Discuss the feasibility of an armed rebellion in the continental United States

[snailslime]

It's funny how people who make statements like "haha only fat ugly cousin fuckers would do something if government started doing bad thing" are actually shitting all over themselves and everyone who isn't fat ugly cousinfucker.

Why are fat ugly cousinfuckers the bravest people in the USA in the mind of these people?

u mad?

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

u mad?

haha ebin troll

 

[Non-Expert!]

It's funny how people who make statements like "haha only fat ugly cousin fuckers would do something if government started doing bad thing" are actually shitting all over themselves and everyone who isn't fat ugly cousinfucker.

Why are fat ugly cousinfuckers the bravest people in the USA in the mind of these people?

Well, they are the ones who make the most noise about their guns.

It is also because of the NRA, and people like Cliven Bundy.

 

[Fast Max]

No way in hell is an armed rebellion happening in the US. Not even on a minor level. You'll have a lot of people larping about how taking out infrastructure, power grids, how blue states don't have farms and they people in blue states don't like to shoot guns and etc but that doesn't matter. The second you start to deprive a fat and happy person from his luxuries, that person will have no qualms letting the military/police stomp you like a grape to get them back.

Johnny Reb 2.0 can have a legitimate grievance and have an issue to rally with but if people don't have any skin in the game, they aren't going to risk losing that comfort. And if you try to take their comfort from them by blowing up generators or taking down cell antennas, you aren't the dashing brave freedom fighter, you are a terrorist.

 

[Julias_Seizure]

Assuming your typical rednecks would have the balls to fight the government and could actually fight strategically then theyd have a chance.

You look at hong kong and they dont have any guns but theyve got huge numbers, brilliant strategy and balls of steel and theyre putting up a pretty good fight against their much more powerful government.

Red necks only have numbers and guns and those numbers dont count for anything if everyone gives up the second they get shot back at.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

No, because the Right loves the government and the Left cashes in on NEETbux. Also, the average American has far more to loose than gain from rioting (so far).

But I know, the idea of an unmotivated violent rebellion for its own sake appeals to edgy teens, e.g. that's why Nu Star Wars is so retarded.

 

[Regu]

No way in hell is an armed rebellion happening in the US. Not even on a minor level. You'll have a lot of people larping about how taking out infrastructure, power grids, how blue states don't have farms and they people in blue states don't like to shoot guns and etc but that doesn't matter. The second you start to deprive a fat and happy person from his luxuries, that person will have no qualms letting the military/police stomp you like a grape to get them back.

Johnny Reb 2.0 can have a legitimate grievance and have an issue to rally with but if people don't have any skin in the game, they aren't going to risk losing that comfort. And if you try to take their comfort from them by blowing up generators or taking down cell antennas, you aren't the dashing brave freedom fighter, you are a terrorist.

The Military and Police aren't manned by Robots, but by men too.

 

[Non-Expert!]

A full blown civil war is completely out of the question, but a civil uprising or insurgency is definitely a potential.

Depends on whether it's the left or the right uprising. The Left? Pretty unlikely as they're way too easy to starve out, too separated, and lack a common belief/motivation. The only moderately large places where they have sizable amounts of support are the West Coast, New York and the Tri-State Area, and the Black Belt, which are all pretty isolated, and bar the Black Belt, dependent on imports from producing regions to maintain their populations. I also doubt the citizens of the Black Belt would want to fight for a Communist/Socialist uprising, if that was the case. That, and a centre-left person just lacks the motivation overall to rise up, especially against a government like the US. If it was a monarchy or a theocracy, maybe, but not a moderately conservative democracy - A Communist and a Socialist might, but not a Liberal or a Progressive.

A Conservative uprising though? They'd probably do pretty well. Lots of them have access to firearms, their sizable support is in rural, producing regions that makes them much harder to starve out, and since the place is rural, it'd be incredibly difficult to fully destroy them without salting the earth, and no country wants to take such drastic measure and end up ruling a pile of worthless dirt with a pissed-off populace. If the success of insurgencies in Afghanistan is anything to go by, they'd be hard to weed out. And although they also lack a common belief/motivation, an ultranationalist and a conservative would be more likely to work together than a Communist and a progressive. Granted, a Conservative doesn't really have much of a motivation to rise up right now, but going after their guns would probably be enough to push them over the edge.

Granted, there's always the joke that the Government would just roll out tanks/jets/helicopters to destroy any insurgency, but you can't really do that against your own citizens, except in the rare case that they've formed a sizable ground army of their own, which is unlikely. Most of your citizens, regardless of their opinion of the insurgency, wouldn't be happy seeing the US army kill it's own citizens and level it's own settlements. And if you think that the US would even THINK about using nuclear weapons on it's own territory, you're absolutely exceptional.

So overall, a full blown civil war ain't happening any time soon, and it's still pretty unlikely that we'll see a civil insurgency either, but if we end up getting a right-wing insurgency, it has pretty good odds to succeed. A left-wing insurgency has much worse odds due to how easy their major support areas would be to starve out.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on a few fronts:

For one, the countryside militia would have to have an actual goal in mind, and a plan, in order to muster up the will to fight the US govt. "Gas the Jews," "liberals suck," "kill the faggots," and "don't tread on me," are not end goals. Those are rants.

They also need overwhelming support, and a unified geographical zone. Hillbillies in Apalachia, Rednecks in Indiana and Arizona minutemen have no real way of connection, because the geographical boundaries are too vast, and present logistical barriers such as driving through urban areas and communities where they have no support whatsoever, and can be charged with federal crimes.

So let's parse down their goal. Montana and Idaho and Western Wahington want to be a white homeland, and become an independent state.

All the feds have to do is starve them. Cut off their electricity, close off their fuel supply, detour truck route, cut off mail delivery, etc.

Make that announcement and offer the means to evacuate, for those who need these services. They will be annoyed that they can't access their prepper websites, kids are getting restless, no blood need to be shed.

It is more the urbanized masses that I am concerned about. They have lingering anger about civil rights, social injustice, and the logistical means of doing a lot of damage to a lot of people and property, without leaving their community. And unlike the hillbillies, there are a lot of them, concentrated within narrow geographical zones.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No way in hell is an armed rebellion happening in the US.

Never say never. China has been exploiting our weaknesses for some time, if they thought fostering and arming an insurgency weakened our government they'd do it in a New York minute. It doesn't have to win, just waste our resources and keep everyone focused on domestic issues while they fuck around elsewhere.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Never say never. China has been exploiting our weaknesses for some time, if they thought fostering and arming an insurgency weakened our government they'd do it in a New York minute. It doesn't have to win, just waste our resources and keep everyone focused on domestic issues while they fuck around elsewhere.

Sure ... But to what end?

What you have on the urbanized left, is a fight for social justice: we still have problems with "ghettos," unequal distribution of resources, opportunities, violence, racism, etc.

Whether or not people bring problems on themselves is a whole other issue. It is social and economic frustration that leads to riots, and what follows is rampant looting.

The right is largely fighting on an ideological front. They perceive themselves as fighting for freedoms and rights that they see as manifestly American, and with that an erosion of a way of life that makes us who we are.

While the far right is more anti-governance and anti-regulation, the far left wants changes to the existing system.

I can't see the Chinese wedging into our ideological wars, just because they would have a hard sell, to either side. Neither group wants to be more like China. And the Chinese would have to have an intuitive grasp on what makes Americans, of all stripes, tick. Starting with American English vernacular, harder than you might think.

If the Chinese came in and fucked with us, all sides would be united against them. We might be dysfunctional morons with issues, but we like it that way. We have not been groomed to accept their brand of conformity and authoritarianism.

All the Chinese have to do, is deny us our dimestore junk, pieces and parts, textiles and cheap electronics, and that would be enough to cause a civil war. (Joke..)

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Sure ... But to what end?

What you have on the urbanized left, is a fight for social justice: we still have problems with "ghettos," unequal distribution of resources, opportunities, violence, racism, etc.

Whether or not people bring problems on themselves is a whole other issue. It is social and economic frustration that leads to riots, and what follows is rampant looting.

The right is largely fighting on an ideological front. They perceive themselves as fighting for freedoms and rights that they see as manifestly American, and with that an erosion of a way of life that makes us who we are.

While the far right is more anti-governance and anti-regulation, the far left wants changes to the existing system.

I can't see the Chinese wedging into our ideological wars, just because they would have a hard sell, to either side. Neither group wants to be more like China. And the Chinese would have to have an intuitive grasp on what makes Americans, of all stripes, tick. Starting with American English vernacular, harder than you might think.

If the Chinese came in and fucked with us, all sides would be united against them. We might be dysfunctional morons with issues, but we like it that way. We have not been groomed to accept their brand of conformity and authoritarianism.

All the Chinese have to do, is deny us our dimestore junk, pieces and parts, textiles and cheap electronics, and that would be enough to cause a civil war. (Joke..)

They can do so covertly. Just like we do. Just like the Soviets did and Russia does (nowhere near the scale of the USSR though). I didn't say China would casually walk up to disaffected Americans and say "Hello fellow revolutionaries, have some cheap AKs on me". When I said they could foster an insurgency because it would benefit them, I didn't say they'd announce it on the Beijing Nightly News.

I bet you think all those color revolutions are totally organic too.

 

[Non-Expert!]

They can do so covertly. Just like we do. Just like the Soviets did and Russia does (nowhere near the scale of the USSR though). I didn't say China would casually walk up to disaffected Americans and say "Hello fellow revolutionaries, have some cheap AKs on me". When I said they could foster an insurgency because it would benefit them, I didn't say they'd announce it on the Beijing Nightly News.

I bet you think all those color revolutions are totally organic too.

No absolutely not.

But one thing missing here, is a time-frame and context. I am thinking, in the coming decade, under current conditions. ...

You might be thinking "at some point in the future, in reaction to other conditions."

So we could be more like trains passing in the night, than two ungulates, locking horns.

But all that aside, my cats are also dog-exclusionary felineists, except for when they stare at dogs and trigger a barking fit.

 

[Whatsup bud?]

I think people in thia country are too content and rely too nuch on modern convenience to truly form an open rebellion. Too much to lose by doing so. That isnt to say that there arent many people who would, but it wouldnt go very far.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I think people in thia country are too content and rely too nuch on modern convenience to truly form an open rebellion. Too much to lose by doing so. That isnt to say that there arent many people who would, but it wouldnt go very far.

I think that globalization and the interwebz foster dependency on each other, and also are counterethical to the US vs. Them binary, that leads to wars and conflicts.

Basically people can spout as much hatred and vitriol as they want about religious and ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians, political parties, etc. But at the end of the day, everybody's hands are tied because we depend on each other economically.

The Chinese, for example, don't need to do much of anything, except tighten trade significantly, in order to weaken us.

As much as some isolated white countryfolk might like to operate independently from the constraints of heavy-handed government, they still depend on foreign trade and the federal government, to maintain their way of life.

 

[Dustlord]

Realistically, I don't see one happening in the forseeable future. These kinds of armed revolutions tend to happen when people begin feeling like they have nothing left to lose, and despite whatever political BS is going on right now, the average person still probably has quite a bit to lose by getting their guns and rebel flags out. If the situation in the USA were to severely deteriorate, I could see it happening - though the same could be said about any country.

 

[BenoBingoWenoWingo]

Honestly, even if the military has vastly superior arms to the common man we outnumber military personnel so greatly that as long as strength in numbers can be achieved the American government could easily collapse( not to mention the possibilities of homemade bombs/chem weapons) . However most people are fine with how modern day America treats them and really it's only the fringe groups that are calling for a government takeover / Boogalo, and as such it would take a considerably large amount of coordination in said fringe groups to cause enough chaos to make the common man want to take up arms against the hand that has fed them for so many years.

 

[Whatsup bud?]

Honestly, even if the military has vastly superior arms to the common man we outnumber military personnel so greatly that as long as strength in numbers can be achieved the American government could easily collapse( not to mention the possibilities of homemade bombs/chem weapons) . However most people are fine with how modern day America treats them and really it's only the fringe groups that are calling for a government takeover / Boogalo, and as such it would take a considerably large amount of coordination in said fringe groups to cause enough chaos to make the common man want to take up arms against the hand that has fed them for so many years.

And they wouldnt be able to use internet or cell phones to communicate without being monitored so zero organization between whatever groups arm up

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Possible exceptional take: since at least the 1920s there has been a low level armed rebellion / race war in the USA, and the police have been LOSING. Gangwars and racial-based violence is something the police have been POWERLESS to do anything about (or in some cases, have been outright complicit in), and just keep arming themselves and fucking over the rights of the people just so that they can make the next bust. If the police haven't been able to totally crush La Cosa Nostra, the US military wouldn't be able to crush the militias. The US military will never fucking use nukes; any military that might possibly use them and pushed to that point so far might be the Pakistani military in the North-West Frontier, and they haven't done it at all.

edit: let us not forget that the US military hasn't been able to actually win a war since WW2

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

They can live in the woods and shake their sticks while society goes on without them. It won't be hard to prove how racist most of those gun-toting hillbillies are, so they'll lose the court of public opinion real quick. The government will knock some sense into those militias real quick.

Nope. The cities will descend into chaos first, and the inevitable savagery of the Blacks will quickly erode a fair bit of the "all cultures are equally valid" BS held so dear by White liberals. I predict you'll find that the jury of the Court of Public Opinion will quickly change their tune, if not vocally, then surely by their actions.

Finally some fucking common sense in this thread.
May I also remind you that the US military has a $1tn yearly budget and a military-industrial complex that's clamoring for excuses to further increase it. Even if you fat rètards and rednecks somehow organise something resembeling a "resistance", they'd drone strike you into dust and flatten what's left of you with a convoy of tanks.

RE: tanks: The nature of the State is that they have to be seen tobe excersising their authoritay. So even if the rebels DID fight in the mountains, hills, etc, the Govt would have to be seen bringing the fight to them. Tanks are of VERY little use in the mountains (see; Bosnia, Afghanistan. ) Further, my experiences with US Army is that they are overly specifically trained (ie, an Abrams loader is ONLY trained as a loader, same with gunner, etc) and all the armoured elements, if deployed in tank-hating terrain, would have to function as infanteers, a task for which they are not trained or prepared.

 

[???]

My 2¢ on Civil War: it doesn't need to involve violence for the right to win. You can destroy infrastructure to damage multinational corporations and crash the economy until the left capitulates.

Cutting fiber optics cables is easy and requires only access to poorly secured maps any surveyor (or linesman, or cable installer) can access. Downing guy lines for power lines, cell towers, and radio towers requires only a battery operated power tool. You can modify any radio to spew noise across all spectrums with very little know-how. Bomb threats at airports, train stations, and schools can be pre-recorded and automated. In Vietnam, Green Berets would tape fireworks to pegboards and rig them with slow fuses to simulate the noise of firefights - this can be used to distract, delay, and deceive police and military. You can block tunnels and bridges with logging trucks and set them on fire. Forest fires can be set to torch farms and the like which primarily employ illegals.

You could take out a helicopter by having a Walmart drone tow a bit of steel cable into the rotors. You could knock out a power line with a $25 drone and copper cable. If you can somehow fly a drone carrying a chunk of tungsten carbide into the jet engine of an A10, you might damage it.

No firearms or explosives are needed, just basic tools, some planning, the ability to drive a diesel stick shift, and a few gallons of gas.

Do this in a few port cities or mountain choke points and global shipping prices double. What happens when the price of American wheat, corn, and soybeans doubles? Food costs more in China, Europe, and the middle east. This leads to cascading political instability around the world, which puts pressure on economic bubbles in the USA. If the housing, student loan, and tech bubbles burst it's global economic depression for a generation.

The point isn't to win, it's to ensure the other guy can't win either.