r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

[TyroneCoalburn]

I want to agree with you, but the rule where you are forced to smile sounds like bullshit to me.

unfortunately not. you indeed can "hear" a smile through the phone since making a smile subtly changes your tone of voice etc.

 

[Useless Idiot]

It would be one thing if the sub was focused on becoming self employed, or homesteading, but they just want to take without giving, and treat it as a great rebellious moral grandstand. The screencap earlier in this thread saying "Fuck Volunteering" pissed me off, because its that attitude that enables the capitalist society the hate so much.

They literally want to do nothing with their lives. It isn't even a real socialist argument because a socialist wouldn't say "doing help for other people sucks, I just wanna stay home forever instead!" These people are "socialists" in that they think that ideology is most likely to get them what they want (sitting at home watching Netflix all day). They're wrong since most socialist ideologies actually put a big premium on work, but this is what getting your socialist ideology from twitter results in.

The entire argument in this thread about people wanting to do something great with their lives but not being economically capable is kind of beside the point given literally none of the people posting in that sub would be capable of doing anything with their lives even if put in the absolute best possible place for success. Extremely high performing people are not lazy and that whole sub just reeks of general laziness.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

There used to be a great website for this kind of ideology called whywork.org (although they were not "anti-work" so much as "pro-leisure" according to their FAQ) but it seems to have died at some point in the last couple years, it's in the internet archive though and pretty much every page works because it was up for like 15 years and rarely changed (naturally).

Why Work? // Index

Welcome to CLAWS at whywork.org. We're a pro-leisure and anti-wage-slavery group of people dedicated to exploring the question: why work? This site provides information, support, and resources for those looking for alternatives to traditional employment.

We actively promote alternatives to the wage slavery mindset and what we call "The Cult of the Job" which automatically equates having a job with making a living.

If you start asking yourself "why work?" you may see a connection between wage slavery, misunderstandings of leisure, lifestyles based on consumption, corporate welfare, education that often amounts to little more than conditioning, and the global social, environmental, and economic crises we are now facing. We hope that the materials we feature here will encourage critical thinking about such things. This site is primarily about ideas and encouragement, so our focus is more philosophical than practical. However, ideas and action go hand-in-hand, so we're currently expanding the "practicality" sections.

"Considering the alternatives, I prefer self-employment to employment. After all, you usually make a lot more when you work for yourself and have much more independence. But my real choice is comfortable and creative unemployment."
- Steve Solomon

"Perhaps it is time the 'work ethic' was redefined and its idea reclaimed from the banal men who invoke it."
- Studs Terkel,
Working

"The United States desperately needs a public discussion that challenges the prevailing belief that a person's worth and social contribution can and should be measured primarily (or exclusively) by his or her income from paid work."
- Katherine McFate, "A Debate we Need," from Philippe Van Parijs'
What's Wrong With a Free Lunch?

"There is more for us in life than the nine to five work ethic and a life of clocks, finances, and shallow living."
- Tom Brown Jr.,
The Quest

"I would like to see people refusing to work in any job they felt was wrong. I would like to see work-dodgers: honourable and brave people who refuse to continue to feed this monstrous culture."
- Chris Busby,
in his foreword to Molly Scott Cato's book
Seven Myths About Work

 

[Boss Bass]

Now obviously most redditors get a D- when it comes to historical knowledge.

But the idea of once socialism is installed, we will all be artists shows a real lack of pattern recognition.

 

[Overcast]

Like, I get it. Work can be really hard and stressful. There are times where we feel we aren't being paid enough, and there are some pretty shitty employers out there. We even end up working at places we hate.

But you know what? You try and make the best of things. If you truly aren't happy with the job you have, take steps to find something else, start applying to other places, go to school, ect. The only thing that can stop yourself from having a happy life is you.

 

[Wallace]

They want to do nothing with their lives because they're middle-class NEETs who dropped out of liberal arts colleges due to anxiety and depression, and they glom onto a philosophy that makes their failures and misery someone else's fault instead of their own. This is why you get statements about how everyone is a "happy slave": they need this bullshit to be true to make their messed-up worldview work. Well, that and the typical mind fallacy.

 

[Overcast]

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Now obviously most redditors get a D- when it comes to historical knowledge.

But the idea of once socialism is installed, we will all be artists shows a real lack of pattern recognition.

I've seen this shit on tumblr back around 2013-2014

"Imagine real socialism. One day you go in and work at a factory, the next you stay home and make your ~le quirky speshul art uwu~, the next you help trans I mean educate the children, the next day you help harvest veggies. After that? 3 DAY WEEKEND You're free to Be Yourself™ under real socialism! #soft socialist boi #benedict cumberbumber is a socialist cinnamon roll"

I can only imagine how insufferable it is coming from redditors

 

[Gottahavemysips]

I hhhhhHHHHAAAAATE IT
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I really love this guy's unique posting style, excited for his next one, Fuck niggers

I kind of understand where the guy complaining about the volunteering thing is coming from, at least in terms of how boomers really like suggesting it. Sure, the way it was intoned is really whiny, but I've been suggested this so many times I actually wonder if every single boomer got a job this way, by working for absolutely no pay. Hell, official internship programs have a lot of issues with this shit, like business owners that won't actually give credit for work experience. I'm not about to stick my neck out by walking into a business and saying I want to do their dirty work for no compensation. So yeah, volunteering for a company in the hope of getting a job out of it is pretty dumb.
However, I now have this sneaking suspicion that the poster is in high school and is bitching about community service hours that are so common in private schools. The guy is probably pissed he has to work at a soup kitchen, actually helping people.

 

[Dave.]

I take a week of vacation time and I go crazy from boredom. Doesn't it get boring and depressing for these people when they don't go to work?

 

[Overcast]

I take a week of vacation time and I go crazy from boredom. Doesn't it get boring and depressing for these people when they don't go to work?

Yeah, but if they admit that, their whole argument comes crashing down on their heads.

 

[No Exit]

I looked for this screenshot for over an hour

Yeah, the consumerism of capitalism taught me how cool it is to produce something with my own blood, sweat, and tears and have people enjoy it. Such evil.

 

[Untrue and Dishonest]

I've seen this shit on tumblr back around 2013-2014

"Imagine real socialism. One day you go in and work at a factory, the next you stay home and make your ~le quirky speshul art uwu~, the next you help trans I mean educate the children, the next day you help harvest veggies. After that? 3 DAY WEEKEND You're free to Be Yourself™ under real socialism! #soft socialist boi #benedict cumberbumber is a socialist cinnamon roll"

I can only imagine how insufferable it is coming from redditors

You know the best thing about this? r/antiwork goes even beyond that. Something like this:

"Imagine real REAL socialism. One day you literally do nothing, the next you stay home and make your ~le quirky speshul art uwu~, the next you don't help trans I mean educate the children, the next day you do nothing again. 7 DAY WEEKEND You're free to Be Yourself™ under real socialism! #soft socialist boi #jobsaretheft #redditforlewin #benedict cumberbumber is a socialist cinnamon roll "

 

[A Logging Company]

They literally want to do nothing with their lives. It isn't even a real socialist argument because a socialist wouldn't say "doing help for other people sucks, I just wanna stay home forever instead!" These people are "socialists" in that they think that ideology is most likely to get them what they want (sitting at home watching Netflix all day). They're wrong since most socialist ideologies actually put a big premium on work, but this is what getting your socialist ideology from twitter results in.

The entire argument in this thread about people wanting to do something great with their lives but not being economically capable is kind of beside the point given literally none of the people posting in that sub would be capable of doing anything with their lives even if put in the absolute best possible place for success. Extremely high performing people are not lazy and that whole sub just reeks of general laziness.

Socialism, Communism and related movements at their core worship modern industrial work. If you read some of the earlier socialist and ancom writings, you get the sense that they feel capitalist is what stops proles from truly enjoying the joys of industrial labor. That's why its amusing to see this sub tie itself so close with Marxist subs, with the Marxist subs in agreement! You would think the Marxist would know better.

If you hate work, then capitalist welfare states is what you want. You have the state skim enough off the top to give bums and the like basic income and living situation. The second best option to that is homesteading, since you reduce your cost of living by doing a lot more for yourself, but then you just go from working-to-live to living-to-work, and even then you need somekind of income or cashflow for things like fuel and property tax. This can be done with some kind of hussle, like selling somekind of forrage or grown food, or making chainsaw wood carvings to sell at county fairs. But you can have the satisfaction that you really are against the system, barely participating in it. Even NEETbux keeps the system alive by justifying the government infrastrucutre for NEETbux, and the NEETbux going into the wagecuck economy.

I think what these guys are really raging at is employment, and have confused the specific notion of "employment" with the general notion of "work", and like I said earlier there are things you can do to avoid employment that aren't NEETbux, but with each there is a trade off of some sort. Employment itself is a trade off, but its the one that is the basis for most of society, and gets the most emphasis in culture and school, so you get people with tunnel vision, with a false dicotomy of WORK (emplyment) and NOT WORKING (non-employment).

And of course lazy bums.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I take a week of vacation time and I go crazy from boredom. Doesn't it get boring and depressing for these people when they don't go to work?

Yes which is why advocating for socialism has become their job.

 

[Hux]

Socialism, Communism and related movements at their core worship modern industrial work. If you read tough some socialist and ancom writings, you get the sense that they feel capitalist is what stops proles from truly enjoying the joys of industrial labor. That's why its amusing to see this sub tie itself so close with Marxist subs, with the Marxist subs in agreement! You would think the Marxist would know better.

You're kind of expecting too much of a collective of people who are by and large living in severe cases of prolonged adolescence and only latch onto whatever kind of socio-political philosophical ethos they skimmed through if they can use it as a mealy mouthed justification to keep living out the world view they held onto since the age of 16 of "Fuck you mom and dad, I don't wanna got to school or get a job, I wanna stay home and jerk off, play video games and smoke weed, now give me my allowance now now Now NOW NOW"

 

[ToroidalBoat]

They may think the Star Trek society could work IRL.

Not just the automation, but the post-scarcity and everyone magically getting along too.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

They literally want to do nothing with their lives. It isn't even a real socialist argument because a socialist wouldn't say "doing help for other people sucks, I just wanna stay home forever instead!" These people are "socialists" in that they think that ideology is most likely to get them what they want (sitting at home watching Netflix all day). They're wrong since most socialist ideologies actually put a big premium on work, but this is what getting your socialist ideology from twitter results in.

The entire argument in this thread about people wanting to do something great with their lives but not being economically capable is kind of beside the point given literally none of the people posting in that sub would be capable of doing anything with their lives even if put in the absolute best possible place for success. Extremely high performing people are not lazy and that whole sub just reeks of general laziness.

Traditional, old school socialist ideologies put a premium on work. Hip new modern socialists who got their political ideas from their druggie degenerate tenured professors and on social media are all about the idea of only working an hour a day or not having a job at all.

And they think that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos having a lot of money will somehow allow for that to happen, even when the amount of goods and services being produced dropping to almost nothing means there'd be nothing for them to buy with that appropriated rich ppl money.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

They may think the Star Trek society could work IRL.

Not just the automation, but the post-scarcity and everyone magically getting along too.

With a little eugenics, and whittling down the human population to a few hundred thousand, it just might work.

After all, near-extinction is how Star Trek managed utopia.

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

This all reminds me of a cartoon I saw as a kid.