Discuss the feasibility of an armed rebellion in the continental United States

[JosephStalin]

"The attack, in which gunmen fired on 17 electrical transformers, resulted in more than $15 million worth of equipment damage, but it had little impact on the station's electrical power supply. "
-Wikipedia

True. That's why I said a coordinated effort by multiple teams would be needed to cause a major disruption. And keep in mind that rifles may not be the only weapons used. Would also take this with a grain of salt. Tend to doubt "they" would want people to know if the effects were actually greater than depicted. Information is also a weapon of war.

 

[Emperor Julian]

That plus part of the reason evil regimes have the capacity to kill people’s family in the first place is that the attrition among the death squads would be minimal. How many raids with people shooting back would it take to crack the will of the authoritarian enforcers? How many of those enforcers would even be left once the aforementioned foundational culture kicks in?

I'd say having your immediate family shot and the local town destroyed would be far more devestating to Guerilla morale than insurgancy attrition vs trained soliders, campaigns boil down to the principles of morale and logistics. Crush the enemies will to live, take his capacity to do so.

Thinking on it, more important than combat training would be survival training as any insurgancy is going to find its supplies very quickly cut off.

traditionally a rebellion is going to have to rely on a weak hold on the state, diverted resources and/or foreign allies-all of which the American revolution had going on. Pretty much any stable national power with a big army is just going to be able to bleed a rebellion out by a mixture of iron fist and velvet glove as long as their's a net gain in holding the land. To win a USA insurgancy would have to able to get at least some states to totally break from the, get outside support from other nations while having enough of the population willing to rebel within state controlled areas.

this thread has some real potential for some top tier Autism, I can practically see people drooling at the mouth at the idea of fighting the Democrats tranny world order from their shed up in the boony's. I'm already sensing some ass pain in reactions when someones says they don't fancy the rebels odds, this could bea really fun thread to watch.

 

[Tour of Italy]

I'd say having your immediate family shot and the local town destroyed would be far more devestating to Guerilla morale than insurgancy attrition vs trained soliders, campaigns boil down to the principles of morale and logistics. Crush the enemies will to live, take his capacity to do so.

Thinking on it, more important than combat training would be survival training as any insurgancy is going to find its supplies very quickly cut off.

traditionally a rebellion is going to have to rely on a weak hold on the state, diverted resources and/or foreign allies-all of which the American revolution had going on. Pretty much any stable national power with a big army is just going to be able to bleed a rebellion out by a mixture of iron fist and velvet glove as long as their's a net gain in holding the land. To win a USA insurgancy would have to able to get at least some states to totally break from the, get outside support from other nations while having enough of the population willing to rebel with state controlling areas.

this thread has some real potential for some top tier Autism, I can practically see people drooling at the mouth at the idea of fighting the Democrats tranny world order from their shed up in the boony's. I'm already sensing some ass pain in reactions when someones says they don't fancy the rebels odds, this could bea really fun thread to watch.

I’m not referring attrition from an organized insurgency, I’m talking about the realities of trying to enact that kind morale-breaking cruelty in a country where one in three homes has a fucking gun in it.

Let’s entertain the possibility that Americans law enforcement and military personnel are willing to enact brutal Soviet-style atrocities on their fellow citizens. Word is going to get out. People will know what’s going on. Even if things have fractured to the point where half of America is cheering this on, you’re going to have a significant portion of the population that’s going to be forewarned. They’re going to know they have nothing to lose, and they’re going to be armed.

How many doors is your average enforcer going to be willing to kick in when he knows that it could be his last? The civilian on the other side doesn’t need to be organized, trained, or even all that prepared. The fact that they’re one of literally millions of Americans that have some way to shoot back would tip the scales. Soldiers are trained to fight an externalized threat, it’s unrealistic to expect that even the small percentage of hardened, disciplined fighters are prepared to bring violence against people in their own culture and communities, especially when they know they’ll be shooting back.

And once communities of people do start organizing, it would be happening in a country with access to literally 50% of the civilian owned firearms on the fucking globe.

I’m not saying it’s a sure thing for the insurgents, and I’ve said before that people who fantasize over the possibility of internal conflict are amoral, moronic or both. It would be absolute hell on every sense. But there are a lot of cultural and logistical factors that make the prospect of insurgency in the US utterly unique.

At the time being the cost would be too great for would-be authoritarians in power to clamp down but the more fractured we get and the less armed and prepared we allow ourselves to be the greater the chance for the scales tipping.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I’m not referring attrition from an organized insurgency, I’m talking about the realities of trying to enact that kind morale-breaking cruelty in a country where one in three homes has a fucking gun in it.

Let’s entertain the possibility that Americans law enforcement and military personnel are willing to enact brutal Soviet-style atrocities on their fellow citizens. Word is going to get out. People will know what’s going on. Even if things have fractured to the point where half of America is cheering this on, you’re going to have a significant portion of the population that’s going to be forewarned. They’re going to know they have nothing to lose, and they’re going to be armed.

How many doors is your average enforcer going to be willing to kick in when he knows that it could be his last? The civilian on the other side doesn’t need to be organized, trained, or even all that prepared. The fact that they’re one of literally millions of Americans that have some way to shoot back would tip the scales. Soldiers are trained to fight an externalized threat, it’s unrealistic to expect that even the small percentage of hardened, disciplined fighters are prepared to bring violence against people in their own culture and communities, especially when they know they’ll be shooting back.

And once communities of people do start organizing, it would be happening in a country with access to literally 50% of the civilian owned firearms on the fucking globe.

I’m not saying it’s a sure thing for the insurgents, and I’ve said before that people who fantasize over the possibility of internal conflict are amoral, moronic or both. It would be absolute hell on every sense. But there are a lot of cultural and logistical factors that make the prospect of insurgency in the US utterly unique.

At the time being the cost would be too great for would-be authoritarians in power to clamp down but the more fractured we get and the less armed and prepared we allow ourselves to be the greater the chance for the scales tipping.

A evil regime like that has a couple of options, it's probably worth noting the 3rd reich actually relaxed gun laws for the citizens it wasnt planning on gassing. Genrally I doubt you're going to get anything like an insurection level required to make weight of numbers an issue. Once the Jackboot descends most peoples balls pack up and leave, especially if you still get your creature comforts in tbe regime.

The interesting part is if the Regime is right wing in which case it might even tolerate firearms and target demographics the farms is usually antagonistic to initially. Gradually moving their way around political dissidents who are less likely to have much firearm training.
Now if a couple of states of the US actually break from the union then an insurection has a fighting chance as their going to now how resoarce stretch as they've forced to expend resoarces to either lock down said states and sympethetic states still within the union and/or engage the rogue states in direct combat.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

There are good reasons why the alphabet niggers have been trying to astroturf an armed uprising against ZOG since at least the 70s.

Remember the old militia saying: "Who's the Fed? He's the one agitating for violence."

 

[The Grognard]

There are good reasons why the alphabet niggers have been trying to astroturf an armed uprising against ZOG since at least the 70s.

Remember the old militia saying: "Who's the Fed? He's the one agitating for violence."

The Feds are more about doing entrapment and baiting on any would-be terrorist to say stupid shit that holds up in the court where they get their lives nuked, just so that the alphabet boys can justify their funding for the next few years.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

All it takes is for a good portion of the population to side with insurgents over one core issue and in the US its gunz. Once your survivalists, preppers, sovereign citizens and all the other anti-authoritarian nuts organize in the countryside viet cong style, its a matter of time for the anti-authoritarian city crazies to join in IRA style. You'd be surprised how many 2A purists you can find even in ultra liberal NYC, imagine the rest of the US.

Previously, politicians avoided any attacks on the right to own firearms for this reason but now we have truly exceptional mental defectives trying to kill the Second Amendment so it could happen.

 

[TheYellowKing]

Finally some fucking common sense in this thread.
May I also remind you that the US military has a $1tn yearly budget and a military-industrial complex that's clamoring for excuses to further increase it. Even if you fat rètards and rednecks somehow organise something resembeling a "resistance", they'd drone strike you into dust and flatten what's left of you with a convoy of tanks.

Yes, because that military did so well with illiterates in Afghanistan with a lower average IQ than those darn "redknecks".

 

[byuu]

America's military gained a ton of experience fighting a heavily-armed populace in the last decades.

If they really went all out, they'd find any militia hideout quickly thanks to state of the art satellite imagery and listening in to all communications. Then they just have to drone-strike the fuck out of it.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

America's military gained a ton of experience fighting a heavily-armed populace in the last decades.

If they really went all out, they'd find any militia hideout quickly thanks to state of the art satellite imagery and listening in to all communications. Then they just have to drone-strike the fuck out of it.

You can't sit down and just analyze satellite photos of the entire United States at all times, and determine whether or not someone is a militia member simply based on them.

Similarly, if you think the US military is capable of listening to the phone calls of all 330 million people at all times, then you're tarded.

You are grossly underestimating how much work that would be, and overestimating the amount of manhours the US military is capable of spending on anything.

Satellite imaging and communications bugging are great assets when used for surveillance of a specific area, or to keep tabs on a specific person and his network of associates. Saying they are a method of finding and rooting out a guerilla force that looks indistinguishable from the locals (because they are the locals) is as ridiculous as saying "well the FBI has access to the internet so they should be able to find every single hacker and distributor of CP in the world ever".

 

[TheYellowKing]

America's military gained a ton of experience fighting a heavily-armed populace in the last decades.

If they really went all out, they'd find any militia hideout quickly thanks to state of the art satellite imagery and listening in to all communications. Then they just have to drone-strike the fuck out of it.

Once again, almost twenty years of fighting insurgency in Afghanistan and Iraq has shown that the US military and drones consistently lose in the long run. After thousands of drone strikes the Taliban outright controls large swathes of Afghanistan and thats coming from mostly illiterate farmers. William Lind has done a great job discussing how satellites, drones, mass surveillance and secret police are extraordinarily ineffective for a lot of reasons.

Heres a map of the Taliban's current control of Afghanistan after the US military went all out for 20 years.
Taliban Control

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Why do you retards, like everybody else, assume it’s the Entire US Military against sovereign citizens?

Has there ever been a civil war where a large chunk of the military didn’t defect?

Has there ever been a civil war where gunrunners and foreign governments didn’t supply both sides?

Neck yourselves

 

[Non-Expert!]

Optimistic.

Most Americans have never seen combat. Few have witnessed riots and mobs where people get shot in the street. Those who have, are generally traumatized from it.

If a police officer as much as directs a fart at a black teenager we have protests reminding us that Black lives matter. Armies of SJWs shoot rhetorical arrows at everyone in sight, including themselves.

Hillbillies, gangstas, looters, alt-right, and gun enthusiasts, whether they like it or not, are also members of this society.

Catch is, very few of the people who think badass thoughts, and say and do badass things, actually have the stomach for watching their sons and friends get mowed down in the streets by the national guard.

After a few casualties, most of them would return to hunting, drinking malt liquor, and smoking weed.

And set up go fund me accounts to bury their dead.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

A full blown civil war is completely out of the question, but a civil uprising or insurgency is definitely a potential.

Depends on whether it's the left or the right uprising. The Left? Pretty unlikely as they're way too easy to starve out, too separated, and lack a common belief/motivation. The only moderately large places where they have sizable amounts of support are the West Coast, New York and the Tri-State Area, and the Black Belt, which are all pretty isolated, and bar the Black Belt, dependent on imports from producing regions to maintain their populations. I also doubt the citizens of the Black Belt would want to fight for a Communist/Socialist uprising, if that was the case. That, and a centre-left person just lacks the motivation overall to rise up, especially against a government like the US. If it was a monarchy or a theocracy, maybe, but not a moderately conservative democracy - A Communist and a Socialist might, but not a Liberal or a Progressive.

A Conservative uprising though? They'd probably do pretty well. Lots of them have access to firearms, their sizable support is in rural, producing regions that makes them much harder to starve out, and since the place is rural, it'd be incredibly difficult to fully destroy them without salting the earth, and no country wants to take such drastic measure and end up ruling a pile of worthless dirt with a pissed-off populace. If the success of insurgencies in Afghanistan is anything to go by, they'd be hard to weed out. And although they also lack a common belief/motivation, an ultranationalist and a conservative would be more likely to work together than a Communist and a progressive. Granted, a Conservative doesn't really have much of a motivation to rise up right now, but going after their guns would probably be enough to push them over the edge.

Granted, there's always the joke that the Government would just roll out tanks/jets/helicopters to destroy any insurgency, but you can't really do that against your own citizens, except in the rare case that they've formed a sizable ground army of their own, which is unlikely. Most of your citizens, regardless of their opinion of the insurgency, wouldn't be happy seeing the US army kill it's own citizens and level it's own settlements. And if you think that the US would even THINK about using nuclear weapons on it's own territory, you're absolutely exceptional.

So overall, a full blown civil war ain't happening any time soon, and it's still pretty unlikely that we'll see a civil insurgency either, but if we end up getting a right-wing insurgency, it has pretty good odds to succeed. A left-wing insurgency has much worse odds due to how easy their major support areas would be to starve out.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

In response to the OP being one of these:

Your baiting sucks the snotty end of a fed's sideways fuckstick.

 

[snailslime]

i don't think a "militia" of beer bellied hillbillies can win against the US army unless they have the power of God and anime on their side

 

[JosephStalin]

i don't think a "militia" of beer bellied hillbillies can win against the US army unless they have the power of God and anime on their side

They don't have to win. All they have to do is not lose, and that is quite doable. Been proven in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

i don't think a "militia" of beer bellied hillbillies can win against the US army unless they have the power of God and anime on their side

If the only people who are willing to take up arms against the government when it starts to use military force to trample the constitution and destroy the lives of American citizens are fat beer-bellied hillbillies, then that's a sad state of affairs for the rest of the American people.

 

[JosephStalin]

If the only people who are willing to take up arms against the government when it starts to use military force to trample the constitution and destroy the lives of American citizens are fat beer-bellied hillbillies, then that's a sad state of affairs for the rest of the American people.

Believe you'd see more than the aforementioned hillbillies. Also keep in mind that you don't always need a gun to have a weapon in war.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Believe you'd see more than the aforementioned hillbillies. Also keep in mind that you don't always need a gun to have a weapon in war.

It's funny how people who make statements like "haha only fat ugly cousin fuckers would do something if government started doing bad thing" are actually shitting all over themselves and everyone who isn't fat ugly cousinfucker.

Why are fat ugly cousinfuckers the bravest people in the USA in the mind of these people?