Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Rob_Mercury]

Rian Johnson really fucked this up. Which begs the question on why no one stopped him? I really dont believe that anyone with half a brain couldnt see what he was doing.

Yeah why no one stopped Rian is still something I have to wrap my head around.

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If my knowledge of how movie production works is right, the producer (Kennedy) still had to approve his script. In his Last Forcebender video, E;R shows the now deleted tweet of Johnson about his creative control. Kennedy herself admitted so much

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How Disney accepted this I can't even comprehend. Maybe they we're afraid that they would go over budget or believed it to be passable like TFA, convinced that no Star Wars movie could ever tank at the box office. I wonder how they felt after Solo released.

 

[DrunkJoe]

10 years ago if you would have said that someone would make star wars movies that were way worse than the pts I wouldn't have beleived you.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah why no one stopped Rian is still something I have to wrap my head around.



If my knowledge of how movie production works is right, the producer (Kennedy) still had to approve his script. In his Last Forcebender video, E;R shows the now deleted tweet of Johnson about his creative control. Kennedy herself admitted so much


How Disney accepted this I can't even comprehend. Maybe they we're afraid that they would go over budget or believed it to be passable like TFA, convinced that no Star Wars movie could ever tank at the box office. I wonder how they felt after Solo released.

Because KK is a fucking Administrative Assistant and knows where bodies are buried and who to talk to about getting shit done. She is SHIT for creative talent, shit for BEING the person to force someone to get shit done, she is only good at being the middle person and not being THE person. She's a goddamn leader by committee and the same person who takes notes in meetings and then makes folks follow up. She's a product manager not a product OWNER, for those in the corporate world you know the difference. KK doesn't have the leadership skills to tell people "No this is shit, don't do that." and instead is the absolute OPPOSITE of being hands on, boots on the ground, in the trenches getting shit done Michael Cimino Heaven's Gate style.

When people said "She was basically a secretary at LF" they weren't far off.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Was searching "Fandom Menace" because this term keeps popping up here and elsewhere lately and discovered that according to Wookieepedia, it's a hate group.

Yeah, a main series Star Wars film -- the most famous film franchise in the world, hands down -- is getting BTFO in online interest by a streaming television show available on only one service that had an incredibly rocky and controversial launch, smack dab in the middle of that film's pre-release marketing surge. The film's opening-weekend tracking is still trending down, and online ticket vendors that aren't owned by Disney are saying it's not meeting sales expectations.

A week or two, I was saying there's a miniscule, but not to be discounted, chance the movie won't break even. But seeing this last round of metrics, I'm beginning to think it may actually happen depending on how much those rewrites, reshoots, and extra effects work inflated the budget. You can figure the movie probably had the same $300m budget TFA and TLJ did, and if it had Solo's level of budget bloat it may well need to make $1.5bn at the box office just to hit break-even.

The Mandalorian likely saved this movie from a total disaster by getting people talking about Star Wars in general which will cause more ticket sales for this movie. So unfortunately I think this will still squeak past a billion, especially since Disney will do all the funny tricks in the world to make sure it does (unless it does really poorly, like 800 million or below).

 

[Jaimas]

Rian Johnson really fucked this up. Which begs the question on why no one stopped him? I really dont believe that anyone with half a brain couldnt see what he was doing. Without Rian we could have had something serviceable if not a bit bland. But now we had to leave it up to Jew Jew Abrams to salvage it. I know he is a skilled writer( he did write that spiderman comic after all). But judging by the leaks, not even the the director of the acclaimed director of Star Trek: Into Darkness could salvage this.

If I had to hazard a guess? Hubris.

Kennedy and her ilk have made absolutely clear that they feel nothing but sneering contempt for the existing fanbase and they wanted the fanbase to change to something it wasn't. They felt that through the strength of the IP, the fanbase would shut up and consume mindlessly, not realizing that even that has limits.

In their eyes, nuking the slate and destroying everything of value was perfectly justifiable because it will get rid of the complete autists in the fandom (and replace them with an even more autistic fandom). However, they killed everything of value that was there, including the better parts of TFA, and in so doing, cut their nose off to spite their face.

Their arrogance brought them here, and it is in that arrogance that they shall drown.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Was searching "Fandom Menace" because this term keeps popping up here and elsewhere lately and discovered that according to Wookieepedia, it's a hate group.

Well yeah, we hate Disney Star Wars.

 

[Pol Pots Pooter]

So unfortunately I think this will still squeak past a billion, especially since Disney will do all the funny tricks in the world to make sure it does (unless it does really poorly, like 800 million or below).

No way it doesn't clear a billion. If I had to bet, I'd say it'll probably make as much as TLJ give or take a hundred million, unless the unthinkable happens and Abrams managed to make a good movie despite himself. The $64,000 question is how badly did the clusterfuck production run up the budget, and how much beyond that is the movie going to have to make in box office to break even.

If the movie fails to break even, it'll be entirely due to budget overruns.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I love how Oscar Isaac thinks we’re too afraid for a Poe/Finn gay couple when people were pissed when Brokeback Mountain lost Best Picture to Crash.

 

[Adamska]

That's honestly what I would've done. The galaxy is a big place with countless stories that could be told that don't even need to be connected to one another or even need to take place in the same confined time period and locations Disney has limited it too. As movies, the idea would be a bit risky (at least not as a regular thing, or maybe as made-for-tv or streaming service films), but I definitely would've gone with animated or live-action miniseries or one shots but not in the nature of that godawful Forces of Destiny cartoon, but rather in the same vein as those Galaxy of Adventures shorts on youtube (the show's title is awfully ironic since it just re-explores and neuters the same adventure we've been told a million times without actually exploring a galaxy's worth of adventures). Or better yet something in the same vein as Genndy's shorts or a bit longer. Ranging from simple comedic stories like the rise and fall of the Modal Nodes or something on a bigger scale like a badass fight sequence in a Rattataki arena featuring as many fucked up SW monsters and gladiators as possible while this is blasted in the background.
Just going all out.
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But those can't use the movies and memberberries, and might be risky. The Rat can't abide risk, not a word in Iger's vocabulary unless it involves putting your company in the red trying to buy all the IP in the world.

So instead here's the worst parts of Dark Empires as done by a hack of a writer obsessed with his own fanfiction for money grubbing reasons, under a mid level manager who should have stayed a mid level manager.

I love how Oscar Isaac thinks we’re too afraid for a Poe/Finn gay couple when people were pissed when Brokeback Mountain lost Best Picture to Crash.

That's why I think they're desperate since this is the same shit that movies that are known to have a broken production do; blame the audience and push for wokeshit.

It's retarded because it ain't the fans; it's the company who wants to ride the Chinese dragon that will not make any wokeshit ever happen in the movies besides ex cathedra bullshit from fat fuck Hidalgo or the Ollies liners from Marvel or other shit writers.

 

[Dom Cruise]

10 years ago if you would have said that someone would make star wars movies that were way worse than the pts I wouldn't have beleived you.

I know, it’s unreal.

I love how Oscar Isaac thinks we’re too afraid for a Poe/Finn gay couple when people were pissed when Brokeback Mountain lost Best Picture to Crash.

And that was 14 years ago too.

 

[verissimus]

10 years ago if you would have said that someone would make star wars movies that were way worse than the pts I wouldn't have beleived you.

Yeah but who honestly would have thought anyone (Lucas or Disney) would have tried actually continuing off of the original trilogy? I mean, I know Lucas had some ideas, but that was probably it. Just some ideas, and I highly doubt they were good ones or good enough at any rate.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Yeah but who honestly would have thought anyone (Lucas or Disney) would have tried actually continuing off of the original trilogy? I mean, I know Lucas had some ideas, but that was probably it. Just some ideas, and I highly doubt they were good ones or good enough at any rate.

And that's the rub, no matter what people would have hated the ST.

Disney though made it worse with their Jihad against the fanbase.

 

[Gehenna]

Harold Ramis is dead, but they're still making another Ghostbusters that ignores Paul Fag's entry. Either they get Hamill and Ford to do voices and recast Fisher, or recast all of them with look- or sound-alikes, depending on if they do live-action or animated content.

The thing is, this is not far off the mark for something that COULD be done (Whether it would or be done well is a separate issue).

Hell, they could even use it for good pandering, Have Mark Hammil and Harrison Ford do the casting, have them hand pick their own replacements, and have them jointly pick Carrier Fisher's replacement.

That would allow them to pick people they feel understand the core concept, and any issues outside of that can seriously be handwaved by "They were chosen by the former actor themselves" which would be a pretty good shield.

 

[Ghostse]

the same people who also hated the Prequels or Lucas' special editions yet still retardedly bought every single edition change in VHS, DVD, and Blu-Ray too.

Disney execs believe the "core" starwars fan is a mindless consumer whore who will continue to give them money no matter what, that they will consume Star Wars product no matter how shitty Disney treats the franchise or the fans; that a core facet of their identity is giving money to who ever holds the rights to Star Wars either directly, by buying tickets & media, or indirectly by buying licensed product.

Even if you find that view offensive, its hard to disagree with them reaching that conclusion given disturbing number of fans who continue to behave in exactly that manner. With limp excuses.

"Its not nuWars stuff"
"I have to see how it ends! Its a failure anyway"

That doesn't factor in when they look at quarter end sales. If people are giving money to the Rat despite what it's doing to the Star Wars, and letting the likes of Cuck Wendig do to Star Wars, they shouldn't wonder why Disney keeps turning out utter shit Star Wars media.

Rate me Mad or whatever because I'm calling people who are technically adults out on being unable to stop buying toys, comics, or movie tickets.

Because you, the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now.

who are you even quoting bro?

It looks like they all knew who they are.

 

[madethistocomment]

The thing is, this is not far off the mark for something that COULD be done (Whether it would or be done well is a separate issue).

Hell, they could even use it for good pandering, Have Mark Hammil and Harrison Ford do the casting, have them hand pick their own replacements, and have them jointly pick Carrier Fisher's replacement.

That would allow them to pick people they feel understand the core concept, and any issues outside of that can seriously be handwaved by "They were chosen by the former actor themselves" which would be a pretty good shield.

If they ever go that route (which they likely won't but let's just pretend for a minute), I bet 50 bucks that Mark Hamill would pick Sebastian Stan to play a younger Luke. The man's a dead ringer for him, to the point of where both have jokingly referred to Mark as Seb's long-lost father.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Disney execs believe the "core" starwars fan is a mindless consumer whore who will continue to give them money no matter what, that they will consume Star Wars product no matter how shitty Disney treats the franchise or the fans; that a core facet of their identity is giving money to who ever holds the rights to Star Wars either directly, by buying tickets & media, or indirectly by buying licensed product.

Even if you find that view offensive, its hard to disagree with them reaching that conclusion given disturbing number of fans who continue to behave in exactly that manner. With limp excuses.

"Its not nuWars stuff"
"I have to see how it ends! Its a failure anyway"

That doesn't factor in when they look at quarter end sales. If people are giving money to the Rat despite what it's doing to the Star Wars, and letting the likes of Cuck Wendig do to Star Wars, they shouldn't wonder why Disney keeps turning out utter shit Star Wars media.

Rate me Mad or whatever because I'm calling people who are technically adults out on being unable to stop buying toys, comics, or movie tickets.

Because you, the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now.




It looks like they all knew who they are.

I want to see exactly how bad the Master and Apprentice novel is. Yo-ho-ho...

edit: To give an idea of how "popular" the new books are, it was several months after it was published before anybody bothered to post it to libgen.

 

[Love Machine]

Disney execs believe the "core" starwars fan is a mindless consumer whore who will continue to give them money no matter what, that they will consume Star Wars product no matter how shitty Disney treats the franchise or the fans; that a core facet of their identity is giving money to who ever holds the rights to Star Wars either directly, by buying tickets & media, or indirectly by buying licensed product.
Even if you find that view offensive, its hard to disagree with them reaching that conclusion given disturbing number of fans who continue to behave in exactly that manner. With limp excuses.
"Its not nuWars stuff"
"I have to see how it ends! Its a failure anyway"
That doesn't factor in when they look at quarter end sales. If people are giving money to the Rat despite what it's doing to the Star Wars, and letting the likes of Cuck Wendig do to Star Wars, they shouldn't wonder why Disney keeps turning out utter shit Star Wars media.
Rate me Mad or whatever because I'm calling people who are technically adults out on being unable to stop buying toys, comics, or movie tickets.
Because you, the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now.

Ive always found that just buying exactly what you want gets the point across. Just not engaging with disney at all isnt gonna send them a message on what people actually want. Sure they could listen the the voices on twitter, but that's retarded. The reason why something like the mandalorian got green lit is because Disney saw (surprising no one) that Boba Fett stuff always does really fucking well.

You should be able to buy what you want if you want it. Thats not to say the people who buy literally everything that comes out arent problems, but thats more of a problem with their brain. If you like stormtroopers. Sure, buy a stormtrooper action figure, youll get more characters that look like stormtroopers. Cutting cold turkey in some sort of protest goes about as well as the occupy protests.

As for overall numbers, merch is in the shitter compared to prequel stuff, and thats because one of your previous statements is wrong, the people like the people in this thread who still buy stuff almost have no effect on overall merch sales. Its all children, and children just arent asking for rose and holdo figures. The "hardcore" fans or even older star wars fans barely factor in. Also, as for buying tickets, the over all success of the movies is secondary to this franchise and its naive to think otherwise, the already mentioned merch is what matters. Whether the movie is critically panned or loved, if it flops or makes 10 times its budget. What matters is the merch.

While I do understand where you are coming from, its just a naive stance. Also it does make you come off as MATI.

 

[Adamska]

Ive always found that just buying exactly what you want gets the point across. Just not engaging with disney at all isnt gonna send them a message on what people actually want. Sure they could listen the the voices on twitter, but that's exceptional. The reason why something like the mandalorian got green lit is because Disney saw (surprising no one) that Boba Fett stuff always does really fucking well.

You should be able to buy what you want if you want it. Thats not to say the people who buy literally everything that comes out arent problems, but thats more of a problem with their brain. If you like stormtroopers. Sure, buy a stormtrooper action figure, youll get more characters that look like stormtroopers. Cutting cold turkey in some sort of protest goes about as well as the occupy protests.

As for overall numbers, merch is in the shitter compared to prequel stuff, and thats because one of your previous statements is wrong, the people like the people in this thread who still buy stuff almost have no effect on overall merch sales. Its all children, and children just arent asking for rose and holdo figures. The "hardcore" fans or even older star wars fans barely factor in. Also, as for buying tickets, the over all success of the movies is secondary to this franchise and its naive to think otherwise, the already mentioned merch is what matters. Whether the movie is critically panned or loved, if it flops or makes 10 times its budget. What matters is the merch.

While I do understand where you are coming from, its just a naive stance. Also it does make you come off as MATI.

The toyaholic rationalizes their manchild obsessions and inability to not consume product and wait for next product in the same way an alkie pretends they too don't have a problem.

And I'm mostly saying this because unlike most corporate people in the past, this current batch would rather go homeless and bankrupt rather than actually see their sales and see what works and caters to it. This tactic you do does not work when the company will willingly slice its own throats due to refusing to change for politics or feedbackophobia. You need a full tear down on management before I can hope again.

 

[Spoonge]

Disney execs believe the "core" starwars fan is a mindless consumer whore who will continue to give them money no matter what, that they will consume Star Wars product no matter how shitty Disney treats the franchise or the fans; that a core facet of their identity is giving money to who ever holds the rights to Star Wars either directly, by buying tickets & media, or indirectly by buying licensed product.

Even if you find that view offensive, its hard to disagree with them reaching that conclusion given disturbing number of fans who continue to behave in exactly that manner. With limp excuses.

"Its not nuWars stuff"
"I have to see how it ends! Its a failure anyway"

That doesn't factor in when they look at quarter end sales. If people are giving money to the Rat despite what it's doing to the Star Wars, and letting the likes of Cuck Wendig do to Star Wars, they shouldn't wonder why Disney keeps turning out utter shit Star Wars media.

Rate me Mad or whatever because I'm calling people who are technically adults out on being unable to stop buying toys, comics, or movie tickets.

Because you, the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now.




It looks like they all knew who they are.

Star Wars fans ARE mindless whores. At least all the ones I've met outside this thread. Allow me to provide anecdotal evidence.
My friend, who is normally a very smart man, went and saw TFA and he said it wasnt that good at all. He then went and saw TLJ and proceeded to spend several hours razing it to the ground in front of me. He swore he'd never go and see another Star Wars movie again.

The dumb fucker went and saw Soylo and spent several hours bitching about it to me after.

He is now bragging about how good the Mandalorian is. I can't wait for the other shoe to drop on his dumb ass so I can overdose on schadenfreude and finally shuffle off this mortal coil.

I just dont understand. Why the fuck do you keep going? They called me paranoid for waiting to see if TFA would be any good (I remember Star Trek JarJar you useless hack, I remember) but I was vindicated and it has coloured all my interactions with post-Lucas Star Wars. I haven't touched a single piece of Disneywars media, haven't played a single game, haven't read a single comic, haven't watched a single episode of a single tv show, because I saw the writing on the wall after TFA's rather lackluster response in certain circles and now the extent of my participating in this fandom (god that word sucks) is to watch it burn with you fucks.

I havent been burned at all by Disney Wars, he has. He's spent maybe, what, 100 bucks if you include popcorn and shit? And I can guarantee you he'll still go and see TROS.

So yes, it seems that when it comes to Star Wars, the fans are mindlesss whores. Even when they aren't in the rest of their lives.

 

[Love Machine]

The toyaholic rationalizes their manchild obsessions and inability to not consume product and wait for next product in the same way an alkie pretends they too don't have a problem.

And I'm mostly saying this because unlike most corporate people in the past, this current batch would rather go homeless and bankrupt rather than actually see their sales and see what works. You need a full tear down on management before I can hope again.

Hey man, I get most of my fix on other franchises. Dont slonder me so.