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Ah, this is an interesting perspective then. All things being equal, would you say your teenage self found him more entertaining than your adult self? I'd assume you see through the bullshit more now than when you were little. I'm actually a few years older than Dave, so I don't have that kind of perspective. I used to upload a lot of vlogs back then, it was really a wild west kind of place then. I kinda miss it, people like VideoCompiler making WoW soundboards and shit.

I mean, seeing through "the bullshit" he didn't really have that much bullshit back then. I mean he was always bad at games, if you haven't seen his final like, 3-4 videos of Prototype 1? I suggest you go watch it. That was some good rage. But aside from being bad at games there was never anyone shit like charging 2,000$ to say he had a cat.

As for the entertainment stuff. Iunno, it was over 10 years ago. I guess the one constant is I always enjoyed seeing how bad he was at games.
 
It's a video I saw once, was live for like a day, before Phil DMCA'd it. People have mentioned here how Phil has a weird fixation on Latino women, like how all his stories during Ask The King about his high school are all the hot mexican chicks wanting his dick.

Well that's because Phil jerks off to latino porn. Phil uploaded a video once of him screaming at his fans for not migrating to whatever the fuck channel he was shilling at the time. TheKingOfHateHD or some shit. And during it he went over to his computer, opened the tabs to show his fans what channel to go too, and some detractor isolated that part of the video and zoomed in on the tabs, and one of them was just "Xx Hot Latino bitch takes it up the ass xX"

I've never seen anyone else reference that video and because Phil spews out so much shit I couldn't tell you which video it was. But it happened. I saw it.
I do remember the original video. That's the one where he claimed he was drunk out of his mind due to low views depressing him, and he didn't mean it because he insulted and swore at his "lazy" fans, so he deleted it.

Didn't know about the porn tab though. That's hilarious.
 
Oh uh. Another tidbit I remembered people might care to know. I mean I know you guys already know the whole, "Phil absolutely checks in on detractor channels/kiwifarms" but I thought I'd give some personal evidence that isn't conjecture.

Back on DSPCultLeaders channel, I had a discussion with some of the guys there on their youtube page, back when you could leave comments. I was later blocked from commenting on Phils TheKingofHate channel, I'd never commented on it before.
 
I remember watching something, where he was complaining about the govt expecting him to magically predict how much money he would make at the end of the year so he could pay quarterly taxes

paying an estimate, then making up the difference, or applying for a refund seems to be some alien concept to him

That's DSP's biggest financial problem; he sees taxes as a bill instead of a percentage of his income.

If he set aside 40% of his tips, Twitch payments, Youtube Adsense, Patreon, et cetera, he wouldn't have a problem with his taxes.

But DSP is incapable of long term planning or just not spending money as fast as he gets it.
 
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March 24th 2009 for me. Back when YT was good for info on games/DLC.
That it was. I also took notice of him 2009 looking for a Ghostbusters playthrough. Back then, he was watchable, but already a bit annoying due to his childish burping throughout his videos. Lost sight of him when he was starting co-ops with JR. I stumbled over him again sometime after his move to his adult house, right on time for the Leanna breakdown saga. Unfortunate, yes, but then again, because of that I also discovered the KFF with all those beautiful autistic faggots around. Felt just like coming home.


Good timing mate.
 
I know a lot of detractors have all these opinions of "PHILS A HORRIBLE SCAM ARTIST AND AN EVIL PERSON" and let me tell you. After 10 years of watching/following Phil. My honest opinion of him? I honestly think he's too stupid for morality. I don't think Phils a bad or malicious person. I think he's just too stupid for that. I think he honestly doesn't see anything wrong in what he's doing because he's too dumb to have the capacity to view that side of morality. So I never grew to hate phil or realized he was a bad person, because he's little more than a stupid child. He's not malicious in his actions, he just quite literally doesn't know any better.

I think this is only half true. For starters, DSP is not too stupid for morality; He might be way to the left of the curve, but he's not clinically exceptional. This is evident in the fact DSP does sometimes make morality-based arguments (Genuine or not), which means that at least is capable of understanding it, if only by mimicry. There's also that he regularly lies, and while some (Mostly those about debunking/retconning the past, but also the input lag being between his brain and fingers) could legitimately be him having delusions, there are definitely instances when his lies are based on current, factual events - such as him reading guides in secret, the Jasper reveal, his tax problems being at least exaggerated, and so many others. It would take such a staggering resistance to cognitive dissonance for him to actually not realize he is lying (Something he blames others for regularly, mind you, so again, you can't say he doesn't know it's wrong) that I don't believe he can possibly not consider himself dishonest to some extent.

Now, however, I'll agree that morality probably doesn't cross his mind too often either. He's very intellectually (Well, physically too, but that's another subject) lazy, and I can definitely believe that during the whole "Leanna had a panic attack" arc, he did not realize how much of a d#ck he was, despite it being cited as one of the most heinous things he's done. He is, as you said, very childish and stupid, and going beyond the instinctive "Anybody who harms me is bad" morality does take a bit of thinking, which is not something he likes, so unless the immorality of what he does is extremely obvious (Which is something that happens regularly, so not a defense for all of his moral failures), yes, I will agree that it is possible he simply does not realize it.

Besides, I'd like to add that not being fully aware of what you are doing does not change what you are doing. He might not realize - or not want to realize - that he is a scam artist, but he is.
 
I think this is only half true. For starters, DSP is not too stupid for morality; He might be way to the left of the curve, but he's not clinically exceptional. This is evident in the fact DSP does sometimes make morality-based arguments (Genuine or not), which means that at least is capable of understanding it, if only by mimicry. There's also that he regularly lies, and while some (Mostly those about debunking/retconning the past, but also the input lag being between his brain and fingers) could legitimately be him having delusions, there are definitely instances when his lies are based on current, factual events - such as him reading guides in secret, the Jasper reveal, his tax problems being at least exaggerated, and so many others. It would take such a staggering resistance to cognitive dissonance for him to actually not realize he is lying (Something he blames others for regularly, mind you, so again, you can't say he doesn't know it's wrong) that I don't believe he can possibly not consider himself dishonest to some extent.

Now, however, I'll agree that morality probably doesn't cross his mind too often either. He's very intellectually (Well, physically too, but that's another subject) lazy, and I can definitely believe that during the whole "Leanna had a panic attack" arc, he did not realize how much of a d#ck he was, despite it being cited as one of the most heinous things he's done. He is, as you said, very childish and stupid, and going beyond the instinctive "Anybody who harms me is bad" morality does take a bit of thinking, which is not something he likes, so unless the immorality of what he does is extremely obvious (Which is something that happens regularly, so not a defense for all of his moral failures), yes, I will agree that it is possible he simply does not realize it.

Besides, I'd like to add that not being fully aware of what you are doing does not change what you are doing. He might not realize - or not want to realize - that he is a scam artist, but he is.

Someone who is so stupid they don't actively understand why what they're doing is bad is far less reprehensible to me than someone who is actively malicious. As for his level of intelligence, didn't he once in all honesty say there were only 7 million people on earth?

I mean don't get me wrong. Phil is a coward and doesn't deserve any of the money or "success" he has gotten and I think it'd be hilarious if he lost it all. But I don't hate him for anything he's done because I don't think he's done any of it intentionally. He's just stupid, not evil.
 
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I'm of the belief that Pig isn't fully stupid; he's just criminally intelectually lazy and degenerating due to refusing to do anything remotely stimulating beyond mindlessly watching netflix. He only turns on his brain if he believes it's worth it, which is only when his manchild lifestyle is on the line. Case in point how quickly he moves to contact and cry at services whenever he gets suspended.

Pig only gets moving when his money's on the line. Remember that.
 
Someone who is so stupid they don't actively understand why what they're doing is bad is far less reprehensible to me than someone who is actively malicious. As for his level of intelligence, didn't he once in all honesty say there were only 7 million people on earth?

I agree, that's why I specifically referred to him being a scam artist and not evil or a bad person - I think he is all of those, mind you, but you saying he's not the latter two holds, from your point of view. He is lying to swindle money out of people; Whether he does it intentionally or not is irrelevant to him being a scam artist, the act is all it takes.

As to the 7 million thing, you'd be surprised by how many people would be caught by that one, or similar issues with number scales. This is sort of like the whole Europe map fiasco; Yeah, we laugh at how stupid he is, but do remember a non-negligible percentage of the young adult US population can't put the US on a world map - this entire generation has problems with geography regardless of the country, but that particular example is very egregious and telling. This isn't so much him not being stupid as it is the average person being much dumber than most people think.
 
Someone who is so stupid they don't actively understand why what they're doing is bad is far less reprehensible to me than someone who is actively malicious. As for his level of intelligence, didn't he once in all honesty say there were only 7 million people on earth?

I mean don't get me wrong. Phil is a coward and doesn't deserve any of the money or "success" he has gotten and I think it'd be hilarious if he lost it all. But I don't hate him for anything he's done because I don't think he's done any of it intentionally. He's just stupid, not evil.

I'm curious. With the very recent bitching about a stream being slow, the receipt of $55 immediately thereafter, and Phil's "Well, golly gee, I didn't mean to make people feel bad." statement. Do you buy that when he complained about the "slow tips" he didn't intend to try and get people to give him more money?
 
I'm curious. With the very recent bitching about a stream being slow, the receipt of $55 immediately thereafter, and Phil's "Well, golly gee, I didn't mean to make people feel bad." statement. Do you buy that when he complained about the "slow tips" he didn't intend to try and get people to give him more money?

I don't buy that he didn't intend to have that effect. What I'm saying is he doesn't see anything morally wrong in doing that or why it's a bad thing to do.

I agree, that's why I specifically referred to him being a scam artist and not evil or a bad person - I think he is all of those, mind you, but you saying he's not the latter two holds, from your point of view. He is lying to swindle money out of people; Whether he does it intentionally or not is irrelevant to him being a scam artist, the act is all it takes.

As to the 7 million thing, you'd be surprised by how many people would be caught by that one, or similar issues with number scales. This is sort of like the whole Europe map fiasco; Yeah, we laugh at how stupid he is, but do remember a non-negligible percentage of the young adult US population can't put the US on a world map - this entire generation has problems with geography regardless of the country, but that particular example is very egregious and telling. This isn't so much him not being stupid as it is the average person being much dumber than most people think.


I mean another example, he once said he couldn't possibly have been speeding in his car, because the photograph the camera sent him showed he wasn't moving. Like iunno, I always thought for scam artists they had to intentionally have a plan, to set something up. Where as Phil always gave me the impression he just kinda says shit and hopes for the best.

Like phil isn't running a pyramid scheme or doing John Constantine levels of cons. He just kinda whines and people throw money at him.

I mean maybe I'm just underestimating his intelligence. But you also have to consider my point of view. I watched him run around in an empty graveyard in Bayonetta for twelve minutes because he couldn't figure out how to leave after a cutscene showed him how. Combine that with literally 10 years of similar events and he's kinda the dumbest mother fucker I've ever seen.
 
I mean another example, he once said he couldn't possibly have been speeding in his car, because the photograph the camera sent him showed he wasn't moving. Like iunno, I always thought for scam artists they had to intentionally have a plan, to set something up. Where as Phil always gave me the impression he just kinda says shit and hopes for the best.

Like phil isn't running a pyramid scheme or doing John Constantine levels of cons. He just kinda whines and people throw money at him.

I mean maybe I'm just underestimating his intelligence. But you also have to consider my point of view. I watched him run around in an empty graveyard in Bayonetta for twelve minutes because he couldn't figure out how to leave after a cutscene showed him how. Combine that with literally 10 years of similar events and he's kinda the dumbest mother fucker I've ever seen.

Okay, so, before any consideration about his intelligence, I want that clip of him talking about the photo. It sounds absolutely hilarious.

But to be more serious, I think he just thought it showed him parked or something. Someone who cannot understand the concept of a photo being by definition still, is not able to function. Not that Phil functions much, but we're talking people who receive disability checks for it, here. As to the Bayonetta thing, he probably just missed the cinematic's point - and as usual, whined and cried instead of putting more efforts towards finding the solution. I remember seeing it, but Jesus, I didn't remember it was twelve minutes - mind you many DSP Tries It probably fast forwarded/skipped it, for very understandable reasons.

Like, yeah, Phil is stupid, but there's a difference between what we commonly call stupidity, and the medical condition (Mental exceptionalism) that cripples people and prevents them from understanding what are very basic aspects of life. Beyond that, Phil is not incapable of understanding morality, because as I said, he's proven the contrary; If he was not capable of understanding what is moral or not, he would not be able to spot immorality in others, something he regularly does, criticizing people for lying, profiting off his work, and such.

Not to say he is right when he does so, but the flaw usually lies within his logic and not his moral interpretation of it. He's not right saying Tevin is getting money off his back, but that's because he doesn't realize the people who watch Tevin would never give him money, and doesn't want to concede Tevin puts at least as much effort as him in his stream, realistically, more. From his - erroneous - point of view, Tevin is indeed immoral, because to him, he just gets money tuning in, re-streaming to people who could totally be his fans, dood, and letting the cash earned supposedly doing nothing roll in.
 
I don't buy that he didn't intend to have that effect. What I'm saying is he doesn't see anything morally wrong in doing that or why it's a bad thing to do.

TBH, I think you're right, and that is one of the most inscrutable things to me about Phil. I can't imagine willfully doing something like that over and over again unless it was literally the only way for me to survive. And even then, I would feel bad about it, but at least I could justify it. Phil could easily fix his money problems by selling his WA condo, using the presumable profit to pay off enough of the CT condo to get a short sale done, pay off at least his highest interest loan/CC debt, and use some chunk of the remainder to put a down payment on a smaller, more affordable, place. Instead, he literally spends each day expectantly waiting for strangers to just up and give him money and gets pissy when they don't.
 
Okay, so, before any consideration about his intelligence, I want that clip of him talking about the photo. It sounds absolutely hilarious.

But to be more serious, I think he just thought it showed him parked or something. Someone who cannot understand the concept of a photo being by definition still, is not able to function. Not that Phil functions much, but we're talking people who receive disability checks for it, here. As to the Bayonetta thing, he probably just missed the cinematic's point - and as usual, whined and cried instead of putting more efforts towards finding the solution. I remember seeing it, but Jesus, I didn't remember it was twelve minutes - mind you many DSP Tries It probably fast forwarded/skipped it, for very understandable reasons.

Like, yeah, Phil is stupid, but there's a difference between what we commonly call stupidity, and the medical condition (Mental exceptionalism) that cripples people and prevents them from understanding what are very basic aspects of life. Beyond that, Phil is not incapable of understanding morality, because as I said, he's proven the contrary; If he was not capable of understanding what is moral or not, he would not be able to spot immorality in others, something he regularly does, criticizing people for lying, profiting off his work, and such.

Not to say he is right when he does so, but the flaw usually lies within his logic and not his moral interpretation of it. He's not right saying Tevin is getting money off his back, but that's because he doesn't realize the people who watch Tevin would never give him money, and doesn't want to concede Tevin puts at least as much effort as him in his stream, realistically, more. From his - erroneous - point of view, Tevin is indeed immoral, because to him, he just gets money tuning in, re-streaming to people who could totally be his fans, dood, and letting the cash earned supposedly doing nothing roll in.

"he would not be able to spot immorality in others, something he regularly does,"

This implies what he spots is actually immorality and not something he simply views as immoral due to the simple fact it goes against him. Those aren't the same things. Which is how I always viewed it whenever he brings that stuff up. Yeah he often cries about people being immoral and being bad people, but every time he's done that it's because he doesn't like them.

As for the photo thing, you'd have to ask @drgnkiller my memory is amazing in that I recall all these details about Phils life, but the video evidence? I mean guys got 60,000 videos. I can't pinpoint that shit. Which I know is convenient for the claims I make, but I'm sure drgnkiller has it or can at least vouch for what I'm saying.
 
"he would not be able to spot immorality in others, something he regularly does,"

This implies what he spots is actually immorality and not something he simply views as immoral due to the simple fact it goes against him. Those aren't the same things. Which is how I always viewed it whenever he brings that stuff up. Yeah he often cries about people being immoral and being bad people, but every time he's done that it's because he doesn't like them.

As for the photo thing, you'd have to ask @drgnkiller my memory is amazing in that I recall all these details about Phils life, but the video evidence? I mean guys got 60,000 videos. I can't pinpoint that shit. Which I know is convenient for the claims I make, but I'm sure drgnkiller has it or can at least vouch for what I'm saying.

Yeah but here's the thing: If he does not understand morality, if he truly is not capable of understanding what is right or wrong, how does he know lying is wrong ? How does he know stealing is wrong ? And if he doesn't, then why accuse people of that instead of other things ? One who doesn't understand what is or isn't moral would be operating on a purely random basis, and should regularly try to paint someone in a negative light with the accusation of doing something completely moral. And you might say it's pure mimicry, but since he understands lying is wrong and regularly lies, even that should give him the understanding he is a bad person.

And again, the accusation doesn't need to be true, it only needs to be a valid accusation. If I accused you of being a bad person because you lied about the speeding ticket story to further your argument, I'm pretty damn sure I would be wrong. But I wouldn't be wrong about the fact that lying to further one's argument is morally lacking, I would be wrong about you lying. That is not me misunderstanding the tie between lying for one's own gain and being a bad person, i;e morality, that is me getting the facts and logic upon which my judgement relies wrong.

Same with DSP; He is regularly wrong in his accusations because the logic on which his morality call relies is wrong, but he is consistently able to accuse people of actually morally reprehensible things, meaning he does understand what is or isn't. And yes, we all understand he accuses people of being bad people almost only when they've slighted him in some way - sometimes years ago - but that's because, let's be honest, who else does Dave talk about, and is he the kind of guy to recognize it when people he doesn't like do good things ?

In fact, him saying Tevin's charity stream(s) is/are just a ploy to garner good will is a perfect example of that, and of the fact he understands morality. He was able to finesse a morally righteous thing (Giving money to a charity, even indirectly, and promoting it) into a morally reprehensible one (Giving no money to a charity himself - not true, but he glosses over that fact or does not realize it - and using the event purely for future pecuniary gains). Nobody without an understanding of morality could do that - especially not on the fly like he did.
 
Yeah but here's the thing: If he does not understand morality, if he truly is not capable of understanding what is right or wrong, how does he know lying is wrong ? How does he know stealing is wrong ? And if he doesn't, then why accuse people of that instead of other things ? One who doesn't understand what is or isn't moral would be operating on a purely random basis, and should regularly try to paint someone in a negative light with the accusation of doing something completely moral. And you might say it's pure mimicry, but since he understands lying is wrong and regularly lies, even that should give him the understanding he is a bad person.

And again, the accusation doesn't need to be true, it only needs to be a valid accusation. If I accused you of being a bad person because you lied about the speeding ticket story to further your argument, I'm pretty damn sure I would be wrong. But I wouldn't be wrong about the fact that lying to further one's argument is morally lacking, I would be wrong about you lying. That is not me misunderstanding the tie between lying for one's own gain and being a bad person, i;e morality, that is me getting the facts and logic upon which my judgement relies wrong.

Same with DSP; He is regularly wrong in his accusations because the logic on which his morality call relies is wrong, but he is consistently able to accuse people of actually morally reprehensible things, meaning he does understand what is or isn't. And yes, we all understand he accuses people of being bad people almost only when they've slighted him in some way - sometimes years ago - but that's because, let's be honest, who else does Dave talk about, and is he the kind of guy to recognize it when people he doesn't like do good things ?

In fact, him saying Tevin's charity stream(s) is/are just a ploy to garner good will is a perfect example of that, and of the fact he understands morality. He was able to finesse a morally righteous thing (Giving money to a charity, even indirectly, and promoting it) into a morally reprehensible one (Giving no money to a charity himself - not true, but he glosses over that fact or does not realize it - and using the event purely for future pecuniary gains). Nobody without an understanding of morality could do that - especially not on the fly like he did.

Maybe I misphrased what I was trying to say. When I said he was too stupid for morality I didn't mean the implication he was too stupid to see it in others. I meant more like. If Tevin steals from him. That's morally bad. But if Phil steals from his viewers. Come on. He's got to pay his taxes man, that's not stealing.

Y'know? Or maybe I'm just moving the goal posts, you be the judge.
 
Maybe I misphrased what I was trying to say. When I said he was too stupid for morality I didn't mean the implication he was too stupid to see it in others. I meant more like. If Tevin steals from him. That's morally bad. But if Phil steals from his viewers. Come on. He's got to pay his taxes man, that's not stealing.

Y'know? Or maybe I'm just moving the goal posts, you be the judge.

Oh, that I agree with, that it's the basic level at which Phil operates: "Anything that harms me is bad", as I mentioned already. But that's not direct stupidity - there is no difference between what is or isn't moral for others and for you from a logical standpoint - that's a lack of introspection and/or reflection in general. One could argue that is a facet of stupidity, not to really think about one's actions too much, to some extent, but it doesn't mean he'd be unable to see how morally bankrupt he is if he got around to it.

Again, though, there were definitely cases when I think he genuinely didn't see how d#ckish what he was doing was, but they don't explain it all. He has it both: The stupidity and the hypocrisy, truly an overachiever.
 
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