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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
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Yeah, no media outlet would dare to do something like that without corroboration because the Steele Dossier itself was never inherently news-worthy, it was a pile of he-said, she-said bullshit. Luckily for them, the Head of the FBI holding a private, hush-hush meeting with the President to discuss the PeePee Tapes makes for an excellent corroboration, which is why only a few days after he had that meeting with Trump, CNN had its "hook", Buzzfeed had the CNN report to "piggyback" off of, and the Steele Dossier was finally off to the races and out into the mainstream.
 
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So, Nunes was completely right in his memo. Everything he said has been vindicated by this.

That means the Dems who tried to block the Nunes memo, who had access to the same info, were lying. They said it contained dangerous confidential information (it didn't).

Then, after Trump released it, they said it was all lies and issued their own memo.

Again, Schiff knew the facts. He knew this investigation was shit, and he knew Nunes was right. And the dems, as a whole, did everything in their power to destroy him for it.

This isn't just politics. This is one party engaging in all out war on the other, trying to destroy individuals within it through false charges. These motherfuckers want to charge Trump with Treason.

The Democrats would destroy you or me if it would advance their politics.

Edit: I had a further thought on this that I will now inflict on you. We've talked about "civil war" in regards to politics and I've been dismissive of the concept. But it looks like actually, we are already on a civil war. It's not a shooting war, and it's not the citizens fighting. It's the Democrats vs everyone else for control of the government.

Now I realize you may say "that's not a civil war stupid, that's politics". But I think the way the democrat party as a whole has gone all in on outright destroying their opposition (look at Bret Kavanaugh, smeared for life, they would imprison him if they could) is different. To borrow a phrase, back in the day they would bloody one another up in the political sphere, but everyone went home at the end of the day.
 
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Yeah, no media outlet would dare to do something like that without corroboration because the Steele Dossier itself was never inherently news-worthy, it was a pile of he-said, she-said bullshit. Luckily for them, the Head of the FBI holding a private, hush-hush meeting with the President to discuss the PeePee Tapes makes for an excellent corroboration, which is why only a few days after he had that meeting with Trump, CNN had its "hook", Buzzfeed had the CNN report to "piggyback" off of, and the Steele Dossier was finally off to the races and out into the mainstream.

Especially when said head of the FBI makes private transcripts of that meeting LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS A SUBJECT OF A INVESTIGATION
 
Especially when said head of the FBI makes private transcripts of that meeting LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS A SUBJECT OF A INVESTIGATION
There's still one thing about this that I can't figure out.

What was Comey doing by revealing Hillary was under investigation right before the election? That goes counter to everything else, it seems to me.
 
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That one just fucking cracked me up. It looks like a goddamned shitpost. "SEE?! PAGE WENT TO RUSSIA! I KNEW IT!"

And no one has been able to conclude how much of a figure Page was in the trump campaign. I suspect Page may in fact be glow in the dark

There's still one thing about this that I can't figure out.

What was Comey doing by revealing Hillary was under investigation right before the election? That goes counter to everything else, it seems to me.

To neutralize republican opposition later when she is president
 
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The number of people, across social media platforms, coming away from this with "THERE'S NO BIAS!" fucking astounds me. The notion that the material on Strzok alone doesn't indicate some negative bias is absolutely ludicrous.
The bias doesn't even matter in the first place, so I don't know why so many people are hung up over it. Whether or not they did this maliciously or accidentally--though the latter is a big, fat "doubt it"-- the fact still remains that there were constant, systematic failures every possible step of the way, and these FISA warrants were only kept on life support via a constant stream of lies.

I'd say that "accidentally" making 17 consecutive errors that just happened to be to their benefit and to the detriment of Trump leaves me feeling a bit goddamned incredulous, but the motive itself doesn't really make for much of a difference at the baseline. They still routinely failed to verify information and at every available opportunity to correct their course, they instead chose to lie in order to perpetuate the narrative. Seventeen times.

If they're not biased then they're unbelievably, pants-shittingly incompetent. That's supposed to make me feel better? "Oh that cop wasn't trying to frame you, he just made a major, clerical error seventeen times in a row. Don't worry, he'll get it right the eighteenth time!"

Nah. I'd like a different officer on my case, please.
 
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Hi there, McCain. Just doing your patriotic duty to try and overthrow a duly elected President and frame innocent people of treason, I'm sure. It just happened to be you that was peddling these Steele reports to Comey and the MSM; you just happened to be the one member of the Republican party who incidentally showed up to traffic this information around and finally push it into the hands of Buzzfeed.

You're more useful rotting inside of that pine box than you ever were in life.
When this becomes too big to ignore, they’ll throw him and the maggots skull fucking his tumor-ridden brain under the bus faster than you can say speed bump.
 
The bias doesn't even matter in the first place, so I don't know why so many people are hung up over it. Whether or not they did this maliciously or accidentally--though the latter is a big, fat "doubt it"-- the fact still remains that there were constant, systematic failures every possible step of the way, and these FISA warrants were only kept on life support via a constant stream of lies.

I'd say that "accidentally" making 17 consecutive errors that just happened to be to their benefit and to the detriment of Trump leaves me feeling a bit goddamned incredulous, but the motive itself doesn't really make for much of a difference at the baseline. They still routinely failed to verify information and at every available opportunity to correct their course, they instead chose to lie in order to perpetuate the narrative. Seventeen times.

If they're not biased then they're unbelievably, pants-shittingly incompetent. That's supposed to make me feel better? "Oh that cop wasn't trying to frame you, he just made a major, clerical error seventeen times in a row. Don't worry, he'll get it right the eighteenth time!"

Nah. I'd like a different officer on my case, please.

Imagine Strozk was a cop that did this to a governor and the FBI came in to investigate

The US atty would file charges based on political bias because Strozk would have to prove his incompetence or the incompetence of the bureau

vs his text messages and the suspicious actions of McCabe keeping him in his position.

"No Bias" doesnt pass the smell test but its outside the OIG's mandate
 
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That's an awfully big mistake you've got there, FBI. Appendix One sounds like it's going to be an interesting read.

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This is incredibly important and I know I've harped about these omissions quite a bit already, but it really can't be overstated. It is not the job of the FISC to verify the information that the FBI gives them in regards to obtaining FISA Warrants, they only evaluate the information that they're given and make a determination from there.

The fact that the Crossfire Hurricane team had seventeen instances where-in they omitted information, withheld exculpatory information or presented inaccurate information is evidence of them routinely and systematically lying to the FISC in order to obtain these warrants, because they knew that the FISC would never be fact-checking the information that they were presenting to them. That's not what the FISC does.

The responsibility of verifying information used to obtain FISA warrants lies solely on the FBI, and they failed seventeen times.
 
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How long until the news say that only they have the right to look at the report and its illegal for citizens to do so?

They are already trying to push a narrative that only they should have access to information and sources and that from there people can be fed what MSM wants them to know.

Remember Cuomo trying to sell people that it was illegal to download the emails?

The effort to block Trump from Twitter and other social media?

Hi there, McCain. Just doing your patriotic duty to try and overthrow a duly elected President and frame innocent people of treason, I'm sure. It just happened to be you that was peddling these Steele reports to Comey and the MSM; you just happened to be the one member of the Republican party who incidentally showed up to traffic this information around and finally push it into the hands of Buzzfeed.

You're more useful rotting inside of that pine box than you ever were in life.

He was pretty useful to the left once they lobotomized him and worked him like a marionette.
 
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That's an awfully big mistake you've got there, FBI. Appendix One sounds like it's going to be an interesting read.

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This is incredibly important and I know I've harped about these omissions quite a bit already, but it really can't be overstated. It is not the job of the FISC to verify the information that the FBI gives them in regards to obtaining FISA Warrants, they only evaluate the information that they're given and make a determination from there.

The fact that the Crossfire Hurricane team had seventeen instances where-in they omitted information, withheld exculpatory information or presented inaccurate information is evidence of them routinely and systematically lying to the FISC in order to obtain these warrants, because they knew that the FISC would never be fact-checking the information that they were presenting to them. That's not what the FISC does.

The responsibility of verifying information used to obtain FISA warrants lies solely on the FBI, and they failed seventeen times.

So a judge 3 times didn't look at ANY of the paperwork in FISA applications?

I wonder why 17 factual omissions happened on this case

really gets the nogging joggin. I mean the FISA court is just a rubber stamp. That seems pretty clear
 
So a judge 3 times didn't look at ANY of the paperwork in FISA applications?

I wonder why 17 factual omissions happened on this case

really gets the nogging joggin. I mean the FISA court is just a rubber stamp. That seems pretty clear
No, they did, but there-in lies the problem. They're completely dependent upon the FBI for fact-checking the paperwork that's submitted, so if the agents submitting the paperwork are flat-out lying then the FISC doesn't have any way of knowing about that. They're just reviewing the information that they're given and assuming that it's on the up-and-up, and issuing or denying a warrant from there. That is not a good system and this is a textbook example as to how this system can be exploited, but in this instance the fault doesn't lay at the feet of the judges because it's just not their job to verify the information that they're given. ... For some reason.

I don't see any other possible alternative in this situation other than the FBI and Crossfire Hurricane's team explicitly doctoring the information that they were giving to the FISC judges in order to obtain the warrants. There's no other possible excuse for this happening so many times in a row, and happening in a way that allowed them to get exactly what they wanted.
 
I don't see any other possible alternative in this situation other than the FBI and Crossfire Hurricane's team explicitly doctoring the information that they were giving to the FISC judges in order to obtain the warrants. There's no other possible excuse for this happening so many times in a row, and happening in a way that allowed them to get exactly what they wanted.

All under the direct supervision of Comey and McCabe

I mean that SURE smells like a crime. And if it isnt it damned well should be
 
No, they did, but there-in lies the problem. They're completely dependent upon the FBI for fact-checking the paperwork that's submitted, so if the agents submitting the paperwork are flat-out lying then the FISC doesn't have any way of knowing about that. They're just reviewing the information that they're given and assuming that it's on the up-and-up, and issuing or denying a warrant from there. That is not a good system and this is a textbook example as to how this system can be exploited, but in this instance the fault doesn't lay at the feet of the judges because it's just not their job to verify the information that they're given. ... For some reason.

I don't see any other possible alternative in this situation other than the FBI and Crossfire Hurricane's team explicitly doctoring the information that they were giving to the FISC judges in order to obtain the warrants. There's no other possible excuse for this happening so many times in a row, and happening in a way that allowed them to get exactly what they wanted.

I wonder what kind of civil liability this creates for those involved and the FBI.

The damage this bullshit has caused to the economy and certain individuals is incalculable.
 
So let me go backwards for a moment.

General Flynn and Paul Manafort. How does this relate to them? Can their sentences be overturned due to the investigation being wildly improper?

Paul was charged on unrelated things to the trump business
Flynn lied to the feds on a bogus investigation which UNFORTUNATELY is a crime

I will be interested to see how Roger Stone uses this
 
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