Telegram has finally cracked down on Islamist terrorism. Will it do the same for the far-right? - you white people need to get off our fucking internet already

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Telegram has finally cracked down on Islamist terrorism. Will it do the same for the far-right?
By Rita Katz


Rita Katz is the executive director of the SITE Intelligence Group and a terrorism analyst.

It was a big deal when accounts for the Islamic State and al-Qaeda started disappearing from the Telegram messaging app over the past month. For years, the platform has served as the central medium for extremist groups to radicalize and recruit members.

But through some new sense of determination, Telegram has finally kicked Islamist militants off their main hub, marking a level of disruption for the extremist groups never seen before. This raises a new question: Will Telegram apply the same determination to the equally dangerous far-right terrorists on its platform?

Telegram, launched in 2013 by self-described libertarian Pavel Durov, was designed to offer encrypted communication with an emphasis on protecting privacy and avoiding censorship. That has made it popular in autocratic countries such as Russia, pulling in hundreds of millions of active users. But it has also attracted bad actors who want to organize in the shadows. And unlike platforms such as Twitter and Facebook, Telegram has long resisted cracking down on extremist groups using its services.

That changed most dramatically in mid-November when, with the help of European law enforcement, Telegram began targeting individual users and administrators, hitting everyone from the Islamic State’s central media workers to its supporters distributing its content. Telegram seems to have employed a widely aimed algorithm that targeted not only these Islamist militants but also journalists and researchers embedded in these communities. Even backup accounts were deleted, and when operatives and supporters created new ones, they were quickly removed, as well.

Terrorist networks started panicking. Many didn’t have a backup platform to Telegram and lost many contacts. In the Nov. 28 edition of its Naba newsletter, the Islamic State urged steadfastness from its media distributors: “Just as jihad is ongoing until the end of time and nothing can stop it.”

The group’s network of aligned media groups urged the same, issuing a counter-campaign of threats and incitements against Telegram and all of the West. “You can’t delete the Khilafah [Caliphate],” read one post by an Islamic-State-linked media group. Another post by the group threatened: “Your campaign on Telegram will complicate the situation, the ‘Ansar’ [Islamic State supporters] will spread everywhere, the goal will become hidden, and it will spread the thought secretly.”

Without an online base, the extremist groups are now strewn across applications like TamTam, Riot, Rocket Chat, Threema and Conversation as they scramble to find a new platform. The Internet is a critical lifeblood for terrorists, so they are more disoriented online now than they have been since they embraced social media in the early 2010s. This is progress, no doubt.

But why did it take so long for Telegram to act with such aggression? And will it do the same against the equally threatening neo-Nazi terrorists on its platform?

After the March 15 attack on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, the far-right embraced Telegram as its main hub. The far-right’s migration to the platform has given it far more outreach tools than it had on other platforms in its orbit, such as 8chan, resulting in skyrocketing far-right usership. As my organization has found, in a selected sample of 374 far-right channels and chat groups on Telegram, almost 80 percent were created between the March 15 attack and Oct. 30. The number of users in this community likewise increased: A selected sample of far-right channels created in May 2019 collectively increased their memberships by 117 percent from 65,523 to 142,486 by the end of October.

Neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups now have in Telegram a centralized operational venue to network, recruit and distribute attack manuals, just as the Islamic State had for years. Features such as media sharing, one-to-one chats and reposting from other channels and users is helping to weave the far-right’s various sub-movements together, effectively building a unified umbrella of groups and ideologies.

Thus far, this far-right user population has carried on largely uninterrupted on Telegram. While the Islamic State was forced to keep its channels and chat groups private, those of the far-right are anything but hidden. We have found that of 249 far-right channels, 92 percent were public. Of 125 far-right chat groups, 57 percent were public. To this day, manifestos and attack footage from events such as Christchurch and the October shooting at a synagogue in Halle, Germany, are disseminated freely across the platform.

The world doesn’t need to be convinced of the threat of the far-right. People see it all the time, from the all-too-frequent acts of violence from far-right gunmen to the emboldened neo-Nazi groups organizing across the West. And it’s only becoming worse as the community coalesces around one platform, Telegram, which enables the far-right to grow far faster than it did when dispersed across platforms.

Telegram has now proven it is capable of virtually purging an entire terrorist community within days. Just like any platform with such facilities, they must accept their responsibility to enact it to all terrorist threats.
 
The crazies are the ones doing the pushing. They may suppress some wacko voices, but mostly the intent/result is to prevent people from having community outside of media-approved venues. Propaganda dependent on myth and falsehood must exist in a vacuum or else it loses its efficacy. The truth resonates clarion and spreads like wildfire, whereas lies must be continuously hammered into the skulls of its targets to maintain its grip.
Both the people pushing and being pushed are crazies, but normal, sane people are also being attacked by collateral.

If we talk about the danger, the far right is on top. Look at europe.

Yeah all those Muslims killing people, raping women, destroying neighborhoods. Trucks of peace! Far right in Europe just means "maybe we shouldn't have socialism for non-citizens." That's how far left they all went, and normal thinking looks radical when that's how far gone you are.
 
"Telegram kicked off terrorists who organize and commit fatal attacks fairly frequently, when are they going to kick off people who by and large are just edgy shitposters who don't have the balls to even leave the basement?"

Seriously at least go for the puppy and kid rapists before bothering with dumb /pol/ rejects.
 
Why don't terrorists create their own app, own internet and own channels of communication, cause this is what is going to happen next.

Iran already has their closed off state approved internet and Russia is doing it next. The Chinese are masters of it.
 
If Telegram can read your messages how is it secure?

Why hasn't someone invented a completely private app in which data is encrypted on the users device so content can not be moderated?
If we talk about the danger, the far right is on top. Look at europe.

Wrong. Far-Right members dont rape children and women by the thousands, or commit stabbings and bombings everyday.
 
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I like how the dominant reaction ITT to some sped going "hurr right-wing violence is up right now" isn't to point out how violence in general is super down compared to 20 years ago, and the various agencies responsible for tracking those statistics have a very permissive definition of "right wing" vs a very restrictive definition of "left wing", but instead to sperg about how right wing violence is totally justified.
 
I like how the dominant reaction ITT to some sped going "hurr right-wing violence is up right now" isn't to point out how violence in general is super down compared to 20 years ago, and the various agencies responsible for tracking those statistics have a very permissive definition of "right wing" vs a very restrictive definition of "left wing", but instead to sperg about how right wing violence is totally justified.
As if the facts matter to them one way or another.
 
If Telegram can read your messages how is it secure?

Why hasn't someone invented a completely private app in which data is encrypted on the users device so content can not be moderated?


Wrong. Far-Right members dont rape children and women by the thousands, or commit stabbings and bombings everyday.
Supposedly Signal is that for messaging, but it doesn't have the channel capabilities of Telegram. It is end-to-end encrypted altogether, and supposedly secure. I have heard some grumbling about its security, but I think the consensus was that its solid.

All of its clients are pretty crappy compared to Telegram, which has long been one of the best messaging apps on mobile and desktop. Even if it did have private channels, like Telegram, anyone could subscribe to them and then report the content to the ADL and then the hunt would begin anew.

You can't hide from jewish power for long. If they don't own it, they at least control it; what they don't control, they can buy; what they can't buy, they smash. Telegram will capitulate, there is no doubt.
 
You might think you're joking with the subtitle, but I had a prof (a rather sensible liberal whose ideology and cultural reference pool was a time capsule from 2007) who claimed in a lecture about the history of IT that personal computers were jumpstarted by a bunch of hippies who wanted to stick it to IBM and their big mainframes by giving computer power to the people, and they beat IBM by being communistic enough to share ideas. So I wouldn't be surprised if the far-left argues "We created the internet, so don't bitch about us "stealing it", you colonizing bigots!" .
 
All that happens is that the far right will eventually go to Matrix, and you can't realistically kick them off there.
Of course, the author likely has a very expansive definition of far right like most of the people who constantly fret over statistical non entities.
 
So how does that actually work? What does Telegram's nebulous "algorithm" actually do?
Does Telegram listen in to the conversations to detect ISIS talk despite supposedly being encrypted? Is this some guilt by association thing and just bans everyone who talks to unwanted people? Do they just delete users the police tells them to?
The article even mentions that actual journalists are affected by it. But instead of exploring how this affects the privacy of Telegram's users they just act like this is some kind of serious blow against Islamic terrorism as if terrorists won't just pick another way to communicate instead.
 
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Oh sure, AFD are jew-lovers now. Like Hitler had a single jewish friend, so he is a jew-lover too... I know where this is going.
Sure, islamism is a serious problem and threat. But if you talk about the brown skins, how much of them are currently drowning in the sea because of immigrant-hating people in europe?
Pretty sure they're "drowning in the sea" because their homeland is a violent shit-hole which they had a major hand in creating, and the reason you have so many "immigrant-hating people in Europe" is because every place that gets a bunch of immigrants turns into the same kind of shit-hole.
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This, and the whole "Jews were the great victims of the early 20th" line is a joke. You most likely had more victims in Holodomor alone with estimates ranging from 3 to 12 million dead, and that's only talking about one incident spanning between 1932-1933. This, and other abuses against white Christians was carried out almost exclusively by Jewish Commissars, whom were inspired by a Jewish "philosopher" (Marx). Not only that, but the six gorillion number mostly comes from those same Jewish Commissars, since all of the death camps fell on the Soviet side of the border after WW2 ended.

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So how does that actually work? What does Telegram's nebulous "algorithm" actually do?
Does Telegram listen in to the conversations to detect ISIS talk despite supposedly being encrypted? Is this some guilt by association thing and just bans everyone who talks to unwanted people? Do they just delete users the police tells them to?
The article even mentions that actual journalists are affected by it. But instead of exploring how this affects the privacy of Telegram's users they just act like this is some kind of serious blow against Islamic terrorism as if terrorists won't just pick another way to communicate instead.

They don't give a shit about stopping terrorism. It's just the excuse they're using to crack down on their enemies' ability to speak freely.
 
Pretty sure they're "drowning in the sea" because their homeland is a violent shit-hole which they had a major hand in creating, and the reason you have so many "immigrant-hating people in Europe" is because every place that gets a bunch of immigrants turns into the same kind of shit-hole.
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This, and the whole "Jews were the great victims of the early 20th" line is a joke. You most likely had more victims in Holodomor alone with estimates ranging from 3 to 12 million dead, and that's only talking about one incident spanning between 1932-1933. This, and other abuses against white Christians was carried out almost exclusively by Jewish Commissars, whom were inspired by a Jewish "philosopher" (Marx). Not only that, but the six gorillion number mostly comes from those same Jewish Commissars, since all of the death camps fell on the Soviet side of the border after WW2 ended.

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The funny thing is that you think it is just a /pol/ meme until you get to university and everything is just as bad as they describe it. During my first semester I found out my school has a larger collection of leftist rags than chemistry textbooks; degeneracy like, "Tales from the Clit, Female Liberation by Pornography". I have noted that both of my Jewish professors are peddlers of degeneracy as well. One of them preforms abortions and the other talks about Jews being crucified alive by Nazis. Then there are these little soy boy whites who protest around campus about raising black enrollment.

The thing is on a personal level I like both of these Jewish professors, especially the second one. However, the correlation I have observed between cancerous traitors of progressive vile, and Jews, can not be ignored in my mind. I am reminded of it daily when I check the news and see articles by (((steins))) and (((bergs))).

It absolutely kills me inside.
 
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The funny thing is that you think it is just a /pol/ meme until you get to university and everything is just as bad as they describe it. During my first semester I found out my school has a larger collection of leftist rags than chemistry textbooks; degeneracy like, "Tales from the Clit, Female Liberation by Pornography". I have noted that both of my Jewish professors are peddlers of degeneracy as well. One of them preforms abortions and the other talks about Jews being crucified alive by Nazis. Then there are these little soy boy whits who protest around campus about raising black enrollment.

The thing is on a personal level I like both of these Jewish professors, especially the second one. However, the correlation I have observed between cancerous traitors of progressive vile, and Jews, can not be ignored in my mind. I am reminded of it daily when I check the news and see articles by (((steins))) and (((bergs))).

It absolutely kills me inside.
>Jews being crucified alive by Nazis
What blows my mind about that kind of shit is that most people find that entirely believable, but the idea that the USSR manipulated the numbers to their political advantage somehow violates the laws of the universe; even though that kind of thing has been commonplace in warfare throughout all of recorded history.
 
Thats not an argument. What came first? Meh...



If we talk about the danger, the far right is on top. Look at europe.
Europe is more in danger from leftists firing rockets at nuclear power plants and muzzies driving trucks of peace into christmas markets than the far right doing shit.
 
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