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I doubt that, alzheimer's life expectancy can be up to a decade after diagnosis. Though I am expecting an even more noticeable decline in cognitive functioning.
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I was actually referring to how a person usually declines quickly about a year before they die, and Biden's very rapidly falling apart. You are right though in how he is likely just getting Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia though.
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Yeah that is true; he could have other age-related conditions bearing weight upon him behind the scenes, but sometimes the progression slows down, or speeds up, you can never know for sure. Regardless, he's still walking and...somewhat talking so I expect him to at least maintain some degree of health until election day, unless fate has different plans for him.
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Exactly. I can't always tell if he's lucky or good. Most of the time I think it's kinda both. And if the results are positive does it really matter anyway?
At first, when the Ukraine thing broke I thought the Dems' biggest danger was it knocking Biden out. Now I think their biggest danger is it not knocking Biden out.
In addition to the scandal itself, Biden is liable to be a drooling, catatonic mess in 11 months.
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That's a really good point, when Biden first joined the race, I thought he was gonna dominate the primaries easily. Mainly due to the fact he's heavily tied to Barack Obama, who is highly received among the democratic party, as well as the fact he could easily garner the older and more moderate voters (read: the ones who vote) by standing to the right of the other lefty dumbfucks that had been holding rallies. In addition, with all the connections he undoubtedly has from being VP, I expected a strong campaign (in comparison to the others) that would end with Biden easily clinching the nomination, alongside another Sander's faction meltdown at the DNC.
With exception to the Sanders meltdown, all of those expectations have been vaporized. Biden's health is clearly declining to worrisome levels, yet, even with this Ukraine shit, his poll numbers are indicating he's still ahead in a good number of states. I can't imagine anything more demoralizing to the democratic party than their nominee stumbling and slurring through his DNC speech. The debates would only go worse for him, Trump has reached the position where he doesn't have to play by the rules and will no doubt capitalize on Biden's gaffes on live television. After which, the democratic party would be nothing but dead men walking towards election day.
I also just want to add one thought. This may be the head cold making me think crazy shit, but I've been pondering whether Bloomberg is joining the race deliberately to sabotage Biden's campaign to ensure the democratic nominee at least isn't dying on screen, or if he just simply thinks he can win. Probably the latter.
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Biden takes Stacey Abrams as his VP, wins the election, Biden dies shortly after. First woman president and first (real) black president. I've had this idea stuck in my head for months now.
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Nahh, Bloomberg's only in the race so he can skirt the budget law for funding ads as a private civvy. It's pretty evident by how little effort he's putting into the race for himself, as well as how much money he's already dumped into "FUCK DRUMMTTPTPTH" ads.
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I've said it before, just in jest, but I keep having to circle back to it again and again because it seems to be coming distressingly true: Biden is Horace Greeley for the 21st Century - A generic, monied, harmless big-name Democrat trotted out because the party was in a shambles and had nothing better, who was thoroughly embarrassed by a lack of policy beyond "not a Republican" and a clearly-deteriorating mental state which ultimately killed him when the stress of running a political campaign was foisted on him.
I do not wish it to happen, but given how hard the MSM and it's allies are trying to paint Trump as old, unhealthy and unhinged, it would be ultimate karma if the two big Democratic front runners croaked from old age and went undeniably senile while on the campaign trail...... respectively.
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Possibly, though the ads here in the great northeast
Though I will say it's entirely possible the "Ad Mogul" is his game plan, mainly because at the end of the day, Bloomberg still has loads of "fuck you" money. So, spending money solely to look like he's attempting to run while planning on financing attack ads all around later is still largely on the table.
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Cognitive functioning goes downhill rapidly once it's already impaired enough to be noticeable, but yeah, Alzheimer's patients can, and do, live a surprisingly long time, especially if they were still in decent health at onset, and have excellent care. That's why Ronald Reagan lived for a full decade, post-diagnosis, with it.
Powerlevel: I used to know a very wealthy woman who actually died of Alzheimer's itself, rather than a complication associated with increasing immobility and debility (such as pneumonia), which are what kills a lot of memory patients. Her family had the means to provide the best possible in-home care for her (at a level someone like Joe Biden would get), and it took a full decade following her diagnosis for her brain to degenerate enough that autonomic processes began shutting down.
Before that, she had been in noticeable decline for about two years, immediately following the death of her husband. At first, everyone wrote her sketchiness off as grief, so it took me (and a few other friends) a full year before we finally dared approach her sons with our concern about her. It took them many more months to get her in to see a neurologist and get a diagnosis, during which she continued to decline. She had always been very feisty and strong-willed, and used to running the whole show, but as her dementia increased, so did her paranoia. It took a car accident, a suspended driver's license, and the DMV's demand for proof of her fitness to continue driving to get her diagnosed. And of course she lashed out against it the entire time, in wildly irrational, delusional ways, becoming somebody we didn't even recognize. It was was fucking awful for everybody involved.
So from the time she obviously started to lose it, to her death? Twelve years. Twelve long fucking years, the last of which she was in full-on Hartley Hooligan mode. But looking back, I could recognize signs that not all was well with her for at least a year before her husband died--she had always been incredibly well-organized and efficient, and that was already fraying at the edges in the months before his death. Occasionally, she'd say stuff that was just plain weird, or inappropriate. Again, those of us who knew her wrote it off as her being under tremendous stress due to her husband's terminal illness, rather than any sort of dementia.
Seriously, fuck Alzheimer's.
Before that, she had been in noticeable decline for about two years, immediately following the death of her husband. At first, everyone wrote her sketchiness off as grief, so it took me (and a few other friends) a full year before we finally dared approach her sons with our concern about her. It took them many more months to get her in to see a neurologist and get a diagnosis, during which she continued to decline. She had always been very feisty and strong-willed, and used to running the whole show, but as her dementia increased, so did her paranoia. It took a car accident, a suspended driver's license, and the DMV's demand for proof of her fitness to continue driving to get her diagnosed. And of course she lashed out against it the entire time, in wildly irrational, delusional ways, becoming somebody we didn't even recognize. It was was fucking awful for everybody involved.
So from the time she obviously started to lose it, to her death? Twelve years. Twelve long fucking years, the last of which she was in full-on Hartley Hooligan mode. But looking back, I could recognize signs that not all was well with her for at least a year before her husband died--she had always been incredibly well-organized and efficient, and that was already fraying at the edges in the months before his death. Occasionally, she'd say stuff that was just plain weird, or inappropriate. Again, those of us who knew her wrote it off as her being under tremendous stress due to her husband's terminal illness, rather than any sort of dementia.
Seriously, fuck Alzheimer's.
So yeah, if Joe Biden's got Alzheimer's, he could still live for at least another decade (though not a whole lot longer than that). Most of it will be completely out of the public eye. Given how dotty his recent behavior has been, I don't think it will be long before he makes his exit, having served whatever purpose the DNC has for him (which may just be proving once and for all that he's not a viable candidate, thus bringing the party faithful into line behind Warren). I would expect it to be sometime in the spring, following more incomprehensible and embarrassing public appearances; I don't see him making it to the convention.
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That spoiler is why I have a gun no one knows about. It is literally my suicide gun. I get a terminal diagnosis I'm thanking the doctor, heading to the lake, and blowing my fucking brains out.
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You said you have a gun nobody knows about that you plan on using on yourself should you develop a similar illness.
Stop being a pussy and own it.
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You aren't my real dad.
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No, but the hotpockets will make you call them daddy.
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The alternate explanation is that these polls are doctored to manipulate the Republican Party into adopting a "capture the minorities" strategy, making fools of themselves in the process (see TPUSA) .
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Yeah, but wouldn't the polls tell Trump to keep doing what he's already doing- rather than adopt a new or altered strategy? Republicans have wone elections before with less than 5 or 10 percent of the black vote afterall.
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One of the oldest tricks in the politics book is talking about a statistic the media doesn't want to report on, but deliberately getting it wrong so the media will swoop in to "correct" you. Nixon did it and Trump did it. The guy absolutely knows what he's doing.
It's definitely both though.
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The fact they say "Non white" instead of "black" is proof that they've confirmed they are losing a not-negligible part of the black vote.... just like how when the police refuse to release the identity of a criminal suspect, you know it's because they're one of the "protected" left classes.
Even before impeachment took over the cycle, there were several stories that dissected the demographics and concluded that the Republican base was small, but motivated, while the Dem base was larger, but indifferent/demoralized, and that the only way they could beat Trump in 2020 if the voters from 2016 hadn't changed sides would be if the Democrats had near-historic levels of blue turnout at the polls.
Any shrinking of any D voting bloc is bad news because they can't win with "average" turnout.
Even a 5% change from last election is cause to panic.
Even before impeachment took over the cycle, there were several stories that dissected the demographics and concluded that the Republican base was small, but motivated, while the Dem base was larger, but indifferent/demoralized, and that the only way they could beat Trump in 2020 if the voters from 2016 hadn't changed sides would be if the Democrats had near-historic levels of blue turnout at the polls.
Any shrinking of any D voting bloc is bad news because they can't win with "average" turnout.
Even a 5% change from last election is cause to panic.
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Possibly, but you know that some "strategists" will be convinced by these polls that "Yes, it IS possible to make non-whites vote Republican, we need to press the attack!" . Like those game companies that piss off their main fanbase in search of a mythical "wider audience", because some marketing hack told them it was possible.
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This, I doubt.
Republicans previously thought minority outreach amounted to "we love amnesty, too" and "look, we have elected black politicians." Very forced, very cringey, and very fake.
On a certain level, I believe Trump naturally appeals to minorities for a variety of reasons. For young black men, he models a lot of machismo that they aspire to, which makes sense given how much Trump was previously idolized in many rap songs. For Latinos, he appeals to the "Caudillo" type that is often prevalent in Latin American countries. His support among Latinos is especially interesting, given that he really does little pandering to that demographic, or at least in the way that Republicans have in the past.
As for this being an elaborate Conservative, Inc. ruse, you'd have to assume that NPR and Monmouth are also playing some 5D chess level gay ops. Liberals (as well as the Alt-right) assume minorities will always vote monolithically for the Dems, and they tend to take them for granted. This spike in support for Trump among minorities isn't the result of pandering, but him doing what he is already doing. At this point, Trump doesn't really need to change his strategy if he hopes to increase his support among them. Trump's success, in my opinion, is likely in spite of Conservative, Inc. Kanye has probably done more to help Trump's standing than all the tokenism Candace Owens has engaged in.
If these polls reflect reality, then both the Left and the alt-right's narrative is falling apart.