Plagued John Cameron Denton & Atomwaffen Division / Siegeculture - Satanic Vampire Neo-Nazis, autistic Strasserists, Helter Skelter cult

[mr.moon1488]

If I'm understanding you correctly, the autism defence is essentially being used to bolster the schizophrenia one? I wasn't aware that it was considered as a substantial aggravating factor in that way (vs. say, multiple severe mind-altering conditions such as bipolar in combination with schizophrenia) - more just to affect sentencing where there is room for discretion. What you say does makes sense however, as autism being used alone really isn't going to do anything for a murder case. (More edits - tiredposting.)

Yes and no. I can't see it helping him too much if his lawyer submits a not guilty by reasons of insanity defense later, but it could be used for competency to stand trial.

Competency to stand trial: "I have some condition which makes it impossible for me to receive a fair trial"
In these instances the defendant is taken into care in order to make them competent to stand trial, but only up to what their maximum sentence would have been.

Not guilty by reasons of insanity: "My condition either caused my actions, or prevented me from abstaining from my actions, or prevented me from understanding the results of my actions."
This is during the actual trial if the defendant is found competent to stand trial. The results of being found not guilty by reasons of insanity differ by state, and the burden of proof is on the defendant. For them to ever get out of psychiatric care, it has to be proven that they are no longer "manifestly dangerous."



This is what I was talking about by the schizophrenia mattering more in the not guilty by reasons of insanity in this case, and the ASD possibly mattering more in the competency side of this case.

 

[Hesa]

I know it's a standing joke on here but ASD has popped up as mitigating circumstances in several of the trials involving National Action.

 

[Oskar Dirlewanger]

I know I love this shit.
So far we've got...
(Official) Atomwaffen Division
Feuerkrieg Division
Sonnenkireg Division
Northern Order
(Fake) Atomwaffen Division
The Base
Rapewaffen Division
Sternekorne Division
And know possibly Vampir Division lol.

This is silly but not edgy enough for me. I decided just now to create my own Atomwaffen branch. DM me for more information of joining my group Analrapewaffen Panzerkriegdivision 88

Spoiler: WARNING - ANAL RAPE

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Woah, easy on the misgendering/deadnaming there, shitlord

 

[AnOminous]

TAMPA — Devon Arthurs, the one-time neo-Nazi accused in the murders of his two roommates at their New Tampa townhouse, has autism and schizophrenia among other conditions, several mental health experts testified Thursday.

Real shocker here.

It can be used for competency to stand trial, and is actually a pretty valid argument in a competency hearing since competency to stand trial does not cover whether, or not the condition allowed one to establish mens rea, rather has to do with their ability to actually receive a fair trial.

If there's any real question about that, they'll hold off on the trial and try to drug him up enough until he's sane enough to stand trial. This can take years. I'm not sure if the person ever actually becomes any more sane than he was or, if he's just faking it, he eventually gets tired of being in some loony bin probably just as bad or worse than wherever he'd serve his time and quits faking it.

Anyway, though, they eventually do take you to trial. A real not guilty by reason of insanity for a serious crime is really rare. Diminished capacity defenses are more often successful and you're likely to avoid a death penalty or get it knocked down to second degree or less.

Even if you do get a not guilty by reason of insanity you're just going to some snake pit instead of something named a prison.

Anyway, my prediction would be he maybe gets the case delayed, but if he doesn't, he should be able to establish some kind of mental illness. Probably not enough to get him off. But it may be a mitigating circumstance if he was too out of it to form the mens rea for first degree, or otherwise that he wasn't committing the crime for the reasons that get you capital, i.e. either death or life without parole.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Combat 18 affiliated gangs are responsible for murders and arsons in many countries. Atomwaffen are nothing but deranged exceptional individuals larping as murder junkies.

C18 ain't shit and have achieved and accomplish nothing of note in its entire near 30 year existence. I remember them coming over here trying to link up with the likes of the LVF and UDA, who looked down on them as useful idiots and never took them remotely seriously.

 

[AnOminous]

I know it's a standing joke on here but ASD has popped up as mitigating circumstances in several of the trials involving National Action.

Extremist ideologies completely out of touch with the political realities of their time are autistic as fuck.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Real shocker here.



If there's any real question about that, they'll hold off on the trial and try to drug him up enough until he's sane enough to stand trial. This can take years. I'm not sure if the person ever actually becomes any more sane than he was or, if he's just faking it, he eventually gets tired of being in some loony bin probably just as bad or worse than wherever he'd serve his time and quits faking it.

Anyway, though, they eventually do take you to trial. A real not guilty by reason of insanity for a serious crime is really rare. Diminished capacity defenses are more often successful and you're likely to avoid a death penalty or get it knocked down to second degree or less.

Even if you do get a not guilty by reason of insanity you're just going to some snake pit instead of something named a prison.

Anyway, my prediction would be he maybe gets the case delayed, but if he doesn't, he should be able to establish some kind of mental illness. Probably not enough to get him off. But it may be a mitigating circumstance if he was too out of it to form the mens rea for first degree, or otherwise that he wasn't committing the crime for the reasons that get you capital, i.e. either death or life without parole.

I'm not really sure tbh. If his ASD is the main concern, then there's not a lot they can do to make him competent to stand trial since there's not really an autism pill. I kinda think he might actually have a reasonable not guilty by reasons of insanity argument here because ASD comorbid with schizophrenia along with a plausibility of him being legally r/etarded really seems like he might not have been able to fully understand his actions.

Edit:
The auditory hallucinations are a big concern to me. Were I examining him, I'd be afraid that because of his ASD, he maybe having more hallucinations than just that, but can't properly articulate them. Either way, I'd say if he's found not guilty by reasons of insanity, he'll never pass Florida's "manifestly dangerous" threshold to get released, and likely will stay in the max security section of the asylum for the entirety of his time there.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm not really sure tbh. If his ASD is the main concern, then there's not a lot they can do to make him competent to stand trial since there's not really an autism pill. I kinda think he might actually have a reasonable not guilty by reasons of insanity argument here because ASD comorbid with schizophrenia along with a plausibility of him being legally r/etarded really seems like he might not have been able to fully understand his actions.

It seems like schizophrenia would be the major concern. It's something that can be treated. Assuming they're not just making it up.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

C18 ain't shit and have achieved and accomplish nothing of note in its entire near 30 year existence. I remember them coming over here trying to link up with the likes of the LVF and UDA, who looked down on them as useful idiots and never took them remotely seriously.

What have Atomwaffen achieved?

 

[mr.moon1488]

It seems like schizophrenia would be the major concern. It's something that can be treated. Assuming they're not just making it up.

Normally it is, but maybe not comorbid with ASD. Making it up is actually a lot harder than people think. The court brings in Forensic psychologists to examine them, and since people try to bullshit them all the time, their bs radar is pretty fine tuned.

Edit:
With the ASD, it really depends where on the spectrum he is. The concern I would have if I were examining him is that because he has ASD, you're only getting half the story with the symptoms of his schizophrenia. Meaning, he could have been under the delusion that he wasn't actually killing his victims. There was actually a case here in Florida a few years back where a guy with schizophrenia had killed his parents and cut them up because he thought they were robots, and were in need of repair. He called the police saying he needed help "reassembling" them.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

What have Atomwaffen achieved?

Nothing but more media attention and a greater ability for violence. AWDs baltic division has been actively engaged in bomb making and explosive attacks. AWD and its derivatives are 100% a more dangerous organisation than C18 has or ever will be.

 

[GranDuke]

So they bombed something in Baltics?

 

[ulsterscotsman]

So they bombed something in Baltics?

Yes there has been attempts and testing of explosives.

Jake Hanrahan on Twitter

“Recent footage of a neo-Nazi group in #Estonia setting off homemade explosives in the forest. The group, Feuerkrieg Division (FKD), is stylising itself as the Baltics cell of Atomwaffen Division, the militant US occult-Nazi group responsible for up to five murders. https://t.co/PD39OgcUqU”

twitter.com

 

[TaimuRadiu]

So members of Atomwaffen... are autistic?

 

[ICametoLurk]

Jake Hanrahan on Twitter

“@ArmoryBazaar @bellingcat New @PopularFrontCO bonus episode out now on Patreon: We speak to top lad @CalibreObscura about why he's certain the weapons used in a recent militant neo-Nazi propaganda video are airsoft and not real. This one gets very geeky. Don't miss it. > https://t.co/x99Pd1MDUk”

twitter.com

The mainstream media is so desperate with trying to prove there are Nazis they fucking went after autists WITH AIRSOFT GUNS.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Yes there has been attempts and testing of explosives

Wow some guys setting off firecrackers in the forest. How intimidating.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Wow some guys setting off firecrackers in the forest. How intimidating.

It may not look like much but there is intent and skill building there.

So members of Atomwaffen... are autistic?

Yes.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

It may not look like much but there is intent and skill building there.

My friends and I all did much the same thing at 15 and we were setting off stolen half-sticks of dynamite in the local quarry or building blackpowder pipe bombs to blow up tree stumps.

Until it actually results in something other than an AtomFaggen member blowing off their hand in their garage, they are literal larping teens in the woods.

 

[AnOminous]

Jake Hanrahan on Twitter

“@ArmoryBazaar @bellingcat New @PopularFrontCO bonus episode out now on Patreon: We speak to top lad @CalibreObscura about why he's certain the weapons used in a recent militant neo-Nazi propaganda video are airsoft and not real. This one gets very geeky. Don't miss it. > https://t.co/x99Pd1MDUk”

twitter.com

The mainstream media is so desperate with trying to prove there are Nazis they fucking went after autists WITH AIRSOFT GUNS.

We could have told them this wasn't some super dangerous paramilitary. Not that they'd have listened.