Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I've caught up, you fucks.

Before some replies, can anybody tell me if the red / sith stormtroopers were in the movie? I don't remember seeing them although like i said i missed the first ~15min or so and could have missed them while making food or taking a dump. They were fairly heavily pushed in marketing early on... did they get Yeeted like Matt Smith?
Also all the while everyone forgetting that Palpatine is Anakin's dad now under Disney.
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"Hey there Ani! Did I ever tell you about the time I went down to Tatooine and knocked up this one hot slave chick? Bitch doesn't even remember it. Sith Mind Tricks are rad as fuck! Wait, that was your mom? Well this is awkward..."
Why does palpy have his monster mash face? He didn't get that until Anakin was 20 something years old
Is this a surprise to you after cpt marvel? You gotta pay a ticket to post a review, vast majority of votes there are from SJW faggots plus the shadow banning of bad reviews is real too.
I saw a blog post a while back talking about how RT didn't even take something like 1 or 1.5 and under stars into their algorithm for audience scores. Don't know if that was ever explained or followed up on though.
I legit nearly die of laughter whenever Daisy dies, because not only was it a hard and awkward cut from Finn doing a face reaction to her laying down, but I legit didn't know she was dead for like five seconds. She is so shit as an actress, I was more reminded of Chris' crashing into slumber than death, and began laughing when it happened.
That cuts AMAZING. She goes from easily defeating the emperor acting with the level of struggle she goes though to lift boulders, to dropping lightsabers, cut to Finn sad, cut to Rey eyes open on the ground "dead".
More like damage control. This was the conclusion of a 4 year Star-fucking-Wars trilogy with absolutely no meaningful competition on release week. It's pathetic.
It gets worse since the marketing was all about the conclusion of 4 decades and 9 films. This should be the biggest film of the franchise not the weakest of the ST.
I have no idea what jj wanted to do with Finn. Rey and Kylo are obvious, but Finn was built as a second jedi only to be completely curbstomped.
Finn also got jacked by Poe. Oscar Issac demanded more screentime and so they had to rework his storyline and as a consequence stole from Finn's screentime and plot. It's why Poe teleports out of his clothes in TFA and magically reappears at the rebel base, originally he was to die in the crash.
Anything big enough to strap a hyperdrive to is now a fleet wrecking, planet cracking WMD. So basically anything bigger than a fucking sofa. Shit, just strap that shit to a bunch of old junkers from any scrapyard and you've got enough firepower to slap around God Himself.
It also pisses me off due to how long this has been a known issue in Science fiction writing (No idea about real astronomy, but I'd guess it's a lot fucking longer). The earliest i know of is the moon is a harsh mistress' by Robert Heinlien in 1966, in which rebels on the moon gain independence by flinging small rocks at hyperspeeds via a railgun and fuck up the Earth with the resulting force. Most Sci-fi I've read ignores this sort of attack, because as discussed it completely fucks up everything with world building and consequences. It's almost like the writers were a bunch of unqualified hacks who hate the genre.
 
Well, David Hayter has proven he'll say literally anything for a few bucks, so I guess Disney found his Cameo account.
David: It just has to feel like Star Wars again.
Me: Oh so, a journey of heroism, family and overcoming against seemingly impossible odds?
David: No, Palpatine, Hans, and Lando and the Millenium Falcon and Star Destroyers and the Death Star.
Me: You know Star Wars is more then that ri-.
David: BUT FORCE LIGHTNING AND LIGHTSABERS REEEEEE!
 
Tonight, instead of watching Plan IX, I decided to watch the Holiday Special with some friends. Hey, I was in the Christmas Life Day spirit.


I was surprised to find...okay, I'm not gonna say it's good, because it's not really. But it was entertaining to shitpost about, I'll say that much.

I previously knew about it from watching the RLM Best of the Worst episodes, and I think knowing what to expect going into it certainly helped. Here are some general thoughts:
  • The scenes of nothing but Wookiees growling at each other with no subtitles were a little dull, but there's enough context to where you can still follow it. That's more than can be said of some moments in Disney Wars. It's also really only at the beginning; later scenes have actual human characters coming in to provide dialogue.
  • It's interesting how Wookiee interior design is so similar to 70's interior design. Mala even ordered more shag carpet!
  • The plot: paper-thin, but that's somewhat to be expected of an old-school variety show. Chewie wants to get back home for Life Day, but the Empire thinks there are rebels on Kashyyyk, so they set up a blockade. Meanwhile, the rest of the main cast shows up in video calls to be like "where's Han" or "Han's on his way" or whatever. Han slips past and gets Chewie home, then everybody has a nice Life Day celebration where Leia is obviously on cocaine sings an anthem. More coherent than Disney Wars, at least.
  • There was literally a Wilhelm scream when the stormtrooper fell through the railing to his certain death (really great for that Christmas spirit). That got a real good laugh out of me.
  • Quick rundown of the acts, in order: acrobatics show was okay, the cooking show was goofy and entertaining in a weird way, the VR song was alright (though it's hard to get the image of Itchy fapping in the middle of the living room out of your head), Jefferson Starship was fine if you like that kinda music, the cartoon was definitely the best segment, the transmitter instructional video was like seeing a Youtube Poop or a Tim and Eric sketch in the 70s, and the cantina scene was the second-best and a great reuse of all the costumes from the original movie. I personally think it should be canon that Bea Arthur owned the Mos Eisley cantina.
  • Carrie Fisher looks really coked out in places. Really adds to the humor.
  • Gotta give a little extra thought to the cartoon again, it was really great and felt the most like Star Wars. It had more of an involved storyline than the main special which is pretty funny. Nothing too complex, just a quick side story with a double cross at the end, but it's a fun watch. The animation's a little wobbly (especially with regards to Han's face which looks like it's melting off his skull) but it's certainly quite nice to look at, with vivid colors and pretty detailed backgrounds and animation. Apparently it was included as an easter egg on the Complete Saga Blu-ray set, the only part of the Holiday Special to get an official release.
Again, the Holiday Special isn't good. It drags in places, a decent amount of the comedy sketches fall flat because they're more weird than actually humorous, and the music won't be up to everyone's tastes. But y'know, it's got a certain charm to it. Before Star Wars became the gigantic media juggernaut we know today, it was still in an experimental phase, where someone thought that a holiday special was going to be the best thing to follow up the original movie with. And that's not a bad idea per se, but a lot of it was filled with strange scenes that only bear a tangential relationship to Star Wars.

And yet, it still feels like it in a way. I can believe that the world of Star Wars has a four-armed alien woman(?) doing a cooking show, or that Jefferson Starship exists there, or that you can buy VR sex simulators (hell, you can do that in our world). I have a much easier time believing that than Palpatine randomly surviving after exploding in the second Death Star, or Leia's Mary Poppins in space moment, or Rey becoming literal Space Jesus.

So yeah. Gonna go out on a limb here and say that the Holiday Special is unironically better than the Disney trilogy. If you disagree...well, that's your opinion. But at least it's shorter, right? If you're gonna pick one thing to suffer through, better to spend an hour and a half than over seven hours on Disney Wars.

Happy Life Day, everyone.
 
The scenes of nothing but Wookiees growling at each other with no subtitles were a little dull, but there's enough context to where you can still follow it. That's more than can be said of some moments in Disney Wars. It's also really only at the beginning; later scenes have actual human characters coming in to provide dialogue.

It's a terrible show, but I will go so far as to say that if you honestly can't follow the Wookies growling at one another scenes there's probably something wrong with you.

Adults are on edge because Chewie's late, snapping at little kid who doesn't really get it. It's not Arrival.
 
So now it has been several hours after watching that Camrip, and now the only image that's still stewing in my head were the dancing Ewok Vietcongs. Doing such a callback to Return of the Jedi pretty much leaves the message to me that there was no point whatsoever in this completed trilogy.

Palpatine has been defeated and the antagonist sacrificed himself so the hero can live. The Good Guys won and the people we lost are at peace & happy. That's ROTJ/ROS.

I guess I can thank JJ Abrams, because I unironically do have newfound respect for the Prequels. They definitely were not remakes of the original trilogy, they expanded the lore and told a tragic story of how fear can twist us into becoming monsters.

I can even give faint praise to Rian Johnson now, because while The Last Jedi is horribly shot & large portions of it are utterly aimless at least it had a new positive message that anyone can be the hero, it's not a matter of luck via genetic heritage. And then JJ took a steaming dump on that by declaring that Rey is the descendant of the most powerful Space Wizard.
 
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It also pisses me off due to how long this has been a known issue in Science fiction writing (No idea about real astronomy, but I'd guess it's a lot fucking longer). The earliest i know of is the moon is a harsh mistress' by Robert Heinlien in 1966, in which rebels on the moon gain independence by flinging small rocks at hyperspeeds via a railgun and fuck up the Earth with the resulting force. Most Sci-fi I've read ignores this sort of attack, because as discussed it completely fucks up everything with world building and consequences. It's almost like the writers were a bunch of unqualified hacks who hate the genre.
It depends on the story. A lot of sci-fi stories use the concept of bending spacetime rather than actually moving faster than light. If I recall correctly, hyperspace in Legends was something about moving into a higher dimension to travel.
 
Here is how the boring nagging woke-ists are going to spin it - Star Wars Episode IX was bad because they had to pander to the toxic fanbase, certainly no one else is at fault here.
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They keep saying this but so far almost everyone (including most people in this thread) who said they loved this movie also said that they were never really into Star Wars and don't even follow it, only liking this movie as a mindless action flick. So again, this movie wasn't even made with fans in mind, just the generic movie going audiences who like big action scenes and explosions, with the only piece that could even be considered fanservice being Ian's acting but even his grand talent is horribly wasted in this film and they can't even come up with interesting new dialogue for him that isn't just rehashes of shit he's said before (also Reylo shit, but shippers are not exactly the type of creatures I would call fans). This movie was made mostly with nu-fans and non-fans in mind yet they still want to blame fans for this movie blowing ass because it seemingly retcons TLJ even though it fucking doesn't. Luke is still dead, he died a fucking loser who lost everything, Holdo's stupid maneuver gets honored and named after her as a miraculous one in a million shit (and they expect me to believe she's the first idiot to ever try such a maneuver?), Porgs still exist even if only briefly, Rose Tico still exists but her romance was axed not because of fan backlash but because of chinese backlash (and even then the movie still bombed in China), Rey still steals everything Luke ever had, Snoke is still fucking dead and gets an awful one note explanation that says nothing about him and retcons everything that was previously stated about him in Disney canon media and Reylo still happens and is more forced and awkward than ever. I could go on, but TLJ is canon to this mess (and any shame it brought to Luke, Han and Leia was already carried over from TFA). It still fucking happens and Disney will never retcon this disaster purely because of their own ego. And of all the things these people could be bitching about, they choose to bitch about a non-existent retcon or because their Reylo ending wasn't as satisfying as they wanted it to be despite getting it, showing that pandering to shippers is fucking pointless.
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What pains me the most is that even if Disney course corrects and starts making good Star Wars movies, they won't bother to retcon that mess.
Pretty much this. One of the reasons why I could forgive even the worst decisions of the prequels is because in the end it doesn't change how things turn out in the OT. Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, 3PO and R2 still come out on top and get the hard-earned victory they deserve, and Kenobi is more of a badass than ever. People can keep saying the prequels raped their childhoods but at the end of the day it didn't change what made you love the OT characters and their glorious victory. Meanwhile the disney trilogy goes out of its way to undo everything the OT ever accomplished and taking a massive dump on its characters simply to raise its own status by repeating the exact same story. JJ, RJ and KK can honestly just fuck off.
 
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I was never one of the "Lucas raped my childhood" loons in regards to the prequels... but they were bad. Just about any scene with a human was flat and dull and filmed in front of green cardboard. The whole trilogy was just jump cuts between Lucas directing a dull soap opera and ILM CGI marketing reels. Giving credit where it's due, I thought Ep3 rose to mediocrity... but the first two prequels are just so lifeless and wooden... even some of the best parts of the PT, the lightsaber battles, were over choreographed nonsense a lot of the time. I've said it before and I'll say it again... Whatever creative fastball Lucas once possessed was long gone by the time he decided to undertake the prequels.

As far as Disney, I wouldn't be surprised one bit that this whole trilogy gets retconned at some point. Inevitably, Iger and Kennedy will be out.. new people come on board... people that like making money and give zero shits about the egos of those who came before them... And the whole thing starts all over again... Probably with just straight recasted reboots of the OT.
 
I can even give faint praise to Rian Johnson now, because while The Last Jedi is horribly shot & large portions of it are utterly aimless at least it had a new positive message that anyone can be the hero, it's not a matter of luck via genetic heritage. And then JJ took a steaming dump on that by declaring that Rey is the descendant of the most powerful Space Wizard.

I said earlier I thought this was better than the The Last Jedi, but thinking about it further, The Last Jedi felt like it was at least competently paced and clearly wasn't a Frankenstein's monster of a film with multiple bits and pieces attached to it. This movie on the other hand was a rush job and was completely reactionary to the reception of the previous film. Like they were going full on damage control the entire time. What resulted was something that was worse than what could have been.
 
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