Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Gehenna]

Bold of you to assume Disney will ever let it go out of their grubby mitts.

Still waiting for Mickey to be public domain btw.

Disney never will, but the proposition was that Lucas should have rather than selling it to Disney.

FOX might've been the better option since they were bidding for it too. And if they had gotten their hands on the SW ip and Lucasfilm, they might have not needed to sell themselves to Disney with all the money that shit would've brought in (assuming they wouldn't fuck up worse than Disney).

Disney bought Fox, sooooooo. Also, the cost it would take to MAKE a SWs movie woulda put FOX under, it was a ship that was fundamentally broken.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Bold of you to assume Disney will ever let it go out of their grubby mitts.

Still waiting for Mickey to be public domain btw.

We were discussing what Lucas should have done instead of selling to the Rat.

 

[Kane Lives]

Disney never will, but the proposition was that Lucas should have rather than selling it to Disney.


Disney bought Fox, sooooooo. Also, the cost it would take to MAKE a SWs movie woulda put FOX under, it was a ship that was fundamentally broken.

We were discussing what Lucas should have done instead of selling to the Rat.

Doooh. That'd learn me for not reading properly. Carry on.

 

[Creep3r]

Disney bought Fox, sooooooo. Also, the cost it would take to MAKE a SWs movie woulda put FOX under, it was a ship that was fundamentally broken.

Well they must've had something in mind since they were still willing to bid for it. And to be frank, I honestly think we didn't need a new movie. ROTJ was fine as is as the conclusive ending to the cinematic half of the franchise. And as long as FOX kept the comic rights with Dark Horse and kept Lucasarts around to still make/publish the games, I really wouldn't care if I ever saw a new SW film again. They could get along simply by making another animated series to succeed Filoni Wars considering how well that was doing in the ratings, and if it all worked out they might not need to sell to Disney. Then again, all of this is just speculation, and FOX would probably do stuff that was just as stupid as Disney did or they would still tank regardless if they did everything right and still sell to Disney to fuck it all over again... Maybe there was never a good alternate future except one where SW just falls out of the media spotlight to avoid any further rape.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Exactly. He is like the peace activist hippy who grew up to be a war mongering senator.

I used to wonder... what if Lucas got Spielberg to make a Star Wars movie. Or James Cameron. Considering Cameron got into film making due to Star Wars and he is very good at handling sci fi and effect heavy stuff, he would have been an interesting pick.

Well, Spielberg was on board to direct Jedi but Lucas at the time was in dispute with the directors guild over his insistence that credits would only play at the end of the movie and not above the title, because he wanted to retain the integrity of the intro crawl.
By sticking to his guns, Starwars was blacklisted as a non union gig and Spielberg would have had to resign from the guild to make the movie. That would have hurt his options in Hollywood so Spielberg was forced to pass.
I very much doubt Lucas would have handed over creative control to another arteur though. He hired his old film school professor Irvin Kershner for Empire because he was prepared to work outside the guild and Lucas thought he could control the guy. That turned out not to be the case. Kershner had his own vision and Lucas couldn't be on set in London because he was too busy setting up Lucasfilm in California and battling with the banks to fund the film, so he never managed to exert the level of control over the movie that he had hoped.
It wasn't a mistake he made again. After Spielberg departed he hired Richard Marquand to direct Jedi. Marquand was a literal nobody and this time Lucas was on set daily to pupeteer his pet director just like all the studio execs that he hated for their interference. Just like Poltergiest is really a Spielberg movie that Tobe Hooper (much to his frustration) was told exactly how to direct, Jedi is really a George Lucas directed film.
It seems unlikely that you were ever going to get another creators vision in Starwars until George sold the IP ....and then we got Jar Jar and Roundhead's 'vision'.

 

[BScCollateral]

Didn't someone want a pile of dead Ewoks? Well, looks like you're one step closer to it.

In this season of joy and celebration, I will be thankful for what I can get.

 

[AnOminous]

Are your expectations subverted yet?

Why don't they subvert audience expectations by making something that isn't complete ass?

 

[Creep3r]

I think I found the last two recipes of the Galaxy's Edge cookbook that have been posted online. There are 9 others left, but none of them have been shared on any site. The remaining ones are 5 drinks and 4 food items, and if they ever get posted I'll try to share. Should I post the last 2 together? Separately? Or separately with Elder Scrolls recipes for comparison/criticism? I ask since the last ES vs GE coobook comparison didn't inspire much conversation compared to the other recipes.

Edit: It appears that at least 2 or 3 people have tried recreating the recipes in the book. I can try and post those too to see how they turned out.

However it seems no one is interested in recreating these horrors from chef MovieBob's kitchen of Terror.

Edit: Looks like some aren't going to get to enjoy the new Galaxy's Edge ride anytime soon.

Worst part is wait lines for this shit are said to be 8 hours or more at the moment, so if the ride fucks up, you have to go wait in line all over again with everyone else who didn't get to ride.

 

[AnOminous]

Worst part is wait lines for this shit are said to be 8 hours or more at the moment, so if the ride fucks up, you have to go wait in line all over again with everyone else who didn't get to ride.

Disney fans are such utter shit-eaters.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

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Seeing this gave me the mental image of Mon Calamari goatse.

Now you get to suffer with me.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Edit: It appears that at least 2 or 3 people have tried recreating the recipes in the book. I can try and post those too to see how they turned out.

Sure, why not. Let's see if average people can consistently do better with their recipe versions. Even their worst attempts can't be much worse than Disney's cheap overpriced slop.

 

[Absolutego]

Bold of you to assume Disney will ever let it go out of their grubby mitts.
Still waiting for Mickey to be public domain btw.

For once ITT I have positive news to share - Steamboat Willie is on track to go into public domain in 2024, and all the major lobbyists for the Sonny Bono extension (MPAA, RIAA, Disney, the Gershwin family apparently) don't have any plans to try and lobby for another extension, because the meme that copyright is now forever got too widespread and they don't want to deal with the grassroots backlash against it. Plus most of the major studios are eager to pilfer each other's IP now that they've run out of their own stuff to keep rebooting.

 

[Flexo]

Bitch best not. They kill Wicket and I'll get that Sith Dagger and shove it so far up Jar Jar's ass it will get stuck in his nose. I mean at least it looks like it belongs in an ass.

I grew up watching the Ewoks cartoon and being a huge ewok nerd. When I did the Star Wars rpg in the 90s I played an ewok Jedi.

Yeah. Let the nerd essences from that sink in.

Supposedly the movie starts with training on Endor so maybe we get lucky and Wicket eats one of porgs that were still on the Falcon.

Once upon a time I would have mocked you. But now I have a bit of respect for ya - such has the saga become.

Of course having recently rewatched the ewok movies, i could respect someone playing lumberjack ewok.

Hm. Now I'm imagining an rpg session where a party of Ewoks and gungans go after the Emperor, Mah-rei sue. Hell I'd watch that movie over plan 9.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

For once ITT I have positive news to share - Steamboat Willie is on track to go into public domain in 2024, and all the major lobbyists for the Sonny Bono extension (MPAA, RIAA, Disney, the Gershwin family apparently) don't have any plans to try and lobby for another extension, because the meme that copyright is now forever got too widespread and they don't want to deal with the grassroots backlash against it. Plus most of the major studios are eager to pilfer each other's IP now that they've run out of their own stuff to keep rebooting.

Hmmm. Not sure about how you burgers do copyright but my understanding is that when Mickey enters public domain, it'll only be those original cartoons and the characters therein as they appear in those cartoons. The first person to come along and produce something objectionable or memetic to try and trigger the House of Mouse will find themselves in conflict with Disney and its army of lawyers. Who will no doubt argue that the copyright still subsists in later depictions of Mickey and that your derivative Rule 34 of Mickey and/or Minnie getting SKAVENED is a derivative work of those later forms of Mickey.

 

[Absolutego]

Hmmm. Not sure about how you burgers do copyright but my understanding is that when Mickey enters public domain, it'll only be those original cartoons and the characters therein as they appear in those cartoons. The first person to come along and produce something objectionable or memetic to try and trigger the House of Mouse will find themselves in conflict with Disney and its army of lawyers. Who will no doubt argue that the copyright still subsists in later depictions of Mickey and that your derivative Rule 34 of Mickey and/or Minnie getting SKAVENED is a derivative work of those later forms of Mickey.

Yeah white-gloved Mickey entering public domain ca. 2026 is going to be the real test of American copyright legislation, since he doesn't have gloves in Steamboat Willie and once the gloves are on the debate whether you are required to imitate art style to avoid copyright lawsuits or can just steal the character design takes center stage.

 

[Flexo]

I am going to defend Lucas here. From everything we know, this is in no way his fault.

The issue, at its core, for Lucas was that he is not getting younger and there was no one to 'take the flame' so to speak. No singular head at Lucas Films besides himself and thus Star Wars looked fit to die with him. So, he really only had two options:
1: Find someone to succeed him.
2: Sell to someone who could do it.

None of his kids wanted it, none of his staff were fit to take it, so it really only left 2.

Now, the obvious objection, "Well selling to Disney was a bad idea".
Well, then to whom? And it is not like Lucas just pawned it off willy nilly. He sold it to the person he had worked with before, someone he personally trusted. Bob Igor. Now, Disney gets a lot of hate in here, and not entirely without merit, but Igor is not at fault for Star War becoming a complete trash show, but we'll get to that. For now, all you need to understand is that Lucas had worked with and was friends with Bob Igor.

Now, before leaving Lucas wrote up what he had planned and presented it. Igor said they would take it on advisement, never rejecting or accepting it outright. To then ensure his will, Lucas made the person at the head of it be someone he trusted. Kathleen Kennedy. A woman who he had worked with for quite some time, who had a pedigree, and who was on good terms with Lucas. Someone who he believed would advocate for his ideas.

Now, here is where it comes together. Lucas has, at this time, given the franchise to someone he was given reason to rust, ensured there was someone high up to advocate for the films, and provided what he could to put the new trilogy on the right path. He has, at this point, done literally everything he could.

So, what went wrong? Well, its the same reason I need to preemptively defend Bob Igor. Kathleen Kennedy happened. Lucas had installed someone he thought eh could trust, and Igor saw someone who would make fairly 'standard' Star Wars movies to ensure they made bank on a costly purchase. Instead, Kennedy revealed her stripes as an ideologue and UTTER lunatic. She immediately made it clear she was not going to defend a single thing Lucas wanted, which Suited Igor who didn't want to take any of the Risks Lucas did, but then made every decisions possible that could piss of the fans,m which fucked over Igor.

Put simply, the fault lies not with Lucas, but with the woman who backstabbed everybody.

Again, watch the last video on this page, it goes over the sale to Disney.

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To sum up: Bob Iger had been courting Lucas for awhile. It was Disney acquiring Marvel and leaving Kevin Feige in charge that convinced Lucas the mouse would be a good steward of his child.

Yes. Marvel is responsible for Star Wars being sold to Disney.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Who will no doubt argue that the copyright still subsists in later depictions of Mickey and that your derivative Rule 34 of Mickey and/or Minnie getting SKAVENED is a derivative work of those later forms of Mickey.

Oh, it isn't Rule 34 but Mickey damn well got Skavened officially at one point.

I can't wait for this version of Mickey (Runaway Brain, 1995) to fall into public domain.

 

[Antipathy]

Sure, why not. Let's see if average people can consistently do better with their recipe versions. Even their worst attempts can't be much worse than Disney's cheap overpriced slop.

Fuck it. I'm not a chef, I have no access to cooking stuff, and I have no idea what I'm doing. If some brave Kiwi wants to try this recipe, go on ahead. It's probably not going to work, but hey, it'll be an attempt. Let me try and make a themed dish, let's see how things go. This is right off the top of my head, no prep, no testing. This won't work, but with tweaking it could in theory.


THE KRAYT DRAGON
You'll need:
1 16 oz. steak, uncooked.
Salt and pepper, to taste
1 jalapeno
1/2 a lemon
1/2 a lime
1/4th a clove of garlic
water
2 tsp onion powder
A few chives.

First, make peace with God, since this will probably turn out disastrously.

Juice the lemon and lime into a food processor. Then, with a fork or similar instrument, scrape the pulp into the processor as well. Set the jalapeno on fire for no reason, then extinguish it, remove the stem, and throw it into the food processor. Finely chop the chives before throwing them in as well. Add water until you have enough liquid to fill a small bowl, then salt, pepper, and onion powder. Toss the garlic in there too.

Blend this mixture until it is watery and does not have any significant chunks. If need be, pass it through a strainer, pressing down firmly on the strainer to extract as much liquid as possible. Pour the liquid into a bowl as you scrape small channels into the steak. Once you do so, put the steak in this horrible mixture and let stand for a few hours.

Then cook the steak as normal.

 

[Marissa Moira]

HBO Max?

I think it's one of the HBO ones they have like 2-3.

 

[Vault Boy]

Optics. Kennedy is one of the few female executives in the industry. Additionally, firing an executive in the middle of the uproar that came after The Last Jedi reeks a bit too much of bowing to pressure. All signs show that instead Igor has relegated her to executive in name only and assumed direct control until a replacement is found.

Kennedy's time is limited, Igor is likely simply waiting for a better time to and to have a better public reason. Like a major franchise film under-performing.

There's also the matter of finding someone that actually wants to be in charge of a series going through such a rough patch.

Outside of The Mandalorian, Jedi: Fallen Order, and some books, just about everything released since late 2017 has underperformed or caused some sort of controversy. All under the leadership of Kennedy, but a replacement would inherit new potential controversies from the leftover projects. Frankly, I wouldn't envy the poor bastard that has to pick up the pieces and distance Star Wars from the ST.