better writing, indeed she actually seems to have remained popular with fans despite how poorly the show ended, not to mention having something resembling actual passion and love for acting beyond having empty accolades thrown at her from cynical shill media.

Experience. An experienced actor, and a decade of GoTs with side jobs is deifnitely that, can help an actor overcome some of the limitations of a bad script. Something to keep in mind, Clarke had a LOT of experience as Danny herself, meaning she could carry the character.

She likely would have done awful if given a bad script for a character she had not experienced. Though probably still better than Ridley due to experience.