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Agreement is finally in Number 10's grasp.

The text that's taken months of officials' blood, sweat and tears has been agreed, at least at a technical level.

Now a paper's being drafted to present to the Cabinet tomorrow ready for the government's hoped-for next step - political approval from Theresa May's team, even though many of them have deep reservations.

Remember in the last 24 hours some of them have been warning privately that what's on the table is just not acceptable, and will never get through Parliament. Some even believe the prime minister ought to walk away.

But the government machine is now cranking into action. With a text ready, their long-planned rollout can begin.
The BBC's chief political correspondent Vicki Young said some ministers had "deep concerns" about the shape of the likely agreement, which critics say could leave the UK trapped in a customs agreement with the EU.

She said they would have to decide whether they could support it, and if not, whether to resign from cabinet.

Leading Brexiteers have already condemned the draft agreement, Boris Johnson saying it would see the UK remain in the customs union and "large parts" of the single market.

He told the BBC it was "utterly unacceptable to anyone who believes in democracy". "Am I going to vote against it. The answer is yes," he added.

And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said "given the shambolic nature of the negotiations, this is unlikely to be the good deal for the country".

'Failure to deliver'
Both the UK and EU want to schedule a special summit of European leaders at the end of November to sign off the reportedly 500 page withdrawal deal and the much shorter outline declaration of their future relationship.

Brussels has insisted it would only agree to put the wheels in motion for the summit if agreement can be reached on the issue of the Irish border.

Ambassadors from the remaining 27 EU states will meet in Brussels on Wednesday.

If a deal is agreed with the EU, Mrs May then needs to persuade her party - and the rest of Parliament - to support it in a key Commons vote.

Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said if details of the text reported by Irish broadcaster RTE were true, the UK would become a "vassal state" with Northern Ireland "being ruled from Dublin".

Such an agreement "failed to deliver on Brexit" and the cabinet should reject it, he told the BBC.

"I think what we know of this deal is deeply unsatisfactory," he said. "There seems to be growing opposition to these very poor proposals."

Meanwhile, following pressure from all sides of the Commons, ministers have agreed to provide MPs with a legal assessment of the implications for the UK of the Irish backstop and other controversial aspects of any deal.

Cabinet Office minister David Lidington said Attorney General Geoffrey Cox would make a statement to MPs and take questions ahead of the final vote on any Brexit deal.

MPs, he said, would get to see "a full reasoned position statement laying out the government's both political and also legal position on the proposed withdrawal agreement".

The Democratic Unionists' Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said he was pleased Parliament had "asserted its will" as it was imperative that all parties to the deal were clear in what way and for how long it would "legally bind" the UK.

Chequers minus it is. Whatever happened to no deal being better than a bad deal.

We should have been far more aggressive in negotiations with Brussels. They all but stated immediately after the referendum that they were going to bumrape us for having the temerity to leave, so we should have told them that unless and until they got serious, we'd basically go full on tax haven mode and steal all their big companies - and funnel money and support to Eurosceptics in Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, and Hungary.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I was wondering why the libdems are being such a non contender, I think I know now

Obianuju Ekeocha on Twitter

“LibDem leader Jo Swinson flounders,stammers & struggles to answer a simple question: what is a WOMAN? Btw,a puberty-blocker drug firm has donated more than £1.4million to her party since 2012. No wonder she advocates for gender self-identification & non-binary gender recognition...

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Their campaign pamplets aren't any more inspiring:

Vince Cable did well to get out while the Lib Dems were doing well.

But about that clip if Jo Swinson is going to be in support of self gender identification she might as well have just gone full Social Justice and said "Trans women are women", called the caller a TERF and hung up.

 

[The Final Troondown]

Had a blizzard of lib dem leaflets and on from bxp, live in probably the safest labour seat in the country

As much as i cant stand either main party my social media will be full of salt if theres a tory majority on friday as its currently a blitz of people retweeting pro labour stuff

Im guessing a hung parliament tho

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Had a blizzard of lib dem leaflets and on from bxp, live in probably the safest labour seat in the country

As much as i cant stand either main party my social media will be full of salt if theres a tory majority on friday as its currently a blitz of people retweeting pro labour stuff

Im guessing a hung parliament tho

I hope not. That means this performance happens again in the spring.

That being said, I'm preparing to cap and saltpost cryin rn Corbynistas. Do we have a celebrity rundown so we can get their stupid reactions?

 

[CWCissey]

I hope not. That means this performance happens again in the spring.

That being said, I'm preparing to cap and saltpost cryin rn Corbynistas. Do we have a celebrity rundown so we can get their stupid reactions?

Hugh Grant
Graham Coxon
David Mitchell
Robert Webb
Primal Scream
Professor Brian Cox
The Lovely Eggs
Johnny Marr
Omid Djalili
Basically any BBC 'Comedian'
Graham Linehan
Emma Thompson

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Hugh Grant
Graham Coxon
David Mitchell
Robert Webb
Primal Scream
Professor Brian Cox
The Lovely Eggs
Johnny Marr
Omid Djalili
Basically any BBC 'Comedian'
Graham Linehan
Emma Thompson

- Lily Allen, who was reduced to tears by Labour's manifesto
- J. K. Rowling
- Daniel Radcliffe

 

[Eekum Bokum]

Hugh Grant
Graham Coxon
David Mitchell
Robert Webb
Primal Scream
Professor Brian Cox
The Lovely Eggs
Johnny Marr
Omid Djalili
Basically any BBC 'Comedian'
Graham Linehan
Emma Thompson

Steve Coogan came out today telling people to vote tactically.

 

[The Final Troondown]

Hugh Grant
Graham Coxon
David Mitchell
Robert Webb
Primal Scream
Professor Brian Cox
The Lovely Eggs
Johnny Marr
Omid Djalili
Basically any BBC 'Comedian'
Graham Linehan
Emma Thompson

Stormzy

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Stormzy

I'm talking about celebrities here. People we've heard of, not some rapist-eyed degenerate who appears as a diversity signing at Glasto every so often.

 

[The Final Troondown]

I'm talking about celebrities here. People we've heard of, not some rapist-eyed degenerate who appears as a diversity signing at Glasto every so often.

It'll be funny regardless because of how much he's been sounding off

It'll be interesting to see how momentum react, so far the prime enemy seems to be the media but I can't wait to hear all the insane conspiracy theories should they get a drubbing - it'll be like a british infowars

 

[Shitpiss Babylord]

Steve Coogan came out today telling people to vote tactically.

I'm tactically voting Tory for the first time in my life, just so we can finally drag the rest of the country out of June 22nd 2016 and force them to move on.

 

[RisingPhoenix]

It'll be funny regardless because of how much he's been sounding off

It'll be interesting to see how momentum react, so far the prime enemy seems to be the media but I can't wait to hear all the insane conspiracy theories should they get a drubbing - it'll be like a british infowars

Over in more Labour friendly places - they seem a bit torn between insisting the BBC is too much of an institution for Boris to mess with it, while in turn constantly complaining about Laura Kuenssberg for reporting that one of their activists punched Matt Hancock when they visited Leeds Hospital a few days ago and today because she indicated that the Postal Votes might be looking pretty bad for Labour which might be breaking some rules.

Both parties have had their final speech events and Labour's team decided to finally let Emily Thornberry and Diane Abbot out of their cages to make speeches. Nothing much to report, other than Diane insisting she fully believes Corbyn will be getting the keys to Number 10 on Friday.

Also apparently Boris managed to trigger Hugh Grant with his "Brexit Actually" video. He whined that Boris didn't keep in the placard saying "Because at Christmas you tell the truth".

 

[Socrates]

So excuse my Yankee ignorance, am I right in assuming that all this talk about "tactical voting" is coming from lefties terrified of splitting the vote between libdem and labour?

 

[Coccxys]

Investigation finds ‘88% of Tory ads misleading compared to 0% for Labour’

Nearly 90% of Facebook ads paid for by the Conservative Party in the first few days of December contained misleading claims, an investigation has found. First Draft – a non-profit organisation which works on debunking fake news – analysed every ad promoted by the UK’s three main political parties on the social media giant in the first four days of December. It found 88% of the Conservative’s Facebook campaigning pushed figures challenged by Full Fact, the UK’s leading fact-checking organisation. By comparison, First Draft said that it could not find any misleading claims in ads run by Labour on Facebook over the same period. Full Fact plays an independent role in Facebook’s Third Party Fact Checking programme, but this doesn’t currently cover ads or content from political figures or parties. First Draft accessed the company’s Ad Library to assess the damage caused by exempting political ads from fact-checking in the run up to the December 12 election.

It said out of 6,749 ads paid for by the Conservatives in a four day period, over 5,000 contained the claim that the party will build ‘40 new hospitals’, either in the caption, image or link. This figure was branded misleading by Full Fact, as it has not been costed and can’t be delivered within the forthcoming parliamentary session under the Tories current spending plans. The government have only allocated funding for six hospitals to be upgraded by 2025, while up to 38 more will receive money to develop plans for upgrades between 2025 and 2030, but not to undertake any actual building work. First Draft also found 500 ads which peddled the widely criticised claim that the Tories will create jobs for 50,000 more nurses if they win the general election. The promise includes 18,500 existing nurses who the government hopes to persuade to remain in the workforce. Inaccurate claims about the cost of Jeremy Corbyn’s spending plans to the tax payer featured on over 4,000 Conservative ads pushed at the start of December, while more than 1,000 included misleading claims about NHS investment and income tax.

First Draft said over 5,000 ads contained a claim the Tories are building 40 new hospitals, when Full Fact say in reality they are upgrading six (Picture: First Draft) Will Moy, Chief Executive of Full Fact, said of the data: ‘This election candidates and campaigns on all sides are asking voters for their trust. Serious parties and politicians should not be recycling debunked claims or targeting individuals with bad information – we all deserve better than that.’ Facebook has come under fire for refusing to fact-check political ads. CEO Mark Zukerberg says he does not wish to censor politicians by doing so. Mr Moy said while Facebook has a responsibility for what happens on its platform, it should not be left to US companies to safeguard UK elections He said: ‘Our election laws are decades out of date, and our next Parliament should take urgent steps to secure the transparency we need to protect future votes.’ The 2019 general election campaign has been branded the ‘dirtiest on record’ for the spread of lies and misinformation being ‘sanctioned from the top’.


The Liberal Democrats have also been accused of misleading voters ahead of polling day, by using inaccurate polling data and leaflets masquerading as local newspapers. First Draft said at least 16.5% of the Lib Dems ads since the election campaign began feature claims they are the only party to beat Labour, the Conservatives or the SNP ‘in seats like yours’. It said it has not been able to find misleading claims in Facebook adverts from the Labour Party, which has promoted far fewer ads than the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats. However, one candidate claimed the average family would save £6,700 under Labour policies to promote herself – a figure branded ‘not credible’ by Full Fact.

According to the BBC at least £2m has been spent on Facebook and Instagram over the last 30 days, and an advertising blitz is expected over the last 48 hours of campaigning. Campaign group The Coalition for Reform in Political Advertising is calling for fact-checking of political ads to be a legal requirement after what it described as a ‘fake news and disinformation general election’. They said at least 31 campaigns from across the four main political parties have been indecent, dishonest or untruthful. According to their research, the most came from the Lib Dems, followed by the Conservatives, the Brexit Party then Labour. Last week more than 20 democracy organisations said electoral reform was needed to address a ‘crisis in British democracy’ over the spread of misinformation. The Conservative Party have been contacted for comment.

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So Tory ads are misleading because their promises aren't full costed but Labour's are 100% accurate (except for these few but we're ignoring them because muh narrative). I wonder how "First draft" staff member and momentum member line up because I smell something a bit off here. Plus the metro (shit they can't even give away for free to people bored to death on trains) is basically BuzzFeed the print version these days.

 

[CWCissey]

So excuse my Yankee ignorance, am I right in assuming that all this talk about "tactical voting" is coming from lefties terrified of splitting the vote between libdem and labour?

Close.

It's coming from Lefties who realised they'll never win and are desperately trying to spite Boris, the most popular candidate amongst British voters, out of a majority government.

 

[Florence]

Hugh Grant
Graham Coxon
David Mitchell
Robert Webb
Primal Scream
Professor Brian Cox
The Lovely Eggs
Johnny Marr
Omid Djalili
Basically any BBC 'Comedian'
Graham Linehan
Emma Thompson

Alan Moore
Jeremy Har– oh, wait...

 

[Coccxys]

So excuse my Yankee ignorance, am I right in assuming that all this talk about "tactical voting" is coming from lefties terrified of splitting the vote between libdem and labour?

They try to push "tactical" voting every time. They once set up a "vote trade" site where a LibDem in a Labour target seat would vote Labour in exchange with some other random they were matched with who was a Labour support or in a LibDem area. Of course the whole thing fell apart brutally because no one trusts random person on the internet to honor their promise in a secret ballot.

Every tactical voting initiative fails every time because people intend to vote tactically until they are stood their with their pencil and ballot and really want their guy to win and maybe this time it could happen. In my local Facebook group Labour and LibDem supporters have agreed to tactically vote to try and beat the tory but have been fighting nonstop about which one they should tactically vote for because they were both very close to each other in the last election (though added together they still don't come anywhere near the Tory making the whole think just an amusing aside for the rest of us).

 

[CWCissey]

Got a strange celebrity meltdown watch for you lot.

Lord Buckethead.

Yep that one. He's been shilling for the Labour candidate despite being allied to The Loonies, who should be above that shit

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Got a strange celebrity meltdown watch for you lot.

Lord Buckethead.

Yep that one. He's been shilling for the Labour candidate despite being allied to The Loonies, who should be above that shit

Bucket Head's always been a leftie twat though. Just an actually insane one.


THE FINAL POLLS:

YouGov: CON 43%, LAB 34%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 3%

ICM: CON 42%, LAB 36%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%

Opinium: CON 45%, LAB 33%, LDEM 12%, BREX 2%, GRN 2%

BMG: CON 41%, LAB 32%, LDEM 14%

PANELBASE: CON 43%, LAB 34%, LDEM 11%, BREX 4%, GRN 3%

NCPOLITICS: CON 43%, LAB 33%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 3%

QIROUSLY: CON 43%, LAB 30%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 4%

SAVANTACOMRES: CON 41%, LAB 36%, LDEM 12%

KANTAR: CON 44%, LAB 32%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%

DELTAPOLL: CON 45%, LAB 35%, LDEM 10%, BREX 3%

SURVATION: CON 44.7%, LAB 33.7%, LIB DEM 9.3% BREX 3.1%

 

[ShadowDoc]

Bucket Head's always been a leftie twat though. Just an actually insane one.


THE FINAL POLLS:

YouGov: CON 43%, LAB 34%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 3%

ICM: CON 42%, LAB 36%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%

Opinium: CON 45%, LAB 33%, LDEM 12%, BREX 2%, GRN 2%

BMG: CON 41%, LAB 32%, LDEM 14%

PANELBASE: CON 43%, LAB 34%, LDEM 11%, BREX 4%, GRN 3%

NCPOLITICS: CON 43%, LAB 33%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 3%

QIROUSLY: CON 43%, LAB 30%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%, GRN 4%

SAVANTACOMRES: CON 41%, LAB 36%, LDEM 12%

KANTAR: CON 44%, LAB 32%, LDEM 12%, BREX 3%

DELTAPOLL: CON 45%, LAB 35%, LDEM 10%, BREX 3%

SURVATION: CON 44.7%, LAB 33.7%, LIB DEM 9.3% BREX 3.1%

So it's looking like a relatively comfortable victory for the Conservatives, provided Labour doesn't do some illegal shit. Which survey is the most reliable?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

So it's looking like a relatively comfortable victory for the Conservatives, provided Labour doesn't do some illegal shit. Which survey is the most reliable?

Survation predicted things accurately last time around. Complete with the narrowing lead for the Tories down to the Hung Parliament and was the only pollster to do so. This time around they've given them consistent double digit leads and no sign of the same gap closing to the level we saw in 2017.