Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[HeyYou]

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Jesus Christ, please tell me it's not real:

I have no words... it way worse as I thought. Rey is such a Mary Sue the two protagonist of the 2 past trilogies are telling Rey how awesome he is.

I mean one thing is to shill Rey, another is to shit on Luke and Rey and tell them they are inferior to Rey.

Jesus Christ.

Fake, I think. I recall the leaks saying that the three ghosts were Luke, Leia and Kylo at the ending scene. I don't remember if they talk.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Fake, I think.

Oh. Nevermind then. I deleted it as for a moment I thought it was real.

I guess, not even J.J could fall that low... right?

 

[Shield Breaker]

See here's the thing about creating stuff, everything is like coal, there is the potential of it becoming a diamond, but it requires a lot of pressure (effort) to form it and requires maintenance (creativity) to make it shine bright. Some comics can be good in the right hands, but then again some comics shouldn't exist at all.

It's just mating between two humanoid aliens, he's not the first hybrid of a human and Twi'lek.

Genetically it shouldn't work or produce sterile offspring like a coy-dog, which are more susceptible to genetic fuck ups. This site has plenty of proof people will stick their dicks in anything, and why nature doesn't tolerate that shit.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

Genetically it shouldn't work or produce sterile offspring like a coy-dog, which are more susceptible to genetic fuck ups. This site has plenty of proof people will stick their dicks in anything, and why nature doesn't tolerate that shit.

That is true, but this is also the race whose women are most likely to be sex slaves so there might be some in-universe biological bs that says Twi'leks are able to reproduce with almost any race that can do mammalian reproduction. And hell genetics is a weird thing irl where a kid takes more after one parent, the other, or other relatives, so it's possible to get a more Twi'lek-looking hybrid with minimal human features and a more human-looking hybrid with minimal Twi'lek features.

 

[TheMysteriousAHole]

Also a long standing rule in SW is that humans and near-humans with a similar genetic template, anatomy and/or origin can reproduce. Twileks though were always a bit inconsistent with reproduction, mostly because of Karen Traviss since she said one thing (no babies between humans and twileks) while other writers said they could have babies.

My memory could be bad here but I recall the inability of humans and twi'leks being able to bred being as far back as Stackpole's X-Wing novels. Remember the worm head attorney turned fighter pilot who hooked up with the human female? I recall something about them not being able to have kids together and instead having to adopt.

 

[HeyYou]

You guys are overthinking it. People wanted humans in Star Wars to be able to breed the hot blue alien ladies, so they made it so. I think humans and Togruta can have offspring too. I can't remember if that's true for Mirialans as well.

 

[Creep3r]

So since Snoke is just a shitty Palpatine clone, does this mean Snoke's fancy gold slippers were Palpatine's?

My memory could be bad here but I recall the inability of humans and twi'leks being able to bred being as far back as Stackpole's X-Wing novels. Remember the worm head attorney turned fighter pilot who hooked up with the human female? I recall something about them not being able to have kids together and instead having to adopt.

Shit. You're right. My bad Traviss. Still though, one way to explain the inconsistency is that maybe offworld twi'leks descended from slaves may have adapted accordingly. But the one in Rebels is the daughter of a pure Twi'lek whose family never left her homeworld. So how the fuck can she have kids you ask? Bullshit plot convenience.

You guys are overthinking it. People wanted humans in Star Wars to be able to breed the hot blue alien ladies, so they made it so. I think humans and Togruta can have offspring too. I can't remember if that's true for Mirialans as well.

Mirialans can have babies just fine with humans if I recall. They're just green skinned humans anyway.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

You guys are overthinking it. People wanted humans in Star Wars to be able to breed the hot blue alien ladies, so they made it so. I think humans and Togruta can have offspring too. I can't remember if that's true for Mirialans as well.

Let's go with what we trust and say yes.

 

[Marco Fucko]

So since Snoke is just a shitty Palpatine clone, does this mean Snoke's fancy gold slippers were Palpatine's?
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Not to give too much credit to the Nu-Wars crew, but both older versions of Palpatine and the movie incarnation display high end aesthetic tastes, so that very well may be a possibility.

 

[Creep3r]

No new leaked pics yet, but I saw this on /tv/ and thought it was funny enough to share.

Also that John Campea fuck who liked TLJ hated IX.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

So to my understanding, the "Palpatine" we see in this movie will basically be a reanimated corpse?

Damn, if that isn't telling about the current state of Star Wars altogether ... Talk about the art reflecting reality.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

You know I'm glad they are getting bad reviews, even from the usual shills.

Speaking from experience, If there is something worse than seeing your childhood heroes being ruined, is seeing a crowd cheer to them being destroyed, all while you watch in horror; questioning yourself if you are crazy for hating it.

That's why I'm glad this thread exists. Not only are we not crazy, but we aren't alone in this wild ride.

 

[Muttnik]

In the end, the real Star Wars was the pissed off friends we made along the way.

 

[Jaimas]

Let's be fair: We all knew this was coming. And while the ST finally going down in flames from a fusillade of explosions is particularly cathartic and may have ramifications for years if not decades to come, let us stop for a moment and ponder how we got to this point.

I still don't have answers on why they made the decisions they did.

I perfectly understand the process by which they came to that decision and the underlying justifications they specifically have said about it, but ultimately I've got nothing as far as why they were possessed by the need to do what they did. There has never, in the entire span of human history, been a situation where a work of media has gone intentionally out of its way to insult, degrade, and belittle its own customer base, and this translating to increased sales. Whatever point they thought they were making, there had to have been someone, at some level, who signed off on the decisions and green-lit things, and that prospect simultaneously fascinates me and terrifies me. Someone at some point had to think this was financially a good idea.

I can make educated guesses, of course. Abrams, Ku Klux Kennedy, and Johnson all have made no bones about cramming their own ideological slant and their own personal worldview into the movies, from Kylo being a not-even-remotely subtle dig at the fandom to Episode VIII basically being a two-and-a-half-hour double deuce to the fandom. But all of those are symptoms, not the underlying cause. Why did they think that this would fly? Why did they think there'd be no consequences for that decision? And how the hell are they still employed?

 

[Marco Fucko]

Why did they think that this would fly? Why did they think there'd be no consequences for that decision? And how the hell are they still employed?

Both JJ and Kennedy are industry vets and that always introduces the danger of complacency. Add to that association with the type of arrogant megacorp Disney has continually demonstrated itself to be, and you're running into a lot of the type of people who actually think they're hot shit and not just doing a job out of passion or professionalism.

This attitude is probably best illustrated with Johnson: he came into a mainline entry in a pulpy sci-fi fantasy adventure franchise and tried to get "artistic" and "subversive", as it were. Even in some of the more out there Star Wars stories, nuance is delivered in a straightforward fashion. Star Wars is not the crazy auteur piece that nobody understands, it is an almost universal hero's journey adventure inspired from all angles by other enjoyable entertainment.

 

[HeyYou]

Both JJ and Kennedy are industry vets and that always introduces the danger of complacency. Add to that association with the type of arrogant megacorp Disney has continually demonstrated itself to be, and you're running into a lot of the type of people who actually think they're hot shit and not just doing a job out of passion or professionalism.

This attitude is probably best illustrated with Johnson: he came into a mainline entry in a pulpy sci-fi fantasy adventure franchise and tried to get "artistic" and "subversive", as it were. Even in some of the more out there Star Wars stories, nuance is delivered in a straightforward fashion. Star Wars is not the crazy auteur piece that nobody understands, it is an almost universal hero's journey adventure inspired from all angles by other enjoyable entertainment.

Funnily enough, I think JJ actually put it best. TLJ gets far too meta, and Star Wars fans don't want to watch a meta movie.

 

[Muttnik]

I wouldn't feel this angry if Disney wasn't running on pure arrogance. It would be one thing to make shitty movies and be incredibly sorry to the fans. Look what happened to the Sonic movie after the people behind it humbled themselves--everyone appreciated their apology and now some are going to see the movie purely out of respect.

Ruin had it all wrong. Failure is not the greatest teacher. ARROGANCE is. Because the reality of life is that you will always take a major fall at some point and come to a crossroads. You either learn and grow and come back wiser or you stay in your self-absorbed bubble and stagnate.

Star Wars is a franchise given life by its fans. It's not something you can fuck up without consequence. The honorable route would have been to apologise and maybe start over. But this is Disney and there was no way in hell they'd admit error.

 

[Ghostse]

Why did they think that this would fly? Why did they think there'd be no consequences for that decision? And how the hell are they still employed?

The abused wives in this thread who continue to eat & pay for Disney's shit sandwiches is why. I mean not them specifically as individuals, I mean collectively the Star Wars nerds who have bitched and moaned for nearly four decades but still open their wallets like pavlov's paypigs for merch.
They complain about Han should still be shooting first & what a travesty the special edition is, how terrible the prequels are... but own all 6 movies on DVD. And on Blu-Ray. And the special box set with the behind the scenes features. And the special box set with the cast & crew interviews. And the special box set with the reproduced autographs of George, Harrison, Mark and Carrie. And the special box set shaped like Vader's helmet. And the special boxset with the live cast of george's semi-errect penis. And that's not counting how much they shelled out the action figures posed on the shelf in front of the movies.

This is the thread specifically for people who hate what Disney is doing to the franchise, and people here still can't stop forking over cash to the Rat - because if they don't purchase product, there is a fear there won't be any new product to get excited about.
Its hard to argue "being a star wars fan doesn't necessitate being Disney's consumer whore" when evidence to the contrary is all around.

They had no way of knowing this would turn Star Wars from being a wildly profitable franchise to only a moderately profitable on.

 

[mindlessobserver]

You know I'm glad they are getting bad reviews, even from the usual shills.

Speaking from experience, If there is something worse than seeing your childhood heroes being ruined, is seeing a crowd cheer to them being destroyed, all while you watch in horror; questioning yourself if you are crazy for hating it.

That's why I'm glad this thread exists. Not only are we not crazy, but we aren't alone in this wild ride.

I think that is what has infuriated me more then anything else if I am being quite honest. One of my earliest childhood memories was Luke Skywalker doing the Trench Run. Seeing what Disney did to him was...so maddening. I think it was made all the worse because in Force Awakens it ended with Rey offering Luke his lightsabre and two years later he fucking throws it over his shoulder for a cheap gag before going to milk a sea cow.

In those two years between what was promised and what was given I wanted to believe that at least Star Wars could bring us all together. And instead we got a Fourth Wave feminist diatribe combined with a subplot with an on the nose moral story about how "War is Bad" and "Animals have feels". It was absolutely deranging. And the shill media followed it up with claiming the fans were just "misogynists" who could not handle a strong female lead. Ignoring the fact that women hated the movie too because it depicted all the men as bumbling fools.

I will now point to the Mandalorian show again, and now posit a question. What do women want to see in a Star Wars Show. Do they want to see men who are incompetent, immature, easily subdued by other women, run roughshod over and die pointlessly? Or do they want to see a man who is supremely confident, competent, and also willing to use his confidence and competency to protect a largely defenseless infant?

I think the ratings speak for themselves. The failure of Nu-Wars speaks to the failure of social justice feminism itself. Not only do the idiots behind the movies fail to understand star wars, they also fail to understand the target demographic they hoped to replace all those icky boys with.

 

[buying gf]

Also that John Campea fuck who liked TLJ hated IX.

I'm interested as to why he (and other critics who praised TLJ) didn't like it. Was it because it retconned or ignored a whole lot of stuff from TLJ? Or was the film so bad even they couldn't defend it?