Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Lodoss Warrior said:
Quite the shame. He's legitimately someone whose attention to Legends lore and fair deliberation in every aspect of SW that isn't directly related to Disney I respect. Like, I don't know any other SW YouTuber quite as knowledgeable about the naval tactics and weapons deployed in SW. He's a tier above the likes of SWTheory and HelloGreedo--and that's the reason I say I'm only nearly convinced Disney pays him to look the other way.

That, or he can't accept the idea that something he loves and identifies with has been murdered and worn as a skin-suit by a soulless mouse. I can buy that too.
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To me this seems more like self-preservation.
When you have a "single Franchise" Youtube Channel, being overly negative about it is basically pushing your audience to stop giving crap about it (and by extension your Channel.)
Not to mention he is going to run out of Legends Material to cover anywayat some point, so Disney-Canon is all that really matters going forward.
 
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PeeveTheSheev said:
"Well, first of all, I asked last night. I said, 'What the hell is gender fluid?’ That’s a whole new term," Williams said. "But what I was talking about was about men getting in touch with their softer side of themselves. There’s a phrase that was coined by Carl G. Jung, who was a psychiatrist, who was a contemporary of Sigmund Freud, and they had a splitting of the ways because they had different ideas about the … what do you call it? Consciousness. Unconscious. It’s collective unconsciousness. But he coined a phrase that’s, ‘Anima animus.’ And anima means that is the female counterpart of the male self, and the animus is the male counterpart of the female. So that's what I was referring to."

It became more clear that Williams truly didn't know what gender fluidity was, as it seemed he had conflated it with sexual fluidity.

"I was talking about men getting in touch with the female side of themselves. I wasn’t talking about sex, I wasn’t talking about being gay or straight," he said. "People should read [Jung]. I mean, it would be an interesting education for a lot of people."

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture...-remarks-about-gender-pronouns-misinterpreted

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Pretty much exactly what everyone here predicted. Either that, or he's getting abused by a caretaker. I really like Billy Dee Williams, I didn't want to crack up every time I saw his name.

UnKillFill said:
I'm replaying KOTOR II and was looking up what some of the "offical" lore is. How the hell can the exile be "canonically" a light side woman named Meetra Surik, if the entire game isn't considered canon anymore? Ditto I guess for Revan being a dude who turned to the light side in the first game.
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There were several endings to each game, and your gender affected who you could romance. In the old canon, to be able to continue telling stories without tiptoeing around the choices you could make, they just gave canon genders and alignments. Revan was a light side dude so he could romance Bastila, and the Exile was made female to contrast Revan, I suppose, and maybe relate her to Kreia. However, all this canon shit eventually led to the Revan novel and TOR, which butchered Revan's character and killed the Exile off, so ignore it and do whatever you want. KOTOR II even lets you choose the gender and alignment of Revan. All of this only applies to Legends.

Once Disney decanonized everything, it doesn't really matter at all. None of it happened, no matter what gender or alignment you chose.
 
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SuperSheep said:
So, basically Darths and Droids?



I suspected as much. A guy says something that is slightly confusing regarding gender performance, and people immediately assume that it means that the individual is gender fluid and they start editing the wikipedia. This happened with Garfield.
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Look at this faggotry on Wikipedia:

Talk:Billy Dee Williams - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
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Optimus Prime said:
Any word on how the opening of Rise of the Resistance went yesterday at Disney World? I'm assuming it didn't break down since there's nothing but shilling going on from my limited time looking it up.
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Shit. I forgot to discuss that. Someone already posted the video of the ride in this thread (can't remember who, but thank you for posting it).
The ride is exactly how I said it would be.
And like I pointed out a few months ago, it looks like they cut a lot of the more complex and expensive features that caused problems with the ride.
They removed the experimental laser/mirror mechanic they were trying to implement entirely and just replaced it with flashing lights and tv screens so the fight scenes look terrible.
They completely disabled the movements of the AT-AT's heads, so not only do they not fire on you, but they don't even look at you which seems to have resulted in them now keeping that area well lit despite initial testing having it dark for the laser effect, and now its no longer dark the AT-AT area doesn't look nearly as intimidating.
A lot of the animatronics have been replaced with 2D screens.
They replaced Kylo Ren throwing his lightsaber at you with his saber just cutting through the roof.
Also I can't tell if the introduction is still the same, since the video only starts after escaping the prison cell.
Kylo Ren getting beaten by having a piece of the roof land on him is still the same but its way cheaper-looking than what the initial concepts and testing implied.
The escape pod/exit sequence is still the same. Its a miracle they managed to get that working right, unless they replaced the risky elevator system with a Star Tours/Falcon pod that jiggles but descends more slowly.
Finn is in this and is reduced to a comic relief Stepin Fetchit role again... and pretty much everything else is the same.

Does anyone have a video of the intro so I can compare how much they changed or if they actually bothered to keep/break their other lame promise of a "revolutionary" hologram feature that would have Rey at the start?

As for opening day feedback, I'll try and find that out now.
 
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Flexo said:
Anyone post this yet? Apparently a screenwriting instructor is using TLJ as an example of how NOT to write.
boundingintocomics.com

Bionic Woman Producer Kamran Pasha Uses Star Wars: The Last Jedi To Teach About Bad Screenwriting - Bounding Into Comics

Bionic Woman and Kings producer Kamran Pasha, who also teaches screenwriting seminars, made it very clear he uses Star Wars: The Last Jedi to instruct his students on how not to write a screenplay.
boundingintocomics.com boundingintocomics.com

EDIT: Ah there's the late rating. My bad.
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I've talked to him on twitter he is a cool and approachable dude

PeeveTheSheev said:
"Well, first of all, I asked last night. I said, 'What the hell is gender fluid?’ That’s a whole new term," Williams said. "But what I was talking about was about men getting in touch with their softer side of themselves. There’s a phrase that was coined by Carl G. Jung, who was a psychiatrist, who was a contemporary of Sigmund Freud, and they had a splitting of the ways because they had different ideas about the … what do you call it? Consciousness. Unconscious. It’s collective unconsciousness. But he coined a phrase that’s, ‘Anima animus.’ And anima means that is the female counterpart of the male self, and the animus is the male counterpart of the female. So that's what I was referring to."

It became more clear that Williams truly didn't know what gender fluidity was, as it seemed he had conflated it with sexual fluidity.

"I was talking about men getting in touch with the female side of themselves. I wasn’t talking about sex, I wasn’t talking about being gay or straight," he said. "People should read [Jung]. I mean, it would be an interesting education for a lot of people."

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture...-remarks-about-gender-pronouns-misinterpreted

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OR IDK.....He was told to say something so Disney could promote moronic clickbait
 
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GeneralFriendliness said:
Shit. I forgot to discuss that. Someone already posted the video of the ride in this thread (can't remember who, but thank you for posting it).
The ride is exactly how I said it would be.
And like I pointed out a few months ago, it looks like they cut a lot of the more complex and expensive features that caused problems with the ride.
They removed the experimental laser/mirror mechanic they were trying to implement entirely and just replaced it with flashing lights so the fight scenes look terrible.
They completely disabled the movements of the AT-AT's heads, so not only do they not fire on you, but they don't even look at you which seems to have resulted in them now keeping that area will lit despite initial testing having it dark for the laser effect, and now its no longer dark the AT-AT area doesn't look nearly as intimidating.
A lot of the animatronics have been replaced with 2D screens.
They replaced Kylo Ren throwing his lightsaber at you with his saber just cutting through the roof.
Also I can't tell if the introduction is still the same, since the video only starts after escaping the prison cell.
Kylo Ren getting beaten by having a piece of the roof land on him is still the same but its way cheaper-looking than what the initial concepts and testing implied.
The escape pod/exist sequence is still the same. Its a miracle they managed to get that working right, unless they replaced the risky elevator system with a Star Tours/Falcon pod that jiggles but descends slowly.
Finn is in this and is reduced to a comic relief Stepin Fetchit role again... and pretty much everything else is the same.

Does anyone have a video of the intro so I can compare how much they changed or if they actually bothered to keep/break their other lame promise of a "revolutionary" hologram feature that would have Rey at the start?

As for opening day feedback, I'll try and find that out now.
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It's still kinda cool but yeah, it does look a lot cheaper. That part where Kylo is defeated by a cheap-looking roof piece is really pathetic.
 
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HeyYou said:
Pretty much exactly what everyone here predicted. Either that, or he's getting abused by a caretaker. I really like Billy Dee Williams, I didn't want to crack up every time I saw his name.


There were several endings to each game, and your gender affected who you could romance. In the old canon, to be able to continue telling stories without tiptoeing around the choices you could make, they just gave canon genders and alignments. Revan was a light side dude so he could romance Bastila, and the Exile was made female to contrast Revan, I suppose, and maybe relate her to Kreia. However, all this canon shit eventually led to the Revan novel and TOR, which butchered Revan's character and killed the Exile off, so ignore it and do whatever you want. KOTOR II even lets you choose the gender and alignment of Revan. All of this only applies to Legends.

Once Disney decanonized everything, it doesn't really matter at all. None of it happened, no matter what gender or alignment you chose.
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The canon for KOTOR was pretty muddled even before the terrible novels and even more terrible plot developments in TOR came to pass. Canonically, the Exile was female, which I always considered an obvious sop to identity politics considering what else was canon: namely, Briana the Handmaiden was canonically a companion, while Mical the Disciple was not, presumably because the Handmaiden had more connections to the plot through her attachment to Atris and her maybe-status as Kreia's daughter. But Handmaiden only joined male exiles ... so by Lucasfilm's canon, it was not possible to do a canonical playthrough without mods. Pathetic.
 
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PeeveTheSheev said:
"Well, first of all, I asked last night. I said, 'What the hell is gender fluid?’ That’s a whole new term," Williams said. "But what I was talking about was about men getting in touch with their softer side of themselves. There’s a phrase that was coined by Carl G. Jung, who was a psychiatrist, who was a contemporary of Sigmund Freud, and they had a splitting of the ways because they had different ideas about the … what do you call it? Consciousness. Unconscious. It’s collective unconsciousness. But he coined a phrase that’s, ‘Anima animus.’ And anima means that is the female counterpart of the male self, and the animus is the male counterpart of the female. So that's what I was referring to."

It became more clear that Williams truly didn't know what gender fluidity was, as it seemed he had conflated it with sexual fluidity.

"I was talking about men getting in touch with the female side of themselves. I wasn’t talking about sex, I wasn’t talking about being gay or straight," he said. "People should read [Jung]. I mean, it would be an interesting education for a lot of people."

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture...-remarks-about-gender-pronouns-misinterpreted

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LMFAO so that entire wiki edit storm was all for nothing!
 
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Mola Ram said:
The canon for KOTOR was pretty muddled even before the terrible novels and even more terrible plot developments in TOR came to pass. Canonically, the Exile was female, which I always considered an obvious sop to identity politics considering what else was canon: namely, Briana the Handmaiden was canonically a companion, while Mical the Disciple was not, presumably because the Handmaiden had more connections to the plot through her attachment to Atris and her maybe-status as Kreia's daughter. But Handmaiden only joined male exiles ... so by Lucasfilm's canon, it was not possible to do a canonical playthrough without mods. Pathetic.
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These kinds of posts make me wish the board had a NERD! rating for when autistic doesn't quite fit.

And I say this knowing I would get enough of those to wallpaper my apartment. I'm aware I'm a pot talking to a kettle.
 
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Manwithn0n0men said:
Being in touch with your inner feminine in the 70s (as BDW is/was) counts as Gender Fluid today because our ideas of gender have degenerated
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What's that? You like to play with dolls instead of action figures? Well Timmy, I hope you're ready for some new medication...
 
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Here ya go
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Thank you. Unlike the rest of the ride, it seems the intro and waiting areas have remained largely unchanged, although the more prominent role of the Ackbar donut steal animatronic is new. Part of me wonders if this was actually intended to be Ackbar before TLJ changed their plans. I mean, heck this ain't even Ackbar's dick-headed nu-son. Its just another donut steal who's never been seen in anything before and just replaces a pre-existing character by having the exact same nature and role, and much like the concept, Nien is the only OT character in this shit. Overall, it seems the intro does a better job of being entertaining unlike the lackluster ride itself which is pretty damn pathetic, I mean the ride itself looks so damn cheap and not even half as realistic as the intro, which only starts to go to shit when they arrive in the FO ship. And why the fuck is Rey giving the briefing instead of Poe or Rose? Is she even a ranked Resistance officer? When the hell did this happen? She was in the base for like a few minutes before fucking off to join Luke and only comes back at the last minute. She's had no time for rankings and shit, or did Leia just magically promote Rey to general because she's just that special? Kinda sad since this clearly had potential but they had to dumb it down in rush development and with a sequel basis. Also it looks so unimmersive to have all those nu-trooper mannequins stand behind a few bars that add nothing and take away from the immersion. The hangar is just as small as the early development pics implied too. Also it kinda feels really awkward trying to take not-Ackbar's scene seriously when there's a bunch of people sticking mobile phones in his face.
 
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Flexo said:
These kinds of posts make me wish the board had a NERD! rating for when autistic doesn't quite fit.

And I say this knowing I would get enough of those to wallpaper my apartment. I'm aware I'm a pot talking to a kettle.
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I can live with it. I adored those games. KOTOR made me love Star Wars again, only for Disney to strangle that love a decade later. :(
 
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Manwithn0n0men said:
Pansexual today was Bisexual in the 70s (and pansexual in the 70s meant you banged animals as well)
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According to Disney pansexual in the 10s means you fuck droids and starships so it might not have changed much. Hell, even fucking animals and kids might still be up for the "pansexual" label since all those people who call themselves LGBTQIAP like Jonathan Yaniv keep insisting it means "pansexual"
 
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Reverend said:
Billy Dee just likes to fuck dudes in women's clothes. He should really just come out and say that and blow people's minds. Brutal honesty by a POC is all the rage.
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And no people who work for the studios not only know what trash like "Gender Fluid" means they know how much representations of it in media leads to increased positive brand association
 
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