Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.
Consider that the people who establish a new calendar are usually the then-dominant power, and that the calendar itself usually serves as a testament to that power's authority. All events are measured according to how long before or how long after they happen relative to a specific moment in time. A moment in time they place great importance on.

Do the rebels choose the moment of a glorious, victorious battle? No. The signing of a historic treaty? No. These rebels pick the time they got absolutely raped by their enemy. That is their defining moment.
 
You could recover the whole thing in less than 30 seconds of film time.

After the credits, show Rey sitting in the shadow of some Star Destroyer wreckage, her eyes closed. She jerks slightly, opens her eyes, looks around at the barren fucking desert she deserves, sighs, and goes "What a nice dream..."

Then JJ Abrams jumps out of the screen and jerks off all over the audience.
 
OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.
 
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OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.

Are you asking if she's a Mary Sue by accident because the writing sucks ass or on purpose...because the writing still sucks ass? Now I'm confused. Does it even really matter at this point?
 
OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.
That's what a Mary Sue is. Whenever a problem arises, a power is invented for them to overcome it with ease.
 
And whenever someone talks shit about white people they're joking too right?

Fuck you! You're the cancer that is allowing civilization to die. Or more accurately you're the helper t cells that allow aids to mislead them and destroy the body.

That's my main hate towards RLM, Mr.Metokur, dick Masterson, Dan Harmon and others like them. Especially Jon Stewart

This bullshit immunity where the internet collectively allows it so they are never wrong and when they are they were being exceptional on purpose.

Somehow Jesus Christ and Abe Lincoln arent allowed this immunity but some aggot that made you laugh does

We allow the director of space cop to dictate our opinions and then let him backtrack with "just kidding" meanwhile George Lucas spends almost 2 decades begging pretty much everyone he knows to help direct or write the prequels and then allows a "warts and all" BTS even after knowing it would make him look like an asshole. And he still gets vilified for it.

If we learn nothing else from this decade, it should be that giving someone immunity from criticism just because they made us laugh is a fast track to the end of society and the stuff we love about it.
What the fuck, you act like listening to some dumb movie reviewers on the Internet will determine the future of our society.

Chill the fuck out, they are just funnymen who have some dumb opinions on things that don't matter in the grand scheme of things, they aren't running our society or secretly controlling it you retard.
 
Are you asking if she's a Mary Sue by accident because the writing sucks ass or on purpose...because the writing still sucks ass? Now I'm confused. Does it even really matter at this point?

Yes basically. Did they intentionally make her this OP or were they just that incompetent?

It sucks either way. I'm just wondering.
 
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OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.

Here's your answer, from Kathleen Kennedy herself:

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There was crystal clear agenda pushing when it comes to Rey in all three movies.
 
OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.
Yeah, that's a component of being a Mary Sue. The plot seems to move along irrespective of actual logic so that the Sue can take up screentime. It's not just "OP powers plz nerf", although the "I am all the Jedi" ticks that box off rather well.

According to the new IX dictionary and guide for the film, Disney will no longer be using BBY/ABY (Before and After Battle of Yavin) for the Star Wars calendar's dating system. Instead they'll be using BSI/ASI (Before and After Starkiller Incident) for all years in SW from now on... So currently it is now Year 1 ASI in Plan IX. Therefore Rey and her gang have officially replaced Luke and his friends in every conceivable way.

The same guide also tries to explain why the stupidly named "Holdo Maneuver" was only a 1 in a million thing and why nobody uses it. Suffice it to say, it sounds more bullshitty than the explanations surrounding Starkiller or Rey herself.
Not even 35 fucking years and they're already implementing a new dating system. What a joke.
 
OK regarding Rey being a Mary Sue...

After Rise of Skywalker, I have to ask myself: Is Rey really a Mary Sue at this point, or is it just lousy writing where they just made a bunch of shit up to get from Point A to Point B?

Like "Oh she can heal now because...MOVIE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!". There is so much "It happened so shit can keep moving" that I even wonder if it was an example of the terrible writing trope of a Mary Sue or just fundamentally bad writing from the very start.

Mary Sues are a product of terrible writing, and one of its hallmarks.

So her being one is absolutely the fault of the writing, yes.
 
Honestly what always struck out at me about the Prequel trilogy was how my dad viewed it: Yeah, a lot if it's got shitty writing, but it's responsible for so much good on the greater whole that the fuck-ups aren't big deals. You can't say "Oh, this ruined Star Wars" about any of the Prequels, no matter how shit any scene in them was because they happened ages ago in the setting, were mostly backed up by some pretty solid established canon, and ultimately led to the main trilogy. It was thanks to Dad that I learned to enjoy a lot about the Prequels for all their numerous flaws, and while I won't say they're great movies by any stretch, I will say I came around on them, and when paired with some of the EU canon around them, I even found a great deal of fondness for them.

And I think that's the biggest issue right there.

When the Prequels fucked up, there was an underlying desire to do well by the franchise with them. Even when parts of the movies were bad, they weren't bad in a way that was genuinely mean-spirited or offensive, most of the time it was a well-intended idea falling short of the mark. Even if you hate fundamental issues like the pacing of Episode 1 or the dialogue of Episode 2, you have, at the end of the day, a movie that still genuinely feels like it belongs and isn't going out of its way to make you feel worse for giving a shit about it.

For all the ST movies, there is a consistent, pervasive aura of contempt for the veteran fanbase throughout. While TFA is nowhere near as bad about it, TLJ and TROS are utterly shameless about it. There's a reason they went out of their way to fuck over everything remotely resembling a plot thread in Episode VIII, and that's because they legitimately hated the fandom, as evidenced by their own sperg-fits on Twitter.

Idly, for those interested, my own beliefs on the ratings of the movies from best to worst:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
Shouldn't need to explain this, but since we have a lot of newcomers, I will: It's the best movie overall due to the character elements. Ironically enough it's one of the lightest of the original movies in regards to action, with not a hell of a lot actually happening from an action perspective, but tons happening in terms of world-building and character development. Anyone who believes the original trilogy is for children, as opposed to being for basically everyone needs to go back and watch this movie. You'll be thankful you did. This is the emotional core of Star Wars - not the big explosions or shiny things, but the legitimate character drama and interplay. There's a reason that the Radio Drama series of Star Wars is seen as an unsung classic and this movie basically embodies why that is.

2. Return of the Jedi
I'm gonna catch so much flak on this one but it's my list so fuck off. If Empire is the build-up of the OT, Jedi is its payoff. Everything just clicks, and for every problem Jedi has, it has three times as many good things. Seeing every character you've come to know and love get major moments and interplay together is fantastic, and some of the best moments in the entire series are here. Every character in it has time to shine even though Luke's the main focus. It's enough to outstrip many of the movie's dumbest moments, and that's kind of great.

3. Star Wars
Warning: Dangerous amounts of the 1970s. This movie is an instant classic and absolutely worth watching, with solid writing and some fantastic visual storytelling throughout. The reason I don't rate it any higher than this is because its design tends to show its age, and while that's charming, a lot of it channels that old-fashioned B-movie serial vibe and it really shows (that scene where Solo chases the stormtroopers comes to mind). There's some minor bits that get left out that were in the Radio Drama (Luke's background, why Luke was allowed to sortie against the Death Star, etc) that I think could be implemented fine with some minor lines without losing anything, but overall what you have is solid and sets up a great foundation to build on.

4. Revenge of the Sith
I quibbled over whether this or the movie that follows belonged in this slot, and after I weighed which I would rather watch right now based purely on its own merits, Sith won handily. It's the least overall bad Prequel movie and while it has its moments of flaming idiocy, the visual spectacle and the weight of what's going on in real time really drives home the quality of this film. While I don't think that it can really hold a candle to the OT, it definitely is the most solid overall of the PT movies and I would argue has the most untapped potential in the end.

5. Attack of the Clones
This movie is pretty bad by Star Wars standards but I can absolutely appreciate what they were trying to do before they fucked this whole thing up. The intention was very clearly intended to make Anakin seem like a hotshot Jedi maverick, well-meaning and well-intentioned, but hotheaded and reckless. That's not how he comes across, and it has everything to do with the terrible dialogue. A little bit of tweaking and some better pacing and what you'd have here would be a movie arguably taking up the #4 slot but ultimately falls short due to its own failures. It's a shame too, because the worldbuilding is solid and if all the ingredients had more time to cook this could have been something so much bigger.

6. Rogue One
I realize that the title of "least awful Disney Wars movie" is damning with fine praise, but unlike many I'm not going to give this movie and its shameless attempt to rip off Dark Forces any credit for managing to wear the bra of a considerably better-endowed game. Rogue One panders hard, and for every bit of good it has it stumbles someplace else. It has enough going for it to be a decent action flick, at least, and if that's all you want in your Star Wars, it works really well for that, but it could be infinitely better with some shockingly small scene and dialogue changes and if it tried to be its own thing more.

7. The Force Awakens
I don't hate this. It's bad, and a lot of the problems it has are visible from the first few scenes, but there's enormous potential here even if it's never fully lived up to. This is the only movie in which Rey is tolerable and not say, the female equivalent of a Neil Breen character, as well as the very last time Poe or Finn have any dignity whatsoever, so enjoy it while it lasts. As a standalone movie, it's perfectly serviceable, if kind of bittering since we all know where it's leading now. Enjoy it for what it is and it's not awful. Pair it with its follow-up movies and RENDER THIS EXISTENCE FALLIBLE.

8. Episode One
Hoo boy. I actually like what Episode One tries to do, but its execution is so fundamentally broken that it can't help but stagger through the motions. It's a movie with some great moments in the series piggybacking some of the fucking worst, and a lot of that boils down to a net negative. For every Darth Maul fight, there's Anakin blowing up a Trade Federation vessel by accident. For every decent piece of worldbuilding, there's Midichlorians. For every bit of tension there's Jar Jar acting like an idiot. The tragedy is that all of Episode One's numerous missteps are hardly anything destructive singly, and many of them would prove redeemable later, but taken by its lonesome, Episode One is the one movie on this list from the Prequel Trilogy that I'm in no hurry to watch again.

9. Solo: A Star Wars Story
A fucking botch. An absolutely pointless waste of time and effort that tells a story that didn't need to be told and was already covered in the Radio Drama series. Would be much more entertaining save for its decision to spray Identity Politics everywhere with shit like Feminist Droid and Pansexual Lando done for no other reason than to give the creators one more chance to soapbox like the tasteless dipshits they are. To show how much they stand by their convictions, they then remove these for the Chinese release, showing it to be further hollow virtual signaling.

10, The Last Jedi
Fucking atrocious and deserving of nothing but scorn. The Last Jedi solely exists to be a two and a half hour middle-finger to anyone who legitimately cared about the series or its canon and is a massive give-away to entitled faggots who want to see those fans suffer. One of the most cynical, nihilistic, mean-spirited movies I've ever had the displeasure of watching, the entire thing comes across as giving the entire fandom an anal fisting for daring to point out that TFA could have been so much better than it turned out to be. Only one OT character escapes this cinematic vandalism and the bulk of the OT is relegated to a less relevant position than the fucking Porgs that exist to sell toys. Fuck this movie, and everything it stands for.

11. The Rise of Skywalker
You know what Episode VIII didn't have? Rey flat-out assuming godhood over a broken universe which was destroyed solely so she could be the most important thing in it. I've heard people say that this isn't as bad as the Last Jedi; I disagree, as the more you care about the franchise, the more this movie hurts. From violating long-established rules of astrophysics (Star Destroyers are way too big to go into an atmosphere) to relying on "rule of cool" to hand-wave various issues, inventing new force powers out of nowhere and even giving zero reason for why Palpy is even still alive, this fucking movie just gives up about 20 seconds in and hopes you'll be sufficiently distracted by the beautiful set-pieces and action to not notice that the entire movie is held together with rubber bands and duct tape and has nothing of its own merit to stand on. The ending the ST deserves, and may a flock of Porgs sing it to its fiery demise.

The biggest problem with the prequels was that they started too early. Episode 1 doesn't need to exist. Make Anakin a serf or slave on Naboo who happens to be a great pilot. Or maybe he was a slave pilot for the trade federation, and because of his skill with the force, broke his conditioning. You can use this as a hook about his mother. He's key to winning the victory in the sky for the first film, and saves the princess at some point, and has earned his freedom.

You have slight romantic tension between Padme and Anakin during the movie, but it is made clear that a former slave has no hope of winning her hand. Therefore, he accepts Obi-Wan's offer to become a Jedi and free his mother who is still held by the Trade Federation. The Jedi order is wary about him because he has had his mind messed with and has anger issues. You also start the Clone Wars by the end of the film.

And whenever someone talks shit about white people they're joking too right?

Fuck you! You're the cancer that is allowing civilization to die. Or more accurately you're the helper t cells that allow aids to mislead them and destroy the body.

That's my main hate towards RLM, Mr.Metokur, dick Masterson, Dan Harmon and others like them. Especially Jon Stewart

This bullshit immunity where the internet collectively allows it so they are never wrong and when they are they were being exceptional on purpose.

Somehow Jesus Christ and Abe Lincoln arent allowed this immunity but some aggot that made you laugh does

We allow the director of space cop to dictate our opinions and then let him backtrack with "just kidding" meanwhile George Lucas spends almost 2 decades begging pretty much everyone he knows to help direct or write the prequels and then allows a "warts and all" BTS even after knowing it would make him look like an asshole. And he still gets vilified for it.

If we learn nothing else from this decade, it should be that giving someone immunity from criticism just because they made us laugh is a fast track to the end of society and the stuff we love about it.

Please go back to reddit.
 
I certainly agree with that, but I think I share lodoss warrior's befuddlement and annoyance as to how they (RLM) and other prequel haters were so ridiculously overcritical and on the nose with the prequels problems but have been relatively mum when critiquing TFA and even TLJ. I don't understand that. How can they honestly despise one and not the other as well even if it is for different reasons?
Because the prequels are worse than the sequels.
 
You could recover the whole thing in less than 30 seconds of film time.

After the credits, show Rey sitting in the shadow of some Star Destroyer wreckage, her eyes closed. She jerks slightly, opens her eyes, looks around at the barren fucking desert she deserves, sighs, and goes "What a nice dream..."

Then JJ Abrams jumps out of the screen and jerks off all over the audience.

Only if he shouts "THE ARISTOCRATS!" would I allow this version to pass through the screening process. That and using Rian Johnson as a meat puppet by a forklift. That would give me all the feels.
 
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