Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
 
I agree with you there. They started the "caustic critic nitpicking" trend that made Lucas so sick of everything that he sold Star Wars. Some of their criticisms in the Plinkett reviews of the prequels are just petty, but then they turn around and say that people can't create a list of all the ways that Rey is a Mary Sue because that's just nitpicking. The fact of the matter is they're doing exactly what prequel defenders are doing. They like Daisy Ridley as an actress so they kind of lukewarmly defend the character, and say there was potential there. People do the same thing with Anakin; they like Hayden Christensen and the idea of Anakin that the prequels were trying to get across, so they defend terrible acting and odd character moments. But then why is RLM so harsh on Anakin? Shouldn't they give the same credit to Anakin that they give to Rey? Someone should tweet to RedLetterMedia that RotS has an 80% Rotten Tomatoes score and is objectively better than TRoS.


God, how do you go from dissing on Hayden Christensen for rooting for Daisy Ridley or even vice-versa.
 
According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
What the fuck but Starkiller base wasn't even a big hit for The First Order given they just conquered the galaxy less than 5 days later.
 
According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
"Until this gets retconned" Things like this are exactly why I say its going to be quietly, stealthily retconned out of existence. Every single thing connected to this seems tailor made to overwrite what came before. The inevitable decision to distance any future products from this abortion will be hindered with anything LESS than a full rewrite. And that need to distance will be the FIRST priority when it comes to future products.
 
"Until this gets retconned" Things like this are exactly why I say its going to be quietly, stealthily retconned out of existence. Every single thing connected to this seems tailor made to overwrite what came before. The inevitable decision to distance any future products from this abortion will be hindered with anything LESS than a full rewrite. And that need to distance will be the FIRST priority when it comes to future products.
Gosh I wish I had your optimism...

Then again, maybe there is a way to salvage this without it pissing off nu-fans or whoever actually wants this shit to remain unchanged. One scenario they could do is reveal that these assholes:
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... liked fucking with time a bit and it resulted in the creation of 2 or 3 different timelines.

1: One for pre-Disney
2: One for Disney garbage (which will eventually be brushed under the carpet)
3: And one more for the inevitable shitty remake of the OT where the PT and DT didn't happen

I hate alternate timeline bs but this is the only way I see everyone getting what they want.
 
Pretty much, yeah. I don't pretend to understand Kennedy's logic in regards to any questionable decision she makes. She's baffling enough as it is. Also I tend to think they may have put too much pressure on Carrie.
According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
This shit is horrific.

Makes me want to gather some like minded fans, some tiki torches, and march saying "JJ will not replace us!".

Maybe hit KK with a Charger after.
 
1: One for pre-Disney
2: One for Disney garbage (which will eventually be brushed under the carpet)
The only way that this would happened is if someone took Lucasfilm from Disney.

tl;dr The OT are fantastic films, III is the best of the PT but the PT were all bogged down by George Lucas' autism, and the ST had no plan and felt like a battle between two different directors that could not get along while Kathleen Kennedy was burning everything around her. The Side films were just okay.
The OT is timeless. The PT has great ideas but were bogged down by George's sloppy writing and dialogue, awkward moments, and cringey acting.

The ST, on the other hand, sucks because the producers and directors were trying to figure out what the theme and story should be, throughout the trilogy itself.

Basically they’re treating the entire trilogy as a script draft for the actual trilogy.

You can even see it yourself as the trilogy always expands into subplots that never got resolved and inserts random themes from a totally different genre.

It basically just leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouths, cause among all my friends, literally only 4 of us made it through the entire thing. And I actually also asked them for their thoughts on the trilogy:

Friend #1: What a waste of time.

Friend #2: I feel stupid for watching it.

Friend #3: It was such a poorly made, badly-acted, lazily written trilogy.

Majority of my friends didn’t even watch the ST in the first place after seeing Disney bought out Lucasfilm after John Carter flopped, but I did notice that another sizeable portion of them that did watch it fall into two general groups:

Quit after TFA: Because didn’t like the tone and direction of the trilogy they were going to go with.

Quit after TLJ: (Pretty self-explanatory by this point).
 
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They were clearly being self-deprecating there, as in they know full well that Mike suggested JJ as a director for Star Wars and he's jokingly trying to backtrack and say it's not his fault. Also, they had a gag in that very video where Rich jokingly says that Star Wars was always schlock. They included the laughably bad Biggs deleted scene as evidence. My only problem is they parrot the "Marcia saved the movie, George is a hack" line of thinking, but overall I don't see how you can fault them for still finding the prequels bad. If we're talking about pure objectivity, no, another bad trilogy doesn't make a bad trilogy good.
Yeah, Mike's insistence that Lucas is a hack, with no talent who stumbled his way to success: it's not only grotesquely mean-spirited, it's wrong to the core.

It's makes him sound like a fucking idiot who doesn't know the production of the original films or even Indiana Jones.

Lucas didn't "luck out". Yes, those films also had many people contributing to it's vision. Yes, it was shitty and thoughtless George seem to forget this when fucking with the OT films.

Yes, he is an awful screenwriter.

But, the man was a monumental talent. He had talent for visual fimmaking that very few possess. Despite being a bad screenwriter, he was one hell of a storyteller. Not only with one property, but two. .

Not a single person, not even Marsha Lucas, would argue that George was the creator of Star Wars. Everything in the production line had George's stamp and influence.

Even being a bad screenwriter, he wrote some of the best material in the Empire Strikes Back(by extension the entire property). The Luke/Yoda stuff is ALL Lucas. In fact, most of the script is George's, with Han/Leia stuff being Kasdan's...

The fucking insane part of all of it? He took ZERO credit for it. He gave it away to Leigh Brackett out of respect. I've read her script, none of her ideas were used. That doesn't sound like an egotist to me, but what do I know?

I could go on and on, but I'm not...

George's issue was he stopped making films and became a technocrat for the film industry. Running Star Wars/ILM(which is what kept Lucasfilm going)prevented him from being a filmmaker. I'm actually kinda bitter to Star Wars about that...

Francis Ford Coppola even said he was the most talented person he ever knew. Not only talented, but more importantly, one of the best human beings as well..

I'm not one to put people on pedestals, and George certainly has his flaws. You wanna shit on the prequels or criticize, that's fine..

But, maybe the guy who made "Space Cop", should tone it down with the "lucky never talented hack shit"...

It's so ignorant, it's baffling. Not even your most pretentious french cinema auteur would say such a thing...
 
. I've started watching The Witcher and it's not bad. I've never played the games because my potato laptop can't handle it and I'm too fucking cheap to go out and buy a new console. And I've never read the books, so I really have nothing to compare it to. But so far the show has been pretty okay.
And if you've never seen star wars before you would love this film
 
Gosh I wish I had your optimism...

Then again, maybe there is a way to salvage this without it pissing off nu-fans or whoever actually wants this shit to remain unchanged. One scenario they could do is reveal that these assholes:
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... liked fucking with time a bit and it resulted in the creation of 2 or 3 different timelines.

1: One for pre-Disney
2: One for Disney garbage (which will eventually be brushed under the carpet)
3: And one more for the inevitable shitty remake of the OT where the PT and DT didn't happen

I hate alternate timeline bs but this is the only way I see everyone getting what they want.
Something to keep in mind, while Iger has his leanings he is in it for the money above all else. The MOUSE is in it for the money above all else. The absolute trainwreck here is the fault of the ideologue that is Kathleen Kennedy. While I see on this very forum a lot of people claim that Iger had a hand in it... he didn't. What people seem to forget, or conveniently ignore, is that Disney is -huge-. Dozens of studios, hundreds of IP, thousands upon thousands of employees.

No one man could possibly run all that alone. and Iger does not.

Instead, each studio is semi-autonomous. Iger reviews reports on their financials, is kept abreast by a a small army of advisers. In many ways, he is a King, who doesn't rule the individual towns or cities under his reign and instead he entrusts them to lords. Lords like Kathleen Kennedy.

"Oh, but obviously he would keep a close eye on Star Wars, its worth so much!"

No, not really. In fact, not at all. Fiege has said he has near complete autonomy, and Marvel is worth a -lot- more than Star Wars. What is more, the orders from Iger, according to his book, were to play it as safe as possible.Finally, his adviser, in the form of the 'lord' Kennedy would be able to say whatever she wanted... so long as the financials and other advisers did not disagree.

The Last Jedi changed this. A massive split in the fanbase, terrible reviews, and above all else making less money than The Force Awakens. Every single red alert blares and NOW Iger takes notice. he cannot rule his kingdom in minutia, but he can take note of and act on a crisis. Kennedy is sidelined, we know this for a fact by now, he takes more personal command. The damage is done though, and he can't simply not release an Episode IX, that would spook investors fiercely and would have political ramifications that the shaky IP cannot stand at this time. Money, above all else. So, he does the 'sensible' thing, he allows one more movie under the Lord Kennedy, but he makes sure to place his personal attention on all of it. As we find out, he directly interferes with the movie. Its a mess. Abrams cannot finish a movie by his own admission, even if he could The Last Jedi left absolutely nothing to work off of, additionally (And this is speculation but not unfounded) I'd suggest Kennedy was making sure to use any influence she had to force through her own vision. Iger is in it for the money, she is in it for the ideology.

Now, if you have followed this sordid explanation so far. What are we left with? We know how the company works, we know that Kennedy has failed as a Lord, and we know the movie has disastrously failed. And the Mouse is in it for Money above all else.

Where is the money? Where will the series go from here? The money is in those old fans, as Kennedy unwittingly proved even a focus on the female did not bring them in. The audience was not grown, it shrank and shrank to the point of horror for Disney. Disney -does not- care about the nu-fans, it does not care about the OLD fans either. It cares about money, and will go where it is. KENNEDY cared about the nu-fans, it was she with the ideology of something other than greed. With her gone, the only thing that remains is "What will make us money"?

So, needing to pivot towards the old fans, a retcon IS inevitable. It will be, as I discussed before, a stealthy and quiet thing. If they never acknowledge it as a retcon per se, they limit backlash to themselves and allow themselves to tap into the gold vein of the old fans. They have their cake and eat it too. Because money is what matters above all else.

Edit and Addition: I find it ironic people call me optimistic for this. Its not optimism, its cold hard and frankly depressing realism. Its showing that I am in fact a Jew and just considering it purely from a perspective of greed and considering what I'd due, mixed with a fair bit of knowledge about business and economics, to determine what is the most likely course. My predictions, i'd argue, are highly likely to be true... though admittedly those predictions are based on the idea that Disney will act on its manifestly proven greed, and not some ideological underpinning. But as Iger's book demonstrates, he isn't an ideologue. he's just, like me, a Jew.
 
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The three biggest problems with the sequel trilogy IMO were the humiliation and killing of Luke, the killing of Snoke, and the generally bad introduction and use of new characters vs. old. Rey being a Mary Sue was indeed a problem, but I think these elements were generally more important overall.

Making Luke a raging hobo and unceremoniously killing him off was the nexus for all of this as far as I'm concerned. It was such a gross mishandling of his character, and said mishandling resulted in other weaker parts of the story (he was a coward who tried to kill Kylo, Rey was better than him anyway, tit-sucking space cows, everyone wanted to find him but could give two shits when he was there, etc.) . If Luke had been alive to stop Sheev, maybe Anakin's sacrifice would feel less negated by this point. Had he rescued them at the end of TFA and been shown training Rey with some enthusiasm, showing his powerlevel and not dying in VIII, he could have died or become the hermit once all was said and done and it would have been infinitely more satisfying, having properly passed his legacy on without betraying himself. The origins for Kylo turning could have been less emo, and even if Luke still has the ending of TFA, he could have been there quietly preparing to face the threat or something more than what we got. Instead we got nothing, Luke did nothing and just died accomplishing nothing.

Snoke dying early was easily the next worse thing to happen, and is why we got Sheev as a quick replacement. It felt like all the stuff related to Finn and The First Order was thrown away at that point never to really be talked about again. Snoke by the end of TFA was a decent setup that could have paid off. Luke could have been responsible for his decrepit look during some battle of the many years we had as a gap, and what started off as a minor planetary skirmish had ripples that ballooned into a galaxy-threatening conflict. He could have been the one with ancient Sith texts or documents, or perhaps created The First Order out of Empire remnants following a campaign of bloody leadership struggles. Hell, the part where we find out Snoke answered to Sheev could have been the gateway for the next trilogy following this one.

Lastly, all characters are so insufferably inorganic and poorly explored that they fail to put a band-aid on Rey's story arc. Finn's stormtrooper storyline goes nowhere, he goes altruistic twice and gets pulled out of both for a reset, so all we get is he was Lando's son because he's also black. If done correctly, the stormtrooper project could have held an equal amount of importance as the Force/Jedi arc, showing how Snoke affected planetary populations in all systems to erode their power and supplement his own. Finn himself could have had equal importance as Rey in the same way people cared as much for Han as they did Luke in the OT.

Hux was turned into a joke and Poe was turned into the catalyst for his humiliation. Both characters were fine before then, but it was disgusting how it turned out. Hux could have been an apt counter-balance to Kylo and a power struggle where Hux has the loyalty of his followers and Kylo has the intimidation factor.

Lando came on and did fuck-all, Chewie did fuck-all after Han died and was given a medal. Both could have had outstanding interactions with the rest of the old guard as well as each other, and instead we got nothing. It may have been better to bring greater focus to both for VIII following the death of Han, and how they share their thoughts with Luke and Leia over it. The new cast should have had a minimal impact on this part, with only Rey and Finn having a couple of quick words over how horrible it was that Ben killed him.

Holdo could have been a good character, but the whole fuel storyline, the no-plan objective and the hyperspace ramming saw to her being one of the nost controversia new characters of the sequel trilogy. Had she not been a total bitch that giggles with Leia whilst not providing any secure leadership beyond false prophecy, and sacrificed herself in a non-lightspeed ram amidst the chaos of battle, she would have been liked and respected (she could have even lives for IX).

There's plenty more that could be said about this, but the takeaway is that handing it over to Rian to do whatever he wanted whilst not providing oversight or direction for the future is what was this trilogy's undoing. Had they provided even a remote application of competence we wouldn't have the trainwreck we have now.
 
Gosh I wish I had your optimism...

Then again, maybe there is a way to salvage this without it pissing off nu-fans or whoever actually wants this shit to remain unchanged. One scenario they could do is reveal that these assholes:
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... liked fucking with time a bit and it resulted in the creation of 2 or 3 different timelines.

1: One for pre-Disney
2: One for Disney garbage (which will eventually be brushed under the carpet)
3: And one more for the inevitable shitty remake of the OT where the PT and DT didn't happen

I hate alternate timeline bs but this is the only way I see everyone getting what they want.


who are these characters?
 
who are these characters?


Judging by their awful picture, I almost don't want to find out...
Yeah, Mike's insistence that Lucas is a hack, with no talent who stumbled his way to success: it's not only grotesquely mean-spirited, it's wrong to the core.

It's makes him sound like a fucking idiot who doesn't know the production of the original films or even Indiana Jones.

Lucas didn't "luck out". Yes, those films also had many people contributing to it's vision. Yes, it was shitty and thoughtless George seem to forget this when fucking with the OT films.

Yes, he is an awful screenwriter.

But, the man was a monumental talent. He had talent for visual fimmaking that very few possess. Despite being a bad screenwriter, he was one hell of a storyteller. Not only with one property, but two. .

Not a single person, not even Marsha Lucas, would argue that George was the creator of Star Wars. Everything in the production line had George's stamp and influence.

Even being a bad screenwriter, he wrote some of the best material in the Empire Strikes Back(by extension the entire property). The Luke/Yoda stuff is ALL Lucas. In fact, most of the script is George's, with Han/Leia stuff being Kasdan's...

The fucking insane part of all of it? He took ZERO credit for it. He gave it away to Leigh Brackett out of respect. I've read her script, none of her ideas were used. That doesn't sound like an egotist to me, but what do I know?

I could go on and on, but I'm not...

George's issue was he stopped making films and became a technocrat for the film industry. Running Star Wars/ILM(which is what kept Lucasfilm going)prevented him from being a filmmaker. I'm actually kinda bitter to Star Wars about that...

Francis Ford Coppola even said he was the most talented person he ever knew. Not only talented, but more importantly, one of the best human beings as well..

I'm not one to put people on pedestals, and George certainly has his flaws. You wanna shit on the prequels or criticize, that's fine..

But, maybe the guy who made "Space Cop", should tone it down with the "lucky never talented hack shit"...

It's so ignorant, it's baffling. Not even your most pretentious french cinema auteur would say such a thing...

I really like RLM overall, but I find parts in which I strongly disagree with the reasoning behind some of their decisions and see it as hypocritical or short-sighted, as you do with any movie critic. Mike's opinion of George is one of them.
 
They were clearly being self-deprecating there, as in they know full well that Mike suggested JJ as a director for Star Wars and he's jokingly trying to backtrack and say it's not his fault. Also, they had a gag in that very video where Rich jokingly says that Star Wars was always schlock. They included the laughably bad Biggs deleted scene as evidence. My only problem is they parrot the "Marcia saved the movie, George is a hack" line of thinking, but overall I don't see how you can fault them for still finding the prequels bad. If we're talking about pure objectivity, no, another bad trilogy doesn't make a bad trilogy good.

And whenever someone talks shit about white people they're joking too right?

Fuck you! You're the cancer that is allowing civilization to die. Or more accurately you're the helper t cells that allow aids to mislead them and destroy the body.

That's my main hate towards RLM, Mr.Metokur, dick Masterson, Dan Harmon and others like them. Especially Jon Stewart

This bullshit immunity where the internet collectively allows it so they are never wrong and when they are they were being exceptional on purpose.

Somehow Jesus Christ and Abe Lincoln arent allowed this immunity but some aggot that made you laugh does

We allow the director of space cop to dictate our opinions and then let him backtrack with "just kidding" meanwhile George Lucas spends almost 2 decades begging pretty much everyone he knows to help direct or write the prequels and then allows a "warts and all" BTS even after knowing it would make him look like an asshole. And he still gets vilified for it.

If we learn nothing else from this decade, it should be that giving someone immunity from criticism just because they made us laugh is a fast track to the end of society and the stuff we love about it.
 
According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system.

I mean that makes sense. Using the Battle of Yavin as some sort of start point in canon is a little weird. I mean one battle determines the start of a calendar? That always felt off to me and it felt like more of a guide for the EU writers than something that was officially canon. So yeah, what would Disney be using instead: The Start of the Old Republic, The Fall of the Republic and Start of the Empire, the Fall of the Empire...

Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

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Fucking thank you. I was trying to write something similar, but you just hit the nail on the head.

Another thing I'm seeing recently is people trying to shift blame away from Disney and blame everything on George for selling SW in the first place when really the main reason he sold this shit was because of petty nitpicking after almost 10 years of this shit. The prequels are weak, there's no arguing there, but their flaws don't justify Disney's garbage, and after 20 years how much longer can they keep dissecting that shit and drawing hate art of Lucas (at least Disney's shit the last movie came out a few days ago)? Just because the prequels were mediocre doesn't mean Disney's shit is in any way redeemable, its even less so. As I've said many times, the prequels even at their worst didn't retcon Luke and the gang's achievements or the overall plot of the OT, and any wrongdoing they did was pretty much ignored, rewritten, improved or slightly overlooked by eu writers, the fandom and mass media at the time, unlike with Disney shit which actively tries to fuck up as much of the OT and its characters as possible (along with anything that came before Disney) and all its mistakes are instead glorified by the nu-eu writers, the nu-fandom and the mainstream media who celebrate this mess and the degradation of cultural icons like Luke Skywalker and the devaluation of a story that was once considered a timeless classic of space/fantasy adventure. Hell try to criticize the prequel trilogy back then, people would just shrug, nod or disagree. Dislike Disney shit and you're pretty much on the nazi list.

And despite our disagreements over the Vong, I think we can both agree that it was still a better outcome for the characters and their successors than what Disney gave them.
Yeah, at worst the NJO is our favorite Star Wars heroes fighting a shitty faction in a shitty war with shitty OCs. At least the writers took the time to write the OT characters faithfully and respectfully.
 
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I agree with you there. They started the "caustic critic nitpicking" trend that made Lucas so sick of everything that he sold Star Wars. Some of their criticisms in the Plinkett reviews of the prequels are just petty, but then they turn around and say that people can't create a list of all the ways that Rey is a Mary Sue because that's just nitpicking. The fact of the matter is they're doing exactly what prequel defenders are doing. They like Daisy Ridley as an actress so they kind of lukewarmly defend the character, and say there was potential there. People do the same thing with Anakin; they like Hayden Christensen and the idea of Anakin that the prequels were trying to get across, so they defend terrible acting and odd character moments. But then why is RLM so harsh on Anakin? Shouldn't they give the same credit to Anakin that they give to Rey? Someone should tweet to RedLetterMedia that RotS has an 80% Rotten Tomatoes score and is objectively better than TRoS.

Honestly what always struck out at me about the Prequel trilogy was how my dad viewed it: Yeah, a lot if it's got shitty writing, but it's responsible for so much good on the greater whole that the fuck-ups aren't big deals. You can't say "Oh, this ruined Star Wars" about any of the Prequels, no matter how shit any scene in them was because they happened ages ago in the setting, were mostly backed up by some pretty solid established canon, and ultimately led to the main trilogy. It was thanks to Dad that I learned to enjoy a lot about the Prequels for all their numerous flaws, and while I won't say they're great movies by any stretch, I will say I came around on them, and when paired with some of the EU canon around them, I even found a great deal of fondness for them.

And I think that's the biggest issue right there.

When the Prequels fucked up, there was an underlying desire to do well by the franchise with them. Even when parts of the movies were bad, they weren't bad in a way that was genuinely mean-spirited or offensive, most of the time it was a well-intended idea falling short of the mark. Even if you hate fundamental issues like the pacing of Episode 1 or the dialogue of Episode 2, you have, at the end of the day, a movie that still genuinely feels like it belongs and isn't going out of its way to make you feel worse for giving a shit about it.

For all the ST movies, there is a consistent, pervasive aura of contempt for the veteran fanbase throughout. While TFA is nowhere near as bad about it, TLJ and TROS are utterly shameless about it. There's a reason they went out of their way to fuck over everything remotely resembling a plot thread in Episode VIII, and that's because they legitimately hated the fandom, as evidenced by their own sperg-fits on Twitter.

Idly, for those interested, my own beliefs on the ratings of the movies from best to worst:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
Shouldn't need to explain this, but since we have a lot of newcomers, I will: It's the best movie overall due to the character elements. Ironically enough it's one of the lightest of the original movies in regards to action, with not a hell of a lot actually happening from an action perspective, but tons happening in terms of world-building and character development. Anyone who believes the original trilogy is for children, as opposed to being for basically everyone needs to go back and watch this movie. You'll be thankful you did. This is the emotional core of Star Wars - not the big explosions or shiny things, but the legitimate character drama and interplay. There's a reason that the Radio Drama series of Star Wars is seen as an unsung classic and this movie basically embodies why that is.

2. Return of the Jedi
I'm gonna catch so much flak on this one but it's my list so fuck off. If Empire is the build-up of the OT, Jedi is its payoff. Everything just clicks, and for every problem Jedi has, it has three times as many good things. Seeing every character you've come to know and love get major moments and interplay together is fantastic, and some of the best moments in the entire series are here. Every character in it has time to shine even though Luke's the main focus. It's enough to outstrip many of the movie's dumbest moments, and that's kind of great.

3. Star Wars
Warning: Dangerous amounts of the 1970s. This movie is an instant classic and absolutely worth watching, with solid writing and some fantastic visual storytelling throughout. The reason I don't rate it any higher than this is because its design tends to show its age, and while that's charming, a lot of it channels that old-fashioned B-movie serial vibe and it really shows (that scene where Solo chases the stormtroopers comes to mind). There's some minor bits that get left out that were in the Radio Drama (Luke's background, why Luke was allowed to sortie against the Death Star, etc) that I think could be implemented fine with some minor lines without losing anything, but overall what you have is solid and sets up a great foundation to build on.

4. Revenge of the Sith
I quibbled over whether this or the movie that follows belonged in this slot, and after I weighed which I would rather watch right now based purely on its own merits, Sith won handily. It's the least overall bad Prequel movie and while it has its moments of flaming idiocy, the visual spectacle and the weight of what's going on in real time really drives home the quality of this film. While I don't think that it can really hold a candle to the OT, it definitely is the most solid overall of the PT movies and I would argue has the most untapped potential in the end.

5. Attack of the Clones
This movie is pretty bad by Star Wars standards but I can absolutely appreciate what they were trying to do before they fucked this whole thing up. The intention was very clearly intended to make Anakin seem like a hotshot Jedi maverick, well-meaning and well-intentioned, but hotheaded and reckless. That's not how he comes across, and it has everything to do with the terrible dialogue. A little bit of tweaking and some better pacing and what you'd have here would be a movie arguably taking up the #4 slot but ultimately falls short due to its own failures. It's a shame too, because the worldbuilding is solid and if all the ingredients had more time to cook this could have been something so much bigger.

6. Rogue One
I realize that the title of "least awful Disney Wars movie" is damning with fine praise, but unlike many I'm not going to give this movie and its shameless attempt to rip off Dark Forces any credit for managing to wear the bra of a considerably better-endowed game. Rogue One panders hard, and for every bit of good it has it stumbles someplace else. It has enough going for it to be a decent action flick, at least, and if that's all you want in your Star Wars, it works really well for that, but it could be infinitely better with some shockingly small scene and dialogue changes and if it tried to be its own thing more.

7. The Force Awakens
I don't hate this. It's bad, and a lot of the problems it has are visible from the first few scenes, but there's enormous potential here even if it's never fully lived up to. This is the only movie in which Rey is tolerable and not say, the female equivalent of a Neil Breen character, as well as the very last time Poe or Finn have any dignity whatsoever, so enjoy it while it lasts. As a standalone movie, it's perfectly serviceable, if kind of bittering since we all know where it's leading now. Enjoy it for what it is and it's not awful. Pair it with its follow-up movies and RENDER THIS EXISTENCE FALLIBLE.

8. Episode One
Hoo boy. I actually like what Episode One tries to do, but its execution is so fundamentally broken that it can't help but stagger through the motions. It's a movie with some great moments in the series piggybacking some of the fucking worst, and a lot of that boils down to a net negative. For every Darth Maul fight, there's Anakin blowing up a Trade Federation vessel by accident. For every decent piece of worldbuilding, there's Midichlorians. For every bit of tension there's Jar Jar acting like an idiot. The tragedy is that all of Episode One's numerous missteps are hardly anything destructive singly, and many of them would prove redeemable later, but taken by its lonesome, Episode One is the one movie on this list from the Prequel Trilogy that I'm in no hurry to watch again.

9. Solo: A Star Wars Story
A fucking botch. An absolutely pointless waste of time and effort that tells a story that didn't need to be told and was already covered in the Radio Drama series. Would be much more entertaining save for its decision to spray Identity Politics everywhere with shit like Feminist Droid and Pansexual Lando done for no other reason than to give the creators one more chance to soapbox like the tasteless dipshits they are. To show how much they stand by their convictions, they then remove these for the Chinese release, showing it to be further hollow virtual signaling.

10, The Last Jedi
Fucking atrocious and deserving of nothing but scorn. The Last Jedi solely exists to be a two and a half hour middle-finger to anyone who legitimately cared about the series or its canon and is a massive give-away to entitled faggots who want to see those fans suffer. One of the most cynical, nihilistic, mean-spirited movies I've ever had the displeasure of watching, the entire thing comes across as giving the entire fandom an anal fisting for daring to point out that TFA could have been so much better than it turned out to be. Only one OT character escapes this cinematic vandalism and the bulk of the OT is relegated to a less relevant position than the fucking Porgs that exist to sell toys. Fuck this movie, and everything it stands for.

11. The Rise of Skywalker
You know what Episode VIII didn't have? Rey flat-out assuming godhood over a broken universe which was destroyed solely so she could be the most important thing in it. I've heard people say that this isn't as bad as the Last Jedi; I disagree, as the more you care about the franchise, the more this movie hurts. From violating long-established rules of astrophysics (Star Destroyers are way too big to go into an atmosphere) to relying on "rule of cool" to hand-wave various issues, inventing new force powers out of nowhere and even giving zero reason for why Palpy is even still alive, this fucking movie just gives up about 20 seconds in and hopes you'll be sufficiently distracted by the beautiful set-pieces and action to not notice that the entire movie is held together with rubber bands and duct tape and has nothing of its own merit to stand on. The ending the ST deserves, and may a flock of Porgs sing it to its fiery demise.
 
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