The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

how about porn is legal but you're only allow to look at straight porn if you're gay, or gay porn if you're straight?

could we tax sperm as undocumented migrants?

 

[Freya]

People are capable of transcending their upbringing,

most don't. virtually everyone in prison is from a broken family for instance. rags to riches stories are extreme outliers.

That is not true and the places that do in foreign countries that limit sizes of drink, etc does not stop or has helped to lower the obesity rate.

False.

Compared with adults not aware, adults who were aware of the SSB tax were more likely (OR = 1.30) to report a decrease in SSB consumption (p = .012). In urban areas, adults aware of the tax drank a significantly lower amount of taxed SSBs (-15.7%; p = .023) than those not aware. Self-efficacy and liking of SSBs were significantly associated with a reported decrease in consumption and with current consumption (p < .001), while health beliefs and availability of potable water were not significantly associated with either reported change in SSB consumption or current consumption of taxed SSBs.

Does the Mexican sugar-sweetened beverage tax have a signaling effect? ENSANUT 2016

Objective To evaluate the potential signaling effect of the Mexican tax on sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) by analyzing the association between awareness of and opinions about its effectiveness with current consumption of taxed SSBs and with a self-reported change in consumption of SSBs since...

journals.plos.org

Smokers being regulated has not reduced the numbers for smokers, the reason smoking gone down is due to culture changing it's attitude about it. Enforcing regulation on anything does not stop jack shit unless the mindset behind it changes along with it.

lol @ thinking those two things don't go hand in hand. Heavy taxation of cigarettes started in the 70s after numerous studies showing it's health effects. In the 80s, everyone was still smoking but the rates steadily declined by then.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

most don't. virtually everyone in prison is from a broken family for instance. rags to riches stories are extreme outliers.

Anybody becoming rich is an extreme outlier and not everyone from a broken home ends up in prison. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect but I still don't think legislation built around the worst parents in society is in the best interests of society as a whole. If you have shitty parents they'll find a way to fuck you up regardless of whether it's through access to porn.

 

[Freya]

Anybody becoming rich is an extreme outlier and not everyone from a broken home ends up in prison. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect but I still don't think legislation built around the worst parents in society is in the best interests of society as a whole. If you have shitty parents they'll find a way to fuck you up regardless of whether it's through access to porn.

I can respect that argument, but it's pretty clear that porn has proven to be a major social contagion and public health issue.

Something is very wrong when the vast majority of pre-pubescent children have watched it, so it's not as if this is only happening under the watch of the very worst parents. Parents working full-time can't obsessively monitor every thing their kids views online. Even if they did, they can hear about it from other kids at school.

The crux of the issue: Why should the pornographers' "rights" be more important than the rights of children to grow up in a healthy environment?

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Here’s my two cents: Porn is not healthy for really little kids. For teens it’s a bit of a gray area but definitely not for kids. However, it should be the duty of the parents not the state to enforce this. I realize that it is hard for parents to constantly monitor their child’s internet activity but getting the government involved would be a fucking mess. Our government is run by out of touch boomers who don’t have a proper understanding of how the internet and internet culture work. As such any laws or executive orders would likely be written in an incompetent manner that would screw everyone over.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

The crux of the issue: Why should the pornographers' "rights" be more important than the rights of children to grow up in a healthy environment?

As far as I'm aware, children have no right to such an amorphous concept as a "healthy environment". We hope that they're provided one by their guardians and we have laws that protect all people from abuse, neglect, etc. I'd be more on board with laws that penalize parents who fail to take reasonable steps to protect their children from exposure to pornography than anything.

As I said earlier in the thread, I'm capable of securing all of my devices against surfing objectionable material. What goes on outside of my home is unfortunately outside of my control but that doesn't obviate my responsibilities in areas where I can exert influence. I'd be comfortable with laws stating that anybody who didn't take the time or spend the moneys that may be necessary to lock down their devices is guilty of neglect and ought to be penalized. Obviously if another child exposes my child to pornography that shouldn't come down on me but maybe that child's guardians should be held responsible for their inaction.

At the end of the day, I'm totally uninterested in controlling broad swathes of society over what are failures of individual people. It's the same as trying to take guns away because murderers exist; we have laws against murder and we oughtn't punish everyone beforehand for crimes they haven't committed.

 

[Freya]

As far as I'm aware, children have no right to such an amorphous concept as a "healthy environment".

They do. And their rights are more important than the director of "Swallow My Squirt 4".

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

They do. And their rights are more important than the director of "Swallow My Squirt 4".

The only thing I can find on that matter is this:

Children’s Right to a Healthy Environment

www.hrw.org

Beyond the fact that the UN is a toothless, decrepit joke, this is talking about environment in the ecological sense, not the social one.

 

[Rotollo]

Glad the PQ is now its own separate thread, it was kinda derailing the Torba thread

how about porn is legal but you're only allow to look at straight porn if you're gay, or gay porn if you're straight?

could we tax sperm as undocumented migrants?

That just means more people would jack it to trap porn though, and sexuality is already kinda fucked rn in general for alot of people.

I honestly would be fine with porn being regulated so that kids don't have as much access to it. It might be a typical "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS" argument, but the average age people start watching porn is around the age 11, which is not exactly what I would call a healthy age to watch this shit since it will fuck up your views of the opposite sex and how you interact with them (mostly boys with girls, but it will have an effect on young girls and their relationship with boys). This is a crucial time in terms of just one's sexual development and puberty going on around this age, and if you get all your ideas about sexuality from porn, you probably won't become a rapist but there will be massive sexual dysfunction later on in life and I think we're living in the end result of that. While I definitely have a problem with porn on the whole from a religious standpoint, I really just want to address the ubiquitous availability of it more than anything right now. In the past, porn existed but you had to go to the porn shop or to the skeevy section of a store to find it (or maybe the woods or behind your dad's cabinet). Now, you can just pull up your smartphone and look at it on the go. I don't even care so much about amateur stuff because that always will exist. It's the professional stuff that is actively making a profit pretty much destroying the lives of their actors and actresses along with those of the kids watching it. I think we need to do something about it now, because things will only get worse for society if this problem isn't addressed now.

The only way that you would be able to verify age is by giving some seedy website your id or some shit, and most people who have any form of common sense wont trust a company with their ID
The problem with trying to bring it back to the "porn shop" days is that brick and mortar has been and will be dying since online fronts keep growing over time.
Whatever obscure fetish people have can and will be found somewhere on the internet and brick and mortar just cant compete with that.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Why are we talking about kids? Who gives a fuck? If little billy (7) sees 2 people screwing how does this irreversibly destroy his psyche? His innocence is lost and he starts raping the family dog?

I don't see what the big deal is. I was looking at it when I was 10. Who cares?

It can actually have serious negative effects on children; certain types of sex seem violent to kids, even if they're fairly vanilla. If your first exposure to sex is taken as a violent, dangerous experience that can fuck you up later on by conflating sex with violence and causing you to act on that misapprehension, whether by engaging in violent sex or fearing sex in general.

Also, other than children being exposed to porn, the whole debate is meaningless.

 

[gDFGdsjigdfsdfsdk]

It seriously amazes me to see the mental gymnastics people will do to defend the idea of "regulating" porn.

To all the people saying that porn is degrading peoples' mind and body is fucking vapid, seeing as how other things like tobacco and alcohol are capable of the same exact.
Last time I checked, booze and smokes didn't fucking destroy society or do anything nearly as cataclysmic as the things a lot of chodes are saying porn is doing.

Yes, porn addiction is a real thing, but you know what else is real? The ability for people to become addicted to literally anything. Stop trying to justify your intrusion on how people want to spend their time because some poor schmucks made some shitty decisions.

Also as for the kids, it should be entirely up to the parent to take responsibility for preventing their kids from accessing this shit. I mean let's be completely honest, when kids hit puberty, they become unflappably horny.
Trying to prevent these hormone ridden fuck-nuggets from trying to find something to beat off to is like trying to stop it from raining.
The idea that porn also gives people unrealistic ideas about sex is retarded. Most normal people can tell fiction apart from reality. Should we ban super hero movies because they give people unrealistic depictions of fighting? The answer is no.

Oh and porn is protected under the first amendment, you can find more info on the details here: https://reason.com/2019/10/04/pornography-is-protected-by-the-first-amendment/

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

The idea that porn also gives people unrealistic ideas about sex is exceptional. Most normal people can tell fiction apart from reality. Should we ban super hero movies because they give people unrealistic depictions of fighting? The answer is no

There's a pretty firm distinction between the two that I think you're missing; pornography can be construed as documentary as opposed to fictive. A lot of professional porn doesn't even bother with a 'story' anymore, and amateur porn almost never does; what you're viewing isn't presented in the same light as a fictional creation. Humans can't fly, don't have lasers where there eyes should be, can't bend time, cast spells, etc., so it's easy to remember that what you're seeing is outside of the realm of the possible.Porn is different; these are two (or more) people performing sexual acts on each other. It might be unrealistic sex, but it is happening, and some people do enjoy the more extreme things that are portrayed. It could be argued that most of the professional porn 'actors' are just pretending to be having as much fun as they seem to be, but faking it is something that normal people do.

Don't get me wrong, I think banning porn is a ridiculous idea for all of the reasons I've gone through in this thread already, but I definitely believe that it's not at all clear that adults, let alone children, can distinguish 'fake' fucking from the real thing.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

I was looking at it when I was 10

and now you post on kiwifarms

 

[Idiotron]

While I don't agree with banning porn, the shit that people have easy access to these days is ridiculous.
Stuff that used to be hardcore in the 90's is considered regular now.
Never in history did we have the level of porn we do now and frankly, it is destructive to society.
We can talk about self control all day but most people (especially men) don't have it.
We now have hundreds of millions of porn addicts all over the world and that addiction is much stronger than to most drugs out there.
I myself had to go cold turkey because it was making my life worse and it was really difficult to do so. I can quit anything else with zero problems but porn... quitting it was the hardest battle of my life.
I still get urges to go to certain websites which is probably very similar to how ex-alcoholics feel.

We are so woefully unprepared for the internet age.
We think we're in control but we're wrong.
We're primitive beings with sophisticated technology.

 

[gDFGdsjigdfsdfsdk]

While I don't agree with banning porn, the shit that people have easy access to these days is ridiculous.
Stuff that used to be hardcore in the 90's is considered regular now.
Never in history did we have the level of porn we do now and frankly, it is destructive to society.
We can talk about self control all day but most people (especially men) don't have it.
We now have hundreds of millions of porn addicts all over the world and that addiction is much stronger than to most drugs out there.

Do you have, like, any proof of this? Because from the research I did, the only solid number I found was around 8% of adults. And before you say it, 13% of adults are smokers and 6% are alcoholics.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

I speculate that most of the strange, degenerate shit we see online is a result of a genuine idiosyncracy merging with deteriorating sexual ideals/image. No sexually healthy person is going to get aroused from looking at a bike pump while imagining being inflated like a balloon. Someone who has been inured in increasingly hardcore pornography since the 6th grade might.

Pornography is damaging because it is the sexual equivalent of a bump of cocaine. The act of busting a fat nut bypasses the effort normally required, creating a short circuit in the reward center of the brain. This effort circumvention behavior desensitizes dopamine receptors, leading to a situation where a chronic masturbator is constantly chasing the purple dragon of their first experience. The thing about purple dragons is that they're impossible to catch. Along that journey, some people descend into very deep rabbit holes (both literal and figurative) that are hard or impossible to emerge from.

Beyond that, pornography encourages laziness and selfishness in the world of courtship and romance. Why get all dressed up for a date when you can just jack off? Why improve yourself when you're only a few keywords and some friction away from that hit of dopamine that you crave? If you can overcome those hurdles and land a date, why bother listening to this woman yammer on and on for the chance at sex, not the guarantee of a quick fap before bed?
Porn also makes young men insecure about their physique. Too many guys get hung up on their status as hung or not. Most women don't care about size if you're within one standard deviation of the mean pecker size, they care about technique and emotional connection.

I used to be reliant on pornography for sexual satisfaction. It made me lazy and complacent in my love life. After I met my wife I cut back and quit the habit for the most part, but I know that my old habit did me more harm than good. I'd say that I'm better off now that I've stopped relying on porn for satisfaction.

 

[Jan_Hus]

While I don't agree with banning porn, the shit that people have easy access to these days is ridiculous.
Stuff that used to be hardcore in the 90's is considered regular now.
Never in history did we have the level of porn we do now and frankly, it is destructive to society.
We can talk about self control all day but most people (especially men) don't have it.
We now have hundreds of millions of porn addicts all over the world and that addiction is much stronger than to most drugs out there.
I myself had to go cold turkey because it was making my life worse and it was really difficult to do so. I can quit anything else with zero problems but porn... quitting it was the hardest battle of my life.
I still get urges to go to certain websites which is probably very similar to how ex-alcoholics feel.

We are so woefully unprepared for the internet age.
We think we're in control but we're wrong.
We're primitive beings with sophisticated technology.

Please tell us more about your struggle with giving up porn.

 

[Where Do You Find Them?]

Every generation thinks they invented sex.

 

[Wesley Willis]

This is puritanical bullshit. Children are exposed extreme violence daily. No one seems to do anything because violent video games and cartoons don't create psychopaths, the same way sexual imagery won't automatically turn the kid into a degenerate. It's a very repressed attitude. 'OMG MUH SECKS! Go play Fortnite instead!"

I think the question at what point does the child become traumatized by viewing obscene material? Where is the line?

 

[ApatheticViewer]

This is puritanical bullshit. Children are exposed extreme violence daily. No one seems to do anything because violent video games and cartoons don't create psychopaths, the same way sexual imagery won't automatically turn the kid into a degenerate. It's a very repressed attitude. 'OMG MUH SECKS! Go play Fortnite instead!"

I think the question at what point does the child become traumatized by viewing obscene material? Where is the line?

I'm probably alone on this but my hardline stance has always been to burn down the barriers. Porn on cable television and ISIS execution videos on YouTube. Let's just stop trying to police everything and just blow up morality and political correct media already. Fuck everything let's hit the bottom.

Thats just like my opinion tho.