Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Love Machine]

Holy fuck, boyega is actually based?

(Will still never forgive Pacific Rim 2)

 

[BipolarPon]

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Holy fuck, boyega is actually based?

(Will still never forgive Pacific Rim 2)

I hope these movies don't fuck with John boyega's career. He's a good actor, and it would be a shame if these films deeply tainted his chances at getting roles. He didn't sign up to be in Star Wars to be regulated to minstrel show level comic relief.

 

[Muttnik]

I like Boyega. I remember he did voicework for the recent Watership Down miniseries and holy shit I couldn't even tell it was him until I saw the credits. He's a decent actor and I can tell that he hates what Disney did to his character. I don't blame him.

 

[Gehenna]

I hope these movies don't fuck with John boyega's career. He's a good actor, and it would be a shame if these films deeply tainted his chances at getting roles. He didn't sign up to be in Star Wars to be regulated to minstrel show level comic relief.

Given the sheer level of his.... 'meltdown' I guess would be the best word? Well, perhaps what we are seeing here would be best explained as him realizing his career -is- ruined.

Right now is when studios should be head hunting the hell out of people just coming off a 'successful' trilogy. They no longer have commitments to disney, and if the movies had actually done well every single star in it and any side character of note would have been given a ton of acting opportunities.

So, two scenarios explain Boyega's latest actions.
1: No offers came in. (Unlikely, even a bad star wars movie pulls in hundreds of millions of dollars, and should be sufficient to at least offer some roles)
2: He has been typecast. Every role offered is the bumbling fool. (This one I think is most likely, he realized his ability to be taken seriously has been nuked, and he is bitter)

I like Boyega. I remember he did voicework for the recent Watership Down miniseries and holy shit I couldn't even tell it was him until I saw the credits. He's a decent actor and I can tell that he hates what Disney did to his character. I don't blame him.

I think he is good, but to give a nod to @Love_Machine011 , his performance in pacific Rim was sub par. I think he has talent, but lacks experience, and needs a strong script to help him overcome that lack of experience. With a sub par, or outright bad, script he seems to be unable to really work with it well.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

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Holy fuck, boyega is actually based?

(Will still never forgive Pacific Rim 2)

He's not wrong.
On one hand, it can be heavy having to deal with a deluge of messages that could have been done by maniacs with more being how she sucked or how her character sucked or shouldn't have existed, but on the other, if you are an actual stable adult, you know that you should take all of this with a grain of salt and not be bothered by it. If you take down your account for backlash that isn't based on how much of a terrible person you legitimately are, then you should not have been on social media in the first place.

 

[Jaimas]

I still can't get over how anyone is supposed to be slobbering over this film now that Luke is completely gone from the equation. Completely devaluing the OT characters is the biggest sin with this trilogy as it doesn't understand what people genuinely want to see. When you have a big-name character like Luke Skywalker, you don't fucking kill him off in the second act of the series. This shit should have been reserved for the final movie and it doesn't help that he was only in the first installment for about nine seconds. The complete exceptionalness of the decision to barely feature/degrade/kill off Luke in the ST is something I will never understand till the day I die.

While I mentioned it previously, many threads that were resoundingly wrapped up in TFA were inexplicably brought back and are active again in TLJ, even if they make absolutely no sense like what happened with Rey's. They were done specifically to fuck with prevailing theories the fanbase had on what was coming in Episode 8, seemingly out of giggling fucking contempt for them. Because Disney didn't have a plan going into this, they let Rian Johnson at the movie with no restraints and the first thing he did was look at existing fan-theories about various things from TFA and went about putting a bullet in their heads, one by one. He was allowed to do that because some of the higher-ups agreed with him and because they arrogantly believed they could release any shit they wanted and still secure the fandom's support.

In the end it was done out of spite and to take a shot at the fandom for not being the fandom they wanted. What they failed to realize is that when you're basically invalidating everything the previous movie set up, but then going on to ruin the original cast atop this, that is the mark of either a transcendant level of incompetence or outright solipsism.

 

[BipolarPon]

Really they could pull anything off, as long as plack of wood... I mean Rey is not killed off and is touted as the best person ever. Critics, soyboys, and shills will be hailing these films as subversive masterpieces, that stick it to those sexist man-babies kinda like this...

Though it's worse, Imagine Mcintosh and Dodson kissing Ruin Johnson, KKK minus one k and Jar Jar abrams asses.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Isn't Plan 9 releasing in two days in Japan or was that rumor a meme?

It was a misread / mistranslated. @manteehunter posted what was happening in one of his more recent posts to the thread (but still a fair way back). IIRC they aren't screening the movie instead it's a fan event; so a meet and greet, and merch selling.

According to the IMDB release date link that was posted: Germany, Belgium and a few other east european states are opening on the 18th, Australia on the 19th, most other countries the 20th. China has been moved recently to 18/19th so they don't directly compete against IP man 4

Seriously. I never saw Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 2

Fix this.

 

[Old Man Mario]

1999-2005 honestly.

How much better of a state would things be if He would have done ST instead of PT? Do you think Disney would have messed PT up more than they did the ST?

 

[BipolarPon]

How much better of a state would things be if He would have done ST instead of PT? Do you think Disney would have messed PT up more than they did the ST?

If they Had KKK minus one k, Ruin Johnson and Jar Jar Abrams they would mess up the prequels pretty badly. I feel like Geroge might add a Jar Jar like character to the sequel trilogy, if he had the creative control to be honest. Though I doubt he would fuck up Luke even nearly as bad as The Last Jedi.

 

[vertexwindi]

I think he is good, but to give a nod to @Love_Machine011 , his performance in pacific Rim was sub par. I think he has talent, but lacks experience, and needs a strong script to help him overcome that lack of experience. With a sub par, or outright bad, script he seems to be unable to really work with it well.

Do you think a great actor would be able to save lines like "That’s how we’re gonna win this. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love"?

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Holy fuck, boyega is actually based?

He's not wrong.
On one hand, it can be heavy having to deal with a deluge of messages that could have been done by maniacs with more being how she sucked or how her character sucked or shouldn't have existed, but on the other, if you are an actual stable adult, you know that you should take all of this with a grain of salt and not be bothered by it. If you take down your account for backlash that isn't based on how much of a terrible person you legitimately are, then you should not have been on social media in the first place.

Agree. Even before "social media" became a thing, there were still online forums. I'm willing to bet most if not all had at least one user who registered solely to troll other users or otherwise make provocative posts to get triggered, negative reactions in response.

Social media has amplified this as people now say anything they want without impunity -- even if it means they powerlevel the heck out themselves in the process. Unfortunately, this means that social media has more than its share of hateful comments and posts. Read enough threads on here (e.g. TDS) and you can see how bold people are with sharing their negativity online even when it's associated with their real identity.

Reasonable people with coping skills know that criticism, valid or not, is part of cyberspace and they learn to ignore it as much as possible and to report/block if that's possible and it violates the "community rules." One would expect most celebs to have publicity people who handle their social media and serve as a buffer between the hateful post(er)s and themselves and deal with the drama for them, Not all celebs have this, and those that don't -- for whatever reason -- take the hateful comments more seriously then they should or need to. The Leslie Jones meltdown I read about on here as a lurker immediately comes to mind as an example of what happens when celebs take hate posts way too seriously.

That said, temporarily disabling social media accounts may be a reasonable approach when the hate posts are too much to otherwise manage. But the important thing is to not take the bait in online hate posts. Anyone who can't politely BTFO online detractors should probably not engage them for everyone to see. It only encourages trolls to continue their trolling and enjoy the negative responses they subsequently receive. As I've said in other posts, the best way to deny pleasure to attention seekers is to give them no attention at all. It drives them crazier than any type of response they can get a thrill out of.

Boyega seems to get that stars such as himself need to have thick skin when it comes to negative online comments and instead learn to appreciate those fans that take sincere interest in and appreciation for their work and accomplishments. One hopes that he is just as pleasantly gracious when he does interact with such fans at conventions and other similar events.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Having just spent an hour reading this thread my hatred for JJ, Rian and Kathleen have magnified tenfold, my respect for John Boyega has increased marginally and I do feel somewhat bad that the NuWars' faggoty fanbase are going to make it their mission to turn him into a black literallyHitler for daring to step out of line, and I'm absolutely floored by how bad all of the shit in the leaks is and hoping to Zeus that Disney is releasing fake spoilers to hide the fact that they somehow made a masterpiece that unfucks the entirety of the last 2 movies.

One thing I am cautiously optimistic about is that they're going to kill off Kylo (YOU'D FUCKING BETTER! IT'S LITERALLY ALL I ASK OF YOU NOW, LUCASFILM!), which will cause so much salt from the Reylo spergs that we could remake the entire planet of Crait 5 times over from the sheer volume of it all. That alone will be my solace should it come to pass, knowing that I can rub their failed fictional cringe ship in their fucking faces until the day I die and that they'll probably ragequit Star Wars entirely because they're mostly immature, stupid women and girls who's sole investment was the only love story worse than Twilight which existed only in their heads.

 

[Gehenna]

Do you think a great actor would be able to save lines like "That’s how we’re gonna win this. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love"?

No, case in point, Samuel Jackson in the prequels. Bad writing, bad directing, both can kill even a solid talented and experienced actors abilities. It is why I do not hold this trilogy of movies against any of the actors and am instead looking up and watching other content with them to gauge their acting chops.

Boyega has solid talent, but is too reliant on a solid director to help him emote. Final Status: Salvageable, simply inexperienced.
Issacs has the best talent and experience and it shows. Even when asked to do absolutely stupid shit in TLJ he sells his part of it. Final Status: Solid all around.
Driver: Same as Issacs, solid acting and a good bit of experience lead to an all around good performance. Shame his is the second worst written character: Final Status: Solid
Which brings us to Ridly.... She can't act, is a rather bad person IRL, and the fact the only thing I can remember her in is as a corpse should say a lot. Final Status: Lol no.



Also, before someone dares accuse me of sexism. Tran is a beautiful woman and can ACT when given a good role. She is int he same tier as Boyega and what Lucas Films did to her is a fucking travesty.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Having just spent an hour reading this thread my hatred for JJ, Rian and Kathleen have magnified tenfold, my respect for John Boyega has increased marginally and I do feel somewhat bad that the NuWars' faggoty fanbase are going to make it their mission to turn him into a black literallyHitler for daring to step out of line, and I'm absolutely floored by how bad all of the shit in the leaks is and hoping to Zeus that Disney is releasing fake spoilers to hide the fact that they somehow made a masterpiece that unfucks the entirety of the last 2 movies.

Want me to increase your hatred for Ryan Johnson even more?

There is one quote that tells you everything you need to know about him. Long story short Guillermo del Toro wanted to direct Breaking Bad's Ozymandias.

This is what he replied:

"Yeah, sorry, I'm the one who gets to fuck the prom queen."

In hindsight, We should've seen the early signs he was a jackass.

That attitude pretty explains a lot of what he does like why he killed Luke, despite the previous ep IX director being against it. He wanted to be the one to kill Luke, and Snoke, despite it making zero sense narratively.

That and, I know this is late, but him being delusional enough to, unironically, think everyone that calls him out on his shitty movie is a "Russian bot".

imagine being so narcissistic you think Russia would waste time and resources to troll a random director.

 

[Oaat]

...that doesn't explain Kylo unless we're supposed to just accept he's good now. Also...we are talking about Darth Plageis apprentice right? The guy that essentially wanted to cheat death. The guy that promised Anakin (well he could of very well lied) that he could save Padme. Also...again, if Rey is his clone, why tf does she not have dark force powers then? It's a freaking mess.

Alternatively: Darth Plagueis and Palpatine failed because their power came from the dark side. They refused to accept that they were on the wrong side of history, unlike Rey who will teach herself to become an immortal deity. Having dark side magic isn't genetic, it's like getting a class change.

 

[Muttnik]

Rian gives off a Dobson vibe. As in he's a nasally manlet who was probably bullied and is taking it out on the world as a result.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Want me to increase your hatred for Ryan Johnson even more?

There is one interview where he tells you everything you need to know about him. Long story short Guillermo del Toro wanted to direct Breaking Bad's Ozymandias.

This is what he replied:



On hindsight We should've seen the early signs he was a jackass.

That attitude pretty explains a lot of what he does like why he killed Luke, despite the previous ep IX director being against it. He wanted to be the one to kill Luke, and Snoke, despite it making zero sense narratively.

That and, I know this is late, but him being delusional enough to, unironically, think everyone that calls him out on his shitty movie is a "Russian bot".

But I'm guessing the later is public knowledge already... but the breaking bad thing was just unbelievably childish.

Aaaand now I hate the manchild enough to want him dead, whereas before I just wanted someone to kick his ass. Not only is Del Toro a director leagues above Rian that Rian doesn't deserve the privilege and honor of sharing an existence with, Sean Connory doesn't deserve to have one of his best quotes soiled by Rian's soy guzzling lips.

 

[Oaat]

That and, I know this is late, but him being delusional enough to, unironically, think everyone that calls him out on his shitty movie is a "Russian bot".

The Russian bot hysterics had gotten so routine it took me awhile to realize how stupid this is.

 

[Jaimas]

I don't know why but the fact that they're trying to fix the trilogy with the shitty hodgepodge of a third film and have stans to try and say that the film that fucked every character (old and new) is the best out of the entire franchise just makes me seethe in anger. My only knowledge of Disney Stars Wars out of the two movies I paid to watch and the cartoons series that's on TV is a podcast that talks about the new canon and the occasional look-through of the Wookiepedia. But I can just feel anger that you would see in a long-time fan since the old canon for everything around this, like...ohhhhhhhhhhh you fucks

Just give me the MATI rating for the hell of it.

If you want, I can explain it. It's long though.

TFA for all its problems introduced likable characters, and even Rey was tolerable when things began. So how they fucked that up might seem a little unusual for those not familiar with this sort of phenomenon, and is entirely predictable to those who've studied media at all the in the last decade:

A bunch of untalented speds got in charge of the clubhouse, and started gatekeeping. Originally, they were intending to keep political opponents out, push like-minded buddies to the forefront, but soon their net tightened and they cracked down on everyone more talented than they were. In short order, this led to coterie of like-minded, mostly untalented assholes who all agree with one another and who hate everyone who won't kiss their ass. Unfortunately, nobody wants their very artsy personal project shit, so they came upon a solution: rather than create something new or interesting (which would take effort), they would take existing franchises and then warp them until they fit their personal vision. This happens all the time in media, but it's really obvious to see now because many of the people doing this are now openly partisan in their politics.

For the new trilogy stan, their arguments have nothing to do with the movie's quality (or lack thereof) and everything to do with posturing. Most of the people stanning it self-evidently can't defend it for any reason that isn't a really stupid progressive talking point (the kind even SJWs would write off as being a stretch) or trenchant complaint about how the fandom is mean and deserved to not be catered to, ignoring the obvious fact that the fans are the people who self-evidently care about the series the most and would bring in easy money. So what's the real reason?

They'll never admit to it, but the reason they like the new trilogy is specifically because it's a fucking zero-talent mess that will never challenge them on any level. The quintessential easy mode that won't make them think, will uphold their stupid political and social worldviews, and denigrate those that disagree with them.

If you go looking through post-collapse Marvel's catalogue you'll see their comics are full of SJW-made heroes just like Rey - overpowered, never having to work for anything, never having meaningful challenges that aren't things they'll inevitably dominate. The supporting cast will never be more than checkboxes, the enemy never anything more than the embodiment of whatever evil they want to foist the blame for all problems on. Captain Planet villains will have more robust character motivations than their antagonists. So I'm not saying Rian Johnson is just another Social Justice-fellating postmodernist, but I am implying it, and we sure as shit know Kathleen Kennedy is.