Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

ScatmansWorld said:
Mr Nostalgia review guy and his brother give their takes.
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Oh shit he's starting to be ashamed of that avatar tier bald spot, doug might be getting self awareness
Edit: love that mr.funny man's brother tries to say "cant wait for last jedi haters to defend this film" when thats exactly the opposite of what happened
 
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So I had a thought experiment. What is the best possible origin of Rey's power?
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Her seemingly alien facial expressions and her tard force strength explained in a single image of the grandmother
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I just watched it.

It was impressively bad, in too many ways for me to enumerate right now. I have a friend who's very into Star Wars, we watched it together, and he was laughing his ass off all the way home about how bad it was.

I was at one of those gimmicky dinner-and-a-movie theaters, and the pre-movie show included a bunch of drag queens reading out lines from the original Star Wars films. That was the least cringy part of the movie. I am not complimenting the drag queens.
 
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Saw it. (For free, thank God.) It was ten pounds of shit in a one-pound bag--not surprising. Almost everything Overlord DVD leaked is true.

This is going to sound really weird, but ... I was annoyed by the way women are portrayed in the film. I think the cast full of STRONG WOMEN were supposed to appeal, but none of them had any genuine nuance or struggle that made me care about what they went through. There were two separate strong badass POC women who showed up, condescended to Poe, and did pretty much nothing else.

And Rey? I would've liked Rey if she fucked up more. She has a couple of anger flares and loses her temper a few times, but if she was supposed to be at risk of falling to the Dark Side, we never saw it. She thinks she killed Chewie--but nah, he's fine, and that's all sorted out before she ever finds out she's the Emperor's granddaughter. She still doesn't struggle; she just acts like she is. And she can't do a damn thing without someone telling her she's awesome.

Are these supposed to be the enlightened strong women of The Force is Female?

TL;DR: Can't even pander correctly. Ya dun goofed.
 
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@RomanesEuntDomus I don't see how this trilogy had any chance overall. How, never mind why, would you ever want to try to continue such a good story that resolved almost all the conflict within it that ended decades ago (especially with a new set of characters within the old character's timelines who I am 100% convinced couldn't have been written in without either being pointless themselves or making the previous ones pointless)? If it was the Thrawn story stuff (not familiar with that), they might have had a chance, but in this case, no way. Not with the way they handled the new characters.
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As much as J.J's given shit here, I think the original framework laid down in TFA could have worked:

- Although vague, Snoke was an interesting villain that certainly had potential. Where did he come from? What history was between him and Luke? Why did Kylo turn? He very well could have been built into a character that carried the trilogy.

- Rey would have been better received if her and the whole crew (sans Solo) had been saved by Luke at the end of TFA, as she wouldn't have been powerful enough to defeat Kylo from the very first movie. Even so, she was still salvageable through humbling in the sequel via the original ending. That part could be considered an Empire retread, but fuck me I wouldn't loathe her as much as I do now.

- Finn with a more significant role could have helped this trilogy a great deal. Delving into the perspective of these new stormtroopers of the First Order, their abduction and mental conditioning; something to complement all the Jedi hubbub in-between. Maybe an overarching narrative in which they serve a more important role. Hell, if this new trilogy had fucked off with "The Force is Female", focused on "The Force is With Us" ("us" being a catch-all term for "everyone"), and kept holding Rey and Finn as dual protagonists throughout, this would have gone down a lot more smoothly regardless of sex or ethnicity. And that's without saying anything about Poe.

- Captain Phasma was still alive by the end of TFA and could have been built up much further in the sequel, dealing with her own defeat to Finn and being at the forefront of the First Order's offensive. Her presence really would have made more of a difference to Finn's story, and could have obviously overlapped into Rey and the others had she been given a chance to do well, anything.

- Likewise, Hux serving as a dual antagonist with Kylo would have helped. Turning him into a joke made the First Order into one by extension. I'm sure to nu-Wars fans, they still looked threatening, but to anyone else the menacing nature was gone.

- Rose didn't exist. 'Nuff said.

Rian (and to an extent KK) squashed any chance of IX being potentially good shy of discrediting VIII as a Force fever dream, but Disney would never do anything like that as they'd have to admit they fucked up. Make no mistake, if VIII hadn't been touched by Rian the trilogy probably still wouldn't be anywhere near as good as the OT, but it could at least have been satisfying. It could even have been rearranged and still involved the deaths of Luke and Leia somewhere, the potential was indeed there to wrap it all up. But TLJ fucked all that up and closed off every possible avenue that didn't require an immediate retcon and ensured that characters both old and new were utterly humiliated before dying or being written into a corner with no escape.

In short, J.J's worst contribution besides the retread was giving too much agency to Rey in TFA. Rian's worst contribution was running everything into the shitter while telling us how special he considers himself to be.
 
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That Chris Guy said:
As much as J.J's given shit here, I think the original framework laid down in TFA could have worked:

- Although vague, Snoke was an interesting villain that certainly had potential. Where did he come from? What history was between him and Luke? Why did Kylo turn? He very well could have been built into a character that carried the trilogy.

- Rey would have been better received if her and the whole crew (sans Solo) had been saved by Luke at the end of TFA, as she wouldn't have been powerful enough to defeat Kylo from the very first movie. Even so, she was still salvageable through humbling in the sequel via the original ending. That part could be considered an Empire retread, but fuck me I wouldn't loathe her as much as I do now.

- Finn with a more significant role could have helped this trilogy a great deal. Delving into the perspective of these new stormtroopers of the First Order, their abduction and mental conditioning; something to complement all the Jedi hubbub in-between. Maybe an overarching narrative in which they serve a more important role. Hell, if this new trilogy had fucked off with "The Force is Female", focused on "The Force is With Us" ("us" being a catch-all term for "everyone"), and kept holding Rey and Finn as dual protagonists throughout, this would have gone down a lot more smoothly regardless of sex or ethnicity. And that's without saying anything about Poe.

- Captain Phasma was still alive by the end of TFA and could have been built up much further in the sequel, dealing with her own defeat to Finn and being at the forefront of the First Order's offensive. Her presence really would have made more of a difference to Finn's story, and could have obviously overlapped into Rey and the others had she been given a chance to do well, anything.

- Likewise, Hux serving as a dual antagonist with Kylo would have helped. Turning him into a joke made the First Order into one by extension. I'm sure to nu-Wars fans, they still looked threatening, but to anyone else the menacing nature was gone.

- Rose didn't exist. 'Nuff said.

Rian (and to an extent KK) squashed any chance of IX being potentially good shy of discrediting VIII as a Force fever dream, but Disney would never do anything like that as they'd have to admit they fucked up. Make no mistake, if VIII hadn't been touched by Rian the trilogy probably still wouldn't be anywhere near as good as the OT, but it could at least have been satisfying. It could even have been rearranged and still involved the deaths of Luke and Leia somewhere, the potential was indeed there to wrap it all up. But TLJ fucked all that up and closed off every possible avenue that didn't require an immediate retcon and ensured that characters both old and new were utterly humiliated before dying or being written into a corner with no escape.

In short, J.J's worst contribution besides the retread was giving too much agency to Rey in TFA. Rian's worst contribution was running everything into the shitter while telling us how special he considers himself to be.
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I don't think Rian should take all the blame here given Disney and Kathleen Kennedy approved of everything he's done with no question, and no one bothered to correct him on anything. Mark my word, Episode IX would've been completely different if no one had any hate towards The Last Jedi.
 
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