Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Manwithn0n0men said:
So it sounds like with a good writer Rian can execute well
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Yeah. I feel like maybe we need to get away from the writer/director (which have basically become linked terms in cinema recently) roles being held by the same person.

I mean, if you can write and you can direct (like Mel Brooks did with his old movies) then fine, but if people can constantly poke holes in your writing, then maybe you should work on directing someone else's written word instead of trusting your own.

Both JJ and Rian clearly have this issue. They can make the shit look good (there are moments in both TFA and TLJ that are visually stunning) and they can get good performances out of the actors (late stage Carrie Fisher must have been a nightmare to direct, but both of them managed to get passable performances out of her) but they can't construct a complete story to save their lives.

Hell, the infamous "lightspeed crash" from TLJ is a microcosm for all of this. The visual itself is absolutely amazing to look at. It must have been storyboarded wonderfully, and it is one of the most striking images I've seen in any Star Wars film...its just a shame that it makes no sense and retroactively makes all space battles that came before it lesser than before because why has no one ever done this before? Hell, why didn't they just do that from the beginning in TLJ?
 
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Just want to say I'm calling this now, because we know this movie wont do the cool thing. Im super salty because I was hype for these guys when they showed them in ep 7.


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Okay I got something to say about the whole "Palpy's clones" leak. So in TCW series, a number of clones have their own distinct personalities. I recall one episode had a clone that sees the Republic as an oppressive government, just like the Separatists, and betrays his brothers. Now did Snoke and OT Palpy have the same personality of the original Palpy (which I guess is the one from the prequels)? Are we suppose to presume during his reign, a clone did as Palpy ordered and didn't try to overthrow him?

Also, to me, having Palpy on fucking life-support makes him come off as weak. You would think the big villain of your franchise would know a way to keep himself from dying.
 
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The Nothingness said:
Okay I got something to say about the whole "Palpy's clones" leak. So in TCW series, a number of clones have their own distinct personalities. I recall one episode had a clone that sees the Republic as an oppressive government, just like the Separatists, and betrays his brothers. Now did Snoke and OT Palpy have the same personality of the original Palpy (which I guess is the one from the prequels)? Are we suppose to presume during his reign, a clone did as Palpy ordered and didn't try to overthrow him?

Also, to me, having Palpy being on fucking life-support makes him come off as weak. You would think the big villain of your franchise would know a way to keep himself from dying.
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The clones have chips in their brains that dont let them refuse orders, this can only be countered by knowing about it and having it removed, or it malfunctions. Id imagine sheev would invest in putting a good brain chip in there.
 
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I was never the biggest fan of Dark Empire as I felt bringing back Palpatine kind of undid the ending to Return of the Jedi (among other issues I had).

So you have that issue here on top of the whole thing that this clearly was not the plan from the beginning (any shill saying otherwise is lying to themselves) and it just comes off as desperate and lazy.
 
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When TFA came out there was so much hopeful speculation as to who Snoke was. In the end JJ and Co. did to him what they did to the entire OT - made him completely irrelevant. Literally disposable. That's quite a feat.

But at least their "real villain" is suitably menacing...except that he keeps losing fights to girls and holograms.

But at least the First Order itself is scary, right? They've got to have someone like Admiral Piet, don't they? Actually their sub-leader is a ginger who gets treated like one of the Three Stooges. I'm surprised they don't just go full on and incorporate a slide whistle when he's getting thrown around by Kylo.

The more you think about these movies the more horrible they all become.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
I never liked the idea of Snoke to begin with as it just felt like "Emperor Part 2.0", so them disposing of him to have Kylo Ren ascend to the level of true number one big bad was something I was actually in favor of.

But then they pulled the rug out from that, put in the real Emperor again, and reduced Kylo to subordinate yet again....k.
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I hear you, but some of the theories involved him being Darth Plageuis. I know from a cinematic POV not much different than Emperor 2.0, but from a lore POV it would have been interesting.

But they apparently just chose to wing it. They should really parody the treatment these movies have gotten in one of those "Just okay is not okay" commercials.
 
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Zaryiu said:
Wait how is Kingdom Hearts 3 a flop or disappointment story wise.? It was given it as a gift today (I played 1, 2 and some parts of those between them and I know what happens in the prequel game)
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KH3 is the most mechanically solid gameplaywise and has the largest levels in the series, the only fault I could say is the lack of a proper full map since the areas are so large.

Storywise people didn't feel it was epic enough despite wrapping up the 8 other games and not tripping over itself.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
I was never the biggest fan of Dark Empire as I felt bringing back Palpatine kind of undid the ending to Return of the Jedi (among other issues I had).

So you have that issue here on top of the whole thing that this clearly was not the plan from the beginning (any shill saying otherwise is lying to themselves) and it just comes off as desperate and lazy.
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those are the two pillars of Abrams storytelling
 
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The Nothingness said:
Also, to me, having Palpy being on fucking life-support makes him come off as weak. You would think the big villain of your franchise would know a way to keep himself from dying.
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Hey....it's almost like that thing that Palpatine told Anakin about.....having the power to cheat death. Huh. Guess nobody at Disney had ever watched Episode III?
 
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Marissa Moira said:
Storywise people didn't feel it was epic enough despite wrapping up the 8 other games and not tripping over itself.
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Did we play the same kingdom hearths 3?
Also you cannot trip yourself if you keep retconing everything :^)
 
Edit:Power level but whatever.

Growing up I got the OT on VHS. I damn near played them till the tape broke.

My favorite Christmas memory growing up was when I was 7 my dad had all my gifts signed by "Luke Skywalker" as opposed to Santa.

That Christmas I got Xwing on MS Dos with a flight stick.

I use to tell that story to friends IRL. After what the mouse has and is going to do to this franchise, I don't say anything about being a Star Wars fan.

I'd sooner tell someone I've read an agree with a lot of the unabomber manifesto now.
 
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Godzilla@1989 said:
I honestly think Driver would survive front his shitfest. Dude does a good job with the crap material given to him, kinda like Robert Pattinson with Twilight.

Speaking of Twilight, who’s a shittier character in your opinion, Bella or Rey?
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Robert Pattinson openly admitted to hating his character and Twiglet in general. He went on record as saying that he thought Stephenie Meyer was a hack and that Edward Cullen must have something wrong with him because he's an ungodly handsome 117 year old sparklepire, yet he's also a virgin. So he played him up as, well, not to put too fine a point on it, an incel. He also said that he only signed up to do it for the money and because he wanted to have a go at Kristen Stewart and once he'd rumpled her drawers he fucked off sharpish.

GeneralFriendliness said:
angry care bear dolls with magic protection stones defeated a galactic empire with arrows and logs
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Two words: Tucker's Kobolds.

I should explain. This was a semi-legendary AD&D 2e (I think) adventure aimed at characters level 10 and above, in which the main enemies were kobolds. As in, the trash mobs that get pwned by level 1 characters in a couple of hits. However, by having the kobolds set up their stronghold with arrow slits in every wall, murder holes in the ceiling and vats of boiling oil, traps on every available level surface, tunnels within the walls between advantageous firing positions and ambushes, and "hurling Molotov Cocktails at the party from behind the cover of flaming barricades that groups of kobolds pushed ahead of them with metal poles."

Also, you have to also remember that with rusty old Soviet rifles, IEDs, traps, ambushes, and superior local knowledge and an extensive network of sympathisers within the native population, an irregular militia (the Viet Cong / NVA) saw off a superpower (the USA) in the 1960s and 1970s. It's not that far fetched really. The Empire's armoured units and divisions were completely unsuited to a heavily forested battlefield with broken terrain and ambush points etc. at every turn.

Love_Machine011 said:
Well guys... are you ready for the next trilogy covering Disney's take on the Yuuzhan Vong's war.
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I'd rather not. They'll take a good idea (Jedi Order faced with outside context problem that the Force is ineffective against) and fuck it into the dirt.

Anyhow. I was roaming TV Tropes during a quiet moment today and I saw this:

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Do these people actually leave the house? Or are Disney employees doing this as a form of astroturfing? That's the only explanation frankly.

Also, if YouTube is to be believed, there's a scene where Kylo Ren enters Palpatine's stronghold and sees loads of Snoke clones in jars and realises that the Emprah was meat-puppeting Snoke from a distance.

I'm also still at a loss as to how Palpatine crews his secret armada of star destroyers with Death Star cannons. You can't keep that level of a hive of activity secret for very long.
 
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