Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

Yeah, I mainly back a full kill because I literally don't trust any of the major execs at Disney at the moment with doing the franchise justice. Not Iger, not Kennedy for damn sure, not the "story group", not their marketing, not Bob Chapek, not a single one of these fucks. I think that even a partial buy and boycott via selection won't matter so long as the same idiots that led to the series being shit are in charge and have their own gay ideas.

It's kind of like continuing to go to the plumber who busts half your pipes and drunkenly insult you to fix a leak and then claiming you won't use him for leak fixing, but only when your toilet is backed up. The same shit you hate now in Nu-Wars will ooze its way in until there's a reshuffling and the cunt doing it is gone.

If it dies... it dies. For as mentioned, sometimes dead is better.

 

[Love Machine]

Some people do, sure. But that doesn't mean if you don't you need to join the rush. Its ok to stop, its ok to not buy toys...or buy other toys.
And the fact you think timing doesn't matters shows you definitely don't know jack.



You are wrong. I'll wait for you to prove it.



I suspect I'm waisting keystrokes here but: Corporations do two levels of number crunching. High level and granular.

When you buy your star wars toys, or any merch, the Rat gets a cut. This goes into a large pot that gets reported to high level executives that is labeled something along the lines of "total merchandising renvenue". This is what gets reported up the chain and shared at upper management and board meetings. When Iger has to report earnings, do think he gives an ever loving fuck if disney's 15% cut came from action figures or a dishwasher, let alone if it came from OT, PT, or new movies? Or most of the investors? No. He just sees "Total Merchandising Revenue (In Millions)" on the report.

So when Disney management is looking over 2019/2020 sales to see if Plan 9 made money, your Fett and Vader are going to show up in "Total Merchandising". The message this sends to those at the top is 'Those consumer whores really hated the film, but damn if they didn't buy toys! Make another.'

At a more ground level, when they are thinking about individual lines, then yes. They usually crunch individual SKUs, parse feed back, talk to suppliers about what they saw from consumers.
But the arguments there are just about as dumb. "But Ghostse, if I don't buy the Black Series Rebel Fleet Trooper #69, they'll never make a gold-plated Ponda Baba post-lightsaber amputation varient! If I don't buy a ton of merch now, how will I get disney to sell me other merch later as they keep shitting on the old material?"

And there are those mental gymanstics mentioned earlier.



You, the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now.

The fact your bothered by that is like a drunk getting angry at an AA meeting.

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It won't happen, I get it. But again, just because there's a bunch of people funding the Rat is no reason for you to do it.
If you hate what disney is doing to the films, why buy ANY stormtroopers?

People super uppity about the mention of waiting like 7 months to buy more toys.

This is getting tiresome to reply too.
You made the claims you have to post your sources first if you are really going to try to play the citation game with me. If I felt like coming a database for the numbers, i would have in the first place. But I'll let you post yours first. Also black series figures are >$20, products that low are literally funko pop tier general audience stuff. youd have more of a case with the black series replicas, but they mostly sell figures and you didnt make a distinction. As for the Japanese figures, just on the shear fact alone that star wars isnt the biggest earner for them default means that they arent the biggest for star wars.

Also the idea that you dont think they know that OT and Prequal stuff is outselling the NT when there have been news reports about how low the new movie toys are selling is the real mental gymnastics. The Suit you are talking about getting the none granular merch number is an Disney exec(like bob iger) and who not someone in charge of most of the creative decisions. We can debate how well the corporate hydra communicates with each other but that will steer off into an entirely different place and wont get anywhere unless one of us actually works for corporate disney.

Again you are coming off really mad that people are buying the products they want. If you need to blame someone for star wars being shit now and want to blame people buying darth vader toys, then all I can say is so be it.

Yeah, I mainly back a full kill because I literally don't trust any of the major execs at Disney at the moment with doing the franchise justice. Not Iger, not Kennedy for damn sure, not the "story group", not their marketing, not Bob Chapek, not a single one of these fucks. I think that even a partial buy and boycott via selection won't matter so long as the same idiots that led to the series being shit are in charge and have their own gay ideas.

It's kind of like continuing to go to the plumber who busts half your pipes and drunkenly insult you to fix a leak and then claiming you won't use him for leak fixing, but only when your toilet is backed up. The same shit you hate now in Nu-Wars will ooze its way in until there's a reshuffling and the cunt doing it is gone.

If it dies... it dies. For as mentioned, sometimes dead is better.

You can always do what I do and pretend its 'till you want to make fun of it. But really this is the timeline we are on now because I bought that darth vader figure (thank me later).

But in all seriousness we can take solace in the fact that disney cant wipe the internet and burn the books of the EU we lost. What happens now is we just go back to enjoying the parts of it we enjoy while ignoring what the rat does from here on out. Like we did when lucus was shredding the EU before.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Only now, after 20 years, do I realize why the Queen was dressed like a geisha in Episode 1.

Ummm.... why is that?

 

[Love Machine]

Ummm.... why is that?

Because asian people are aliens.

 

[Adamska]

Because asian people are aliens.

No, that's the Nemoidians.

 

[Dom Cruise]

No, that's the Nemoidians.

Even as a kid I picked up on their whole "ahhhh, so!" style accents.

Though it's funny how Watto completely went over my head as a kid but today I look at him and go "Good grief, Lucas."

 

[Love Machine]

No, that's the Nemoidians.

to me they were always space jews, but there are so many races in stars wars that could be considered space jews that it could just be me generalizing all the separatist races.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

Even as a kid I picked up on their whole "ahhhh, so!" style accents.

Though it's funny how Watto completely went over my head as a kid but today I look at him and go "Good grief, Lucas."

Yeah as much as I don't like the burying of old movies, I can understand why it would happen in this day and age.

 

[Love Machine]

So was watto too smart for the jedi mind trick, or too starved of none republic credits to waver on his deal.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

Yeah, I mainly back a full kill because I literally don't trust any of the major execs at Disney at the moment with doing the franchise justice. Not Iger, not Kennedy for damn sure, not the "story group", not their marketing, not Bob Chapek, not a single one of these fucks. I think that even a partial buy and boycott via selection won't matter so long as the same idiots that led to the series being shit are in charge and have their own gay ideas.

It's kind of like continuing to go to the plumber who busts half your pipes and drunkenly insult you to fix a leak and then claiming you won't use him for leak fixing, but only when your toilet is backed up. The same shit you hate now in Nu-Wars will ooze its way in until there's a reshuffling and the cunt doing it is gone.

If it dies... it dies. For as mentioned, sometimes dead is better.

That'd be ideal. Star Wars has been a cultural icon, and its impact will stand the test of time. But, a necessary part of cultural icons is that they eventually have to conclude.

Lord of the Rings ended. Sure, people still make adaptations, but no one's demanding for new sequel films. It gracefully passed on. Shouldn't Star Wars receive the same treatment?

 

[Love Machine]

That'd be ideal. Star Wars has been a cultural icon, and its impact will stand the test of time. But, a necessary part of cultural icons is that they eventually have to conclude.

Lord of the Rings ended. Sure, people still make adaptations, but no one's demanding for new sequel films. It gracefully passed on. Shouldn't Star Wars receive the same treatment?

I guess you could say.... "Its time to let old things die".

 

[Old Man Mario]

I guess you could say.... "Its time to let old things die".

Old things are dying. EBay prices on the original Kenner toys have dropped majorly.
Star Wars toys have their lowest amount of retail space since the return of the line in 1995 and good luck reselling anything that isn't the old Kenner stuff or Rarer Black Series.

If I had to guess the only thing that are being bought in mass are funko pops. Which I'm really surprised they have not went the way of the beanie baby yet.

Buying Wedge during the Gamestop 40% off sale and getting Clone Commander Kenobi were my only Star Wars purchases for a few years now. I didn't trust Mandalorian til I watched a few YouTube videos that walked through the whole plot of them.

I may be an old old fan but I'm not about to waste my money on something just because it says Star Wars on it and I'm willing to bet most of the people posting on here aren't either.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Pretty sure they mentioned that they wanted to do a new season, but don't expect it any time soon. The arson really fucked up the company and IIRC they lost tons of material too.
It's great how a multi-billion dollar company and multi millionaire directors have such a chapped arse in regards to them though. The smallest amount of non shill reporting and / or push back regarding shitty writing has them REEEEE-ing to the hills. Hopefully we'll get more PR pieces crying about them, then we'll really know the box office is in trouble.

I can't wait to see more college professors writing peer-reviewed journal articles about how Russian bots are behind all the Star Wars hate campaigns.

Even as a kid I picked up on their whole "ahhhh, so!" style accents.

Though it's funny how Watto completely went over my head as a kid but today I look at him and go "Good grief, Lucas."

I never noticed either as a kid but the first time I heard a Jamaican guy talk I wondered he sounded like Jar Jar. The EAT DA POO POO guy reminded me of Jar Jar too.

Lord of the Rings ended. Sure, people still make adaptations, but no one's demanding for new sequel films. It gracefully passed on. Shouldn't Star Wars receive the same treatment?

We all demanded The Hobbit though a decade ago but look how that turned out.

 

[Absolutego]

Anyone getting mad and writing essays at some nerd coming into this thread and lukewarm praising one of the few Disney Star Wars products that rises to simple mediocrity instead of being an embarrassing disaster needs to get a grip. Doubly so if they jump headlong into characterizing that person as some soylent-chugging bugman stereotype that makes up this thread's mental image of the average Disney Star Wars fan. A lot of you take this shit ridiculously seriously and seem to think turboautists on edge spaces of the internet constitute some massive super-serious consumer movement as opposed to the normal reaction to a studio making disappointing movies.

If Episode IX fails and Lucasfilm has to restructure, it'll have more to do with Kennedy alienating the entire fanbase TFA attracted by letting her pet folk singer massively overreact to some rote criticism her boring self-insert received than anything posted ITT. It's just a series of movies, the last truly great one being made 40 years ago. If you're typing up a screed about how individuals buying whatever Star Wars products are "the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now", get a fucking grip and act like a fucking adult. I'm sorry your favorite franchise is shitty now, enjoy the parts you liked, laugh at its future failures, and move the fuck on like an emotionally well-adjusted human.

 

[melty]

Fetish lipstick? Really? Again, who the fuck is this for...?

Fwiw, Fetish was the pre-existing name of that lip balm line. Pat McGrath is very high end makeup that's very popular. People would probably buy this regardless of it was Star Wars, just because it's Pat McGrath. Even if it doesn't make sense for Disney, this seems to fit in her brand, and it will probably sell. The rich people and makeup addicts who buy this stuff will probably think it's quaint.

I went to Galaxy's Edge recently, and found it fairly enjoyable. It is not as good as Harry Potter world IMO, but it was better than the other attractions at Disney. As far as the food, I'm kind of a foodie and it's my impression that theme park food just sucks in general because it's appealing to the most average tastes possible. Almost everything I've eaten at a theme park was just OK.

The chicken tendies dish did stand out as particularly low effort, so I didn't try that. I tried the pork rib on blueberry muffin thing, ronto wrap, and the blue milk. I actually liked the blue milk, the ronto wrap was pretty good, and the pork rib was good but I didn't like the muffin. That's more of a personal preference because I think overly sugary muffins are stupid.

 

[HeyYou]

This thread is full of 'tism right now. I love you guys, but if this was a community watch thread we'd be diseased right now. If someone wants to buy 20 dollar figures, they can. Or, as much as I still think Battlefront 2 is a weak game, if they want to spend a bit of cash on it, they can. I hate to break it to everyone here, but I buy Black Series fairly often. Probably more than the people commenting on their purchases. I do it because I like the figures well enough and I like having shit on my shelf that represents the Star Wars I like, it's not any more complicated than that. Disney owns this franchise now. Even if the sequels fail, they will try other shit. They are not letting it crash and burn only to sell it off or die, they will try to make this shit work because they paid money for it. That's sadly how it's going to be from now.

 

[Ghostse]

If I had to guess the only thing that are being bought in mass are funko pops. Which I'm really surprised they have not went the way of the beanie baby yet.

They are cube-safe decor things, easy to display, clean, and (at least the early ones) could handle a bit of a tumble to a standard office floor without a scuff
I think they are ugly and anyone who bought more than 10 of the soulless things should be sterilized for the good of the species, but I understand the market niche it occupies.

This is getting tiresome to reply too.
You made the claims you have to post your sources first if you are really going to try to play the citation game with me. If I felt like coming a database for the numbers, i would have in the first place. But I'll let you post yours first. Also black series figures are >$20, products that low are literally funko pop tier general audience stuff. youd have more of a case with the black series replicas, but they mostly sell figures and you didnt make a distinction. As for the Japanese figures, just on the shear fact alone that star wars isnt the biggest earner for them default means that they arent the biggest for star wars.

Also the idea that you dont think they know that OT and Prequal stuff is outselling the NT when there have been news reports about how low the new movie toys are selling is the real mental gymnastics. The Suit you are talking about getting the none granular merch number is an Disney exec(like bob iger) and who not someone in charge of most of the creative decisions. We can debate how well the corporate hydra communicates with each other but that will steer off into an entirely different place and wont get anywhere unless one of us actually works for corporate disney.

Again you are coming off really mad that people are buying the products they want. If you need to blame someone for star wars being shit now and want to blame people buying darth vader toys, then all I can say is so be it.


You can always do what I do and pretend its 'till you want to make fun of it. But really this is the timeline we are on now because I bought that darth vader figure (thank me later).

But in all seriousness we can take solace in the fact that disney cant wipe the internet and burn the books of the EU we lost. What happens now is we just go back to enjoying the parts of it we enjoy while ignoring what the rat does from here on out. Like we did when lucus was shredding the EU before.

That sure is a lot of words to say "No, I want to buy my toys right now".

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

Anyone getting mad and writing essays at some nerd coming into this thread and lukewarm praising one of the few Disney Star Wars products that rises to simple mediocrity instead of being an embarrassing disaster needs to get a grip. Doubly so if they jump headlong into characterizing that person as some soylent-chugging bugman stereotype that makes up this thread's mental image of the average Disney Star Wars fan. A lot of you take this shit ridiculously seriously and seem to think turboautists on edge spaces of the internet constitute some massive super-serious consumer movement as opposed to the normal reaction to a studio making disappointing movies.

If Episode IX fails and Lucasfilm has to restructure, it'll have more to do with Kennedy alienating the entire fanbase TFA attracted by letting her pet folk singer massively overreact to some rote criticism her boring self-insert received than anything posted ITT. It's just a series of movies, the last truly great one being made 40 years ago. If you're typing up a screed about how individuals buying whatever Star Wars products are "the person still giving money to the Rat, you are why Star Wars sucks now", get a fucking grip and act like a fucking adult. I'm sorry your favorite franchise is shitty now, enjoy the parts you liked, laugh at its future failures, and move the fuck on like an emotionally well-adjusted human.

Revenge of the Sith came out fourteen years ago my man.

But yeah, while I'm going to judge the fuck out of people who say they want Disney SW to fail in the same breath that they hand over fifteen dollars for TRoS tickets or sixty for Fallen Order, if you like or are more neutral to Disney, more power to you. Support the stuff you like, and all that.

 

[Creep3r]

Was searching "Fandom Menace" because this term keeps popping up here and elsewhere lately and discovered that according to Wookieepedia, it's a hate group.

Ironic considering that their oldest active administrator overseeing the site would technically qualify as a bigot by their standards, so they're willingly contributing to an encyclopedia overseen by a mean ol' bigot. Then again its no surprise since those who hang out in that community chat don't actually know anything about editing or Wookieepedia's admins.

The whole place is made up of shilling, cringe and drama. Apparently you can't discuss mature subjects or even say naughty words like crap or poop, otherwise you'll get an insta-ban.

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The Mandalorian likely saved this movie from a total disaster by getting people talking about Star Wars in general which will cause more ticket sales for this movie. So unfortunately I think this will still squeak past a billion, especially since Disney will do all the funny tricks in the world to make sure it does (unless it does really poorly, like 800 million or below).

Pretty much why I dreaded any success from it or Fallen Order. It would mean a shit ton of good press and social media activity for Disney Wars in general which would be used by Disney drones to try and boost hype for Plan 9. I already said before that friends of mine were convinced to go see Plan 9 after some wretched shill told them Plan 9 is essential to Mandalorian, and that if they don't go see it the Mandalorian will get cancelled. So I honestly see this shit making more money than I thought now. Even people I know who hate the films still wanna buy a ticket for IX without seeing it just to show support for Baby Yoda...

Oh yea no doubt there is the superfan that rants and raves while buying every figure that comes out like a lunatic. But in all my years in toy collecting, they are pretty sparse. (mostly because of the huge monetary).

in the fact that disney cant wipe the internet and burn the books of the EU we lost.

Technically, Disney did stop re-prints and re-releases of Legends content in France and a few other countries. Not sure if they continued enforcing that or not though as of 2019. Obscure material that can only be found via torrents will eventually be gone too. It also doesn't help that Google removed the ability to search for images based on dates, since now whenever you type anything relating to SW, you'll just get flooded with Disney shit. And is Disney canon continues to grow and expand and maybe create more cluttered continuties, the first will likely fade into obscurity. Best one can hope for is that places like ebay continue to make content like that available. But really, all I ever really wanted was to see that content, even if it was just parts of its brought to life via animation a la Genndy or something similar, which will sadly never happen now.

to me they were always space jews, but there are so many races in stars wars that could be considered space jews that it could just be me generalizing all the separatist races.

Even outside the Trade Federation, the number of jews in space was impressive.

 

[Jaimas]

The issue is not whether any boycott accomplishes anything. They've happened before, sometimes with brutal effect, sometimes with no effect, but always in the background. It's the existence of the boycott itself that is the symptom of the greater disease: That the customerbase is losing faith with the product, and for every shrieking autist that declares an express intention to boycott, there's going to be 3 that feel the same way and never say a single solitary word about it.

Thing is, even the untrained can tell that the brand is struggling right now. We're about a week out from this movie's debut, andI have yet to see a single person unironically interested in it that doesn't have a permanent soy face. The closest I've seen are people interested because they like Mandalorian or Fallen Order. That Disney keeps lowering its TROS predictions is quite telling, and bodes very ill for Disney Lucasfilm.