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I've tried explaining this before but there's no definitive answer. First off, despite dropping it, Disney still references or recanonizes shit all the time, like Revan and Thrawn. People assume that its due to legal reasons that they dropped it, but authors like Zahn and some other old author have said that they have no control over their own creations for some reason, instead Disney has full control. For example, Zahn, despite creating Thrawn and Mara Jade, has no control over the fate or appearances of these characters. Zahn and Mark Hamill have both shown interest in wanting Mara Jade brought back into Disney canon and Zahn has been wanting to tell what happens to Thrawn after Rebels, however Zahn has said that he can't do anything in those regards and all his new Thrawn novels have to be restricted to the past, instead he's said that Filoni is the only one who can decided whether Thrawn lives or not and how they will use him in the future, which shows that Disney clearly has more control over these old things than their original creators and they don't even have to credit them, as a lot of old stuff that gets brought back usually appears without crediting the original author, except Thrawn because Filoni wanted to bring in Zahn aboard the Rebels staff to have him help with Thrawn's character and depiction. Another notable thing is that nu-Bioware has been wanting to make KOTOR 3 for ages, but Disney and EA have rejected their attempts despite that they are the original creators of said games and there's no legal problems with SWTOR despite that said game is still adding content from old lore. So again, I doubt legality or author disputes are the problem.
I should also note that despite Disney bringing back old things at times, its usually to either butcher them or make them even worse, or put them into situations that don't make sense or do nothing because the things that made them relevant before no longer happen. For example, Thrawn. Thrawn was made famous for the Thrawn Trilogy, however that shit can no longer happen for various reasons and Disney's timeline simply does not allow room for it, and Thrawn's own final fate within Disney is less than respectable, with him having been defeated along with the Empire's strongest naval fleet by Space Aladdin and his surprise army of tentacled space whales, who proceed to easily destroy these ships than jam a giant tentacle straight into Thrawn's deck and molest him like a hentai character while Space Aladdin force chokes him. The hentai space whales then proceed to shoot hyperdrives out their own ass and disappear into space with Aladdin and Thrawn who were in a ship with broken viewports, which means wherever they end up, they will suffocate to death in the vacuum unless they pull a Leia maneuver from TLJ. Worse things have happened to other characters that have been brought back or they simply get referenced in some random Hidalgo guide from 3 years ago and nothing's ever done with them because their shit no longer fits into Disney canon, like Dash Rendar who was referenced in some Solo shit, but Disney has made it clear Shadows of the Empire never happens. So to sum it up, when old shit gets brought back, its usually to have it get cucked by something new or turning it into some embarrassing Current Year mess.
Leland Chee seems to be the only to have given some kind of explanation, saying that the flushing was simply due to Chewbacca dying in old lore. When the retcon first happened, people assumed it was to clean house and only keep the good stuff while axing or rewriting the bad stuff, but Disney has done the exact opposite, they somehow make the good into bad and they borught back all the bad but make it worse, or introduce their own shitty donut steals of pre-existing characters. Like that Tam Posla guy who is just serving as a Boba Fett stand-in in new media and even appears in Solo. And as a reminder, Tam Posla is a bounty hunter Disney created who worships justice, has Inspector Gadget-like tools (he is 99.9% robotic) and is in a gay relationship with Disney's Toilet Man bounty hunter
TL;DR: Disney retconned shit for dumb reasons and clearly have no idea what they're doing. And they still bring back old stuff to give it the Luke treatment by cucking the fuck out of it. Old authors have said they have no control and get paid no royalties due to original deals. And thinking any of that old shit would scare off normies was a stupid decision in itself since Marvel brought back weirder shit like Guardians of the Galaxy and turned it into one of the most profitable IPs out there right now.
Isn't that what they already are? According to nu-shit, the First Order is a bunch of angry terrorists who go around destroying shit for no reason with no clear goal in mind other than to "bring back the one true way" and the only reason they even got rich is because they made a casino, and they wasted all that casino money on a fleet that's somehow omnipresent and can be built overnight. Also they didn't build Starkiller Base apparently. The Empire already terraformed and ruined the damn planet (which was actually an old canon planet named Ilum that was the source of the majority of lightsaber crystals, this shit was revealed in Fallen Order...) and turned into a base. All the First Order did was show up and build the big laser with their casino money, and the laser is actually powered by lightsaber crystals that produce "phantom energy" according to Hidalgo's disney guides which is why the laser can be seen all across the universe at the same time and fire a beam so fast it can travel halfway across the galaxy in an instant.
And even after doing that the FO still didn't rule jackshit. All they've been doing according to Disney shit is going to random planets and blowing up cities, killing villagers or just nuking entire planets to "spread fear and order". Only place that was ever under their control was Starkiller and a shitty casino.
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No. The Academy just blew up with everyone in it. And there are only three survivors but they go chasing after Kylo Ren and fail (but live). The original depiction implied there was some kind of battle, like Kylombine theories said, but no. Kylo did nothing wrong. Magic lightning did it. I guess they wanted to make Kylo Ren look less edgy and more tragic.
Also wouldn't it be hilarious if the school wasn't blown up by Sheev or Snoke and was actually blown up by Yoda's ghost simply because Disney wants us to start hating him too? He blew up Luke's fucking tree and the supposedly lame birthplace of the jedi. Might as well blow up Luke's academy too.
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I'm still 80 pages from finishing reading the whole thread, oof...
Anyway, I wanted to say something about the Prequels being bad and how they're "better" now. Yes, the Prequels had a terrible execution and most of the ideas were all over the place. But, for God's Sake, it had a theme and a plot:
There is a lot of mistakes and poor editing choices made with the prequels, but that's basically the plot and, imo, it's a consistent plot. If either Disney or Lucas himself decided to make an animated version of the prequels fixing all the mistakes, and acknowledging that animation isn't just for kids and how they can use that medium to tell an amazing story of a man's descent to evil and madness, just by using that same story, the result would be beautiful.
But if they use the same plot with the Sequels, not the case.
So, yes, indeed, the Prequels are way better than the Sequels, in any aspect.
Anyway, I wanted to say something about the Prequels being bad and how they're "better" now. Yes, the Prequels had a terrible execution and most of the ideas were all over the place. But, for God's Sake, it had a theme and a plot:
The Jedi order found Anakin Skywalker, a kid who they thought to be the Chosen One, the one Jedi to bring balance to the Force. They took him in and help him develop his powers. Anakin became an amazing Jedi, but he couldn't let his feelings behind: the love for his mother and the youthful infatuation with Padme. When he's older, he starts having dreams about his mother being in danger, but the Jedi won't allow him to go as he must suppress his feelings, which makes him start feeling resentful about them. Only Padme helps him reach his mother but it's too late and the Dark Side starts to take over him. Losing his mother makes him look comfort in Padme, who he marries in secret. During war times, he meets Palpatine, who offers Anakin a way to protect the people he loves, something he desperetely wants as he doesn't want to lose his wife either. Anakin's blunt idealism about power and authority makes him easy prey for Palpatine, who wins him over as he plays with his resentment over the Jedi. Everything goes wrong, Anakin is defeated by Obi-Wan, Padme dies, Darth Vader is born and he finally gets rid of all of his feelings as the Jedi intended.
There is a lot of mistakes and poor editing choices made with the prequels, but that's basically the plot and, imo, it's a consistent plot. If either Disney or Lucas himself decided to make an animated version of the prequels fixing all the mistakes, and acknowledging that animation isn't just for kids and how they can use that medium to tell an amazing story of a man's descent to evil and madness, just by using that same story, the result would be beautiful.
But if they use the same plot with the Sequels, not the case.
So, yes, indeed, the Prequels are way better than the Sequels, in any aspect.
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ST2009 was a decent movie. It was not a Star Trek movie, but it was decent sci-fi action flick. JJ was not allowed to do his mystery boxes horseshit and the movie was ok.
Also I've softened on ST2009 somewhat since I found out that the Viacom break up more or less forced them to do a shitty time wipe.
The rights were divided with the reformed-Paramount getting the Star Trek movies and the rights to make more as long as they were clearly unrelated to any television productions being done by the reformed-CBS (which had the TV rights) unless CBS agreed.
Given those restrictions, Paramount was pretty much forced to do weird alternate timeline shit.
Note that none of the 3 Star Trek films use the word "Phaser"; only "Weapon".
Phaser is copywrited Star Trek vocabulary, which Paramount has rights to, but decided to keep well the fuck away from dangerous territory.
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So, the bodies are just flung corpses from the structure?
Whatever, who fucking cares?
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I could actually write a book about what a massive fuck up GE is. 4 billion dollars wasted on something that comes from none of the movies or even any media and suffers from dozens of issues almost every week.
But I think I said it best here:
Not that I'm defending Kylo Ren fans, but people were hoping to at least see the stupid fucker go all emo and do a Kylombine. At least then it would've been good for a laugh to see him violently sperg out while someone makes a meme edit with Crawling in my Skin. But in true Marvel fashion they couldn't even do that right. Instead the stupid fucker runs off to a greenhouse to get anally pegged by Ms. Snoke.
Calm down man. I'm just trying to answer the fucking question. I'm not the one writing these awful comics.
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From a purely logistical perspective, it makes sense. You don’t want your new series to be artificially limited by the wide-reaching canon of the EU. Obviously, this only applies if you then go on to loosely adapt EU stories while making changes that make sense for the change to movie format (cutting/changing/merging minor characters and plot points, for example) instead of writing your own shitty fanfiction that’s worse than the worst the EU has to offer and can’t even keep continuity within its own trilogy, much less with the greater SW universe.
Something I bring up with my friends now is to imagine ten years from now when Marvel runs its movies into the dirt in the same way. The new generation of 30+ year old assholes will salivate for the worst shit. Wow epic doctor doom! I can't wait to tell my kids about the thanos and how this is SO SIMILAR!!!!!! Black Spider-Man! Omgz its le epic modok haha i hope my girlfriends boyfriend can buy me his new mug!!! I luv nu wolverin!
Shaht tha fuck up
I hate that we have dragged our standards so low that as long as we like the ip, quality doesn't matter, we'll consume product. Happened with Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Pokemon, Halo, Captain Marvel, and now Star Wars.
Shaht tha fuck up
I hate that we have dragged our standards so low that as long as we like the ip, quality doesn't matter, we'll consume product. Happened with Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Pokemon, Halo, Captain Marvel, and now Star Wars.
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Diabetes can do this.
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re: "TRoS is a dumb action movie for no-fans"
No way. A dumb action movie needs to be 100% self-contained. It can't expect viewers to be familiar with the characters and exploit established traits and relationships, and it can't rely on DLC for most of its plot and background. For every character, the viewer should know where he is, who he is, and what he wants.
As a kid, I used to play oldschool RPGs which would constantly reference the manual, which I didn't have because yarrrr. "The evil wizard threatens you, and you record his speech in your journal on page 56. What do you do?" And they were playable, because journal references were my cue to hypothesize. TRoS doesn't even have that, it presents itself as the Definite End of the "saga". It'd be honestly less offensive if ads for DLC actually kept popping up on screen during the movie like that llama.
(While we're at that, "The saga will end. The story lives forever" is immeasurably cringey. "Saga" and "story" mean the same thing. Contrasting them instead of using the same word twice comes off as illiterate.)
re: "Star Wars is not for everyone"
It is though, but execs would have needed to pretend otherwise for anything good to come out of it.
The cowardly, cancerous corporate hivemind has a low opinion of girls. Lucas himself has a low opinion of girls. To make a Star Wars, you need to be aiming to sell toys to boys. That goal alone 1. results in a large, spacious universe able to contain a variety of stories 2. prevents mary sues by prescribing multiple "playable" characters 3. puts the writers in a proper mindset to analyze the plot draft from an involved, unironically caring perspective. The focus group should consist of boys. Let them tear plots apart and see what they come up with. (Girls are people-pleasers afraid to hurt a fat Barbie's feelings. Grandpa Freddie said it a century and a half ago and by god (who's dead) was he ever right.)
This.
re: movie ranking
TFA > TLJ >>> TRoS, all of this far below the prequels. If executive shitting on the OT inherent in the extant premise of TFA is discounted, I guess TFA beats II.
Rey and co should've lost and only barely escaped alive when Finn picked a side, and the movie should've presented it as a victory of sorts. If the triumph of VI were to be erased, it should be by a supernatural power, and Kylo Ren should have embodied it by the end of TFA.
Regarding TLJ, I don't mind Ruin's main factual subversions at all. It's everything else about the movie that's bad: Poe's idiotic war crime, the bombing run, the static space chase, Finn and Rose fucking off, the orange lizard, Snoke masturbating to Rey's impending death, Admiral Tumblr and her maneuver, green tard cum, saving what we love, Rey's utter uselessness for the plot. "At least" it has a sense of location, a single quest item, and some semblance of pacing. But Snoke's death? Good. Rey's parentage? Good. Luke rejecting Rey? Good. You need to, uh, subvert some expectations on the way to the end, otherwise you get TRoS.
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Like honestly, Disney basically had a clean slate (the idea of which was debatable to begin with), but it shouldn't have turned out this badly. In just 5 years we now have more books, comics, TV shows, and all other sorts of media than the last 30 years of Star Wars history and its more convoluted and difficult to follow than ever and made all the more worse by either Wendig-tier writing, woke shit, barely any violence and lots of farting, and the fact that they take the good from the old and cuck the shit out of it, even Luke Skywalker himself is almost unbelievable.
Oddly enough the one area that they still have fewer things of than in old Star Wars is video games.
One of which was a controversial mess that resulted in governments having to question the nature of "gambling" in video games and the other just a standard lego game. Also 3 pieces of scam-tier mobile garbage.
Another thing that really fucking gets to me is this low-standard form of consoome that is dreadfully common in the 40-50 yr old stah wahz fans. Take for example when you bring up the prequels, their response is almost universally pure irrational hate, harkening back to when they saw TPM at the theater and how much they hate Jar Jar. Just pure, superficial hate. But they won't hold disney's shit up to the same standards. As long as it looks pretty and nostalgic, they will like it no matter fucking what.
Like you get this same group of assholes talking about Rogue One and you can basically see the precum oozing from their oversized cargo shorts. Rogue One isn't even that good of a fucking movie, its an average movie with shallow characters, tacked on romance, dreadful pacing and a nostalgic star wars skin that makes it better by association. Fucking everyone that likes this movie brings up the Darth Vader slaughter scene at the end. Cool, the best part of the movie is removed from literally all the main characters, has absolutely no dialogue and features your beloved action figure doing the things you made him do the other night when you were silently playing in your man cave while your wife fingers herself to her coworker's facebook profile. Good one. Wow. Epic.
Like you get this same group of assholes talking about Rogue One and you can basically see the precum oozing from their oversized cargo shorts. Rogue One isn't even that good of a fucking movie, its an average movie with shallow characters, tacked on romance, dreadful pacing and a nostalgic star wars skin that makes it better by association. Fucking everyone that likes this movie brings up the Darth Vader slaughter scene at the end. Cool, the best part of the movie is removed from literally all the main characters, has absolutely no dialogue and features your beloved action figure doing the things you made him do the other night when you were silently playing in your man cave while your wife fingers herself to her coworker's facebook profile. Good one. Wow. Epic.
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While I'm waiting on people to show up and not working, I figure with all the keystrokes I've spent shitting on JJ and his shitty mystery boxes jars of screws, it probably behooves answering what's likely the question on folks minds:
If JJ's screw-boxes have such a solid record of being utter and absolute shit, why the fuck do studios let him do them?
So the first and obvious is to point out the exception to the rule, namely Star Trek. Paramount wasn't going to let him turn the Star Trek films into Lost. Unfortunately they forgot to take away his access to After Effects,and we get so many lens flares I swear it had to have been something like the "meow" thing from Super Troopers.
But, to answer why he gets hired: Per JJ's own admission, the concept of Lost was dreamt up more or less real-time as he was pitching the idea of taking over a doomed series to some network execs. Credit where it is due, JJ thinks fast on his feet.
The problem, as I've said indirectly in other posts, is that JJ doesn't think long term. He just sprinkles mystery boxes in his plots so when he needs something to happen, there is always something to open if you need it. But he never stopped to think about what should realistically be behind the door when you got there; because for JJ that defeats the purpose.
Luke's light saber is a "story for another time"; that time is when the writer is in a jam, and can't think of anything good to write. So you leave it as open as possible so when you need to open the mystery box, the reveal can be whatever the fuck you think it should be at that moment.
There is no plan for what's to be inside; having a plan for what's inside defeats its purpose as Schrodinger's MacGuffin.
While JJ's schtick is super hacky, that Eraser-headed nigga has never been written into a corner until the very end.
So its good for being able to churn out a screen play, but it is utter fucking shit for trying to tell a cohesive or coherent story.
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JJ is who you goto when your project is in trouble. Flashy lens-flare mystery box shit that can just get banged out ASAP; the script might be completely retarded and incoherent, but the script comes out in record. Anytime you hit a wall writing, you just throw a mystery box at it.
As to why JJ got TFA, which at the time was not in trouble?
JJ supposedly got 2009 Star Trek because he'd been able to prove himself a competent director and his Lost-buddy was attached. Disney got JJ on TFA because he was a competent director who'd proven himself able to make action sci-fi, and to keep Paramount from being able to try to counter Star Wars with Star Trek.
Contrast this with someone's who knows how to do long term plot and payoff like JMS.
Babylon 5 loses its main protagonist after the 1st season (The guy playing the part had a diagnosed mental illness and couldn't continue acting after it worsened). The principal character is replaced in season 2 with minimal disruption in a way that makes complete in universe sense, and spends the A-plot of a single episode dealing with the change.
How? Because JMS had written for TV before, and knew that TV casting could fluctuate. So every single character had a thought-out reason that they might vanish at almost any time, and be replaced by a new character with a new actor. This didn't stop him from having events in the earlier seasons that had effects in the later ones.
JMS also had lots of unanswered questions, but he had good answers for them when they came up.
If JJ's screw-boxes have such a solid record of being utter and absolute shit, why the fuck do studios let him do them?
So the first and obvious is to point out the exception to the rule, namely Star Trek. Paramount wasn't going to let him turn the Star Trek films into Lost. Unfortunately they forgot to take away his access to After Effects,and we get so many lens flares I swear it had to have been something like the "meow" thing from Super Troopers.
But, to answer why he gets hired: Per JJ's own admission, the concept of Lost was dreamt up more or less real-time as he was pitching the idea of taking over a doomed series to some network execs. Credit where it is due, JJ thinks fast on his feet.
The problem, as I've said indirectly in other posts, is that JJ doesn't think long term. He just sprinkles mystery boxes in his plots so when he needs something to happen, there is always something to open if you need it. But he never stopped to think about what should realistically be behind the door when you got there; because for JJ that defeats the purpose.
Luke's light saber is a "story for another time"; that time is when the writer is in a jam, and can't think of anything good to write. So you leave it as open as possible so when you need to open the mystery box, the reveal can be whatever the fuck you think it should be at that moment.
There is no plan for what's to be inside; having a plan for what's inside defeats its purpose as Schrodinger's MacGuffin.
While JJ's schtick is super hacky, that Eraser-headed nigga has never been written into a corner until the very end.
So its good for being able to churn out a screen play, but it is utter fucking shit for trying to tell a cohesive or coherent story.
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JJ is who you goto when your project is in trouble. Flashy lens-flare mystery box shit that can just get banged out ASAP; the script might be completely retarded and incoherent, but the script comes out in record. Anytime you hit a wall writing, you just throw a mystery box at it.
As to why JJ got TFA, which at the time was not in trouble?
JJ supposedly got 2009 Star Trek because he'd been able to prove himself a competent director and his Lost-buddy was attached. Disney got JJ on TFA because he was a competent director who'd proven himself able to make action sci-fi, and to keep Paramount from being able to try to counter Star Wars with Star Trek.
Contrast this with someone's who knows how to do long term plot and payoff like JMS.
Babylon 5 loses its main protagonist after the 1st season (The guy playing the part had a diagnosed mental illness and couldn't continue acting after it worsened). The principal character is replaced in season 2 with minimal disruption in a way that makes complete in universe sense, and spends the A-plot of a single episode dealing with the change.
How? Because JMS had written for TV before, and knew that TV casting could fluctuate. So every single character had a thought-out reason that they might vanish at almost any time, and be replaced by a new character with a new actor. This didn't stop him from having events in the earlier seasons that had effects in the later ones.
JMS also had lots of unanswered questions, but he had good answers for them when they came up.
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Going to speculate on careers after the movie
Adam Driver has nothing to worry about, dude is getting good leading roles in smaller movies now which won't dry up anytime soon, plus likely to be up for best actor at the oscars.
Daisy Ridley is still an unknown, she still hasn't done much outside Star Wars apart from Murder on the Orient Express however she was just one in the big cast i and the Peter Rabbit movies which she just does a voice in, I think at the very least she will have a career path like Emma Watson, very well paying roles but just based on her history with a big ip and not any talent she may or may not have.
John Boyega, career I don't see being big, after the first one no one cared about his character anymore but more importantly, he had two leading role between the SW movies, Detroit a mid budget movie from Kathryn Bigelow and Pacific Rim: Uprising, both of these movies flopped, so doubt he will get any more leading roles. He said he doesn't want to be Disney +ed but he may have to if he wants the work.
Oscar Isaac, still regarded as one of the best working actors of the past few years, doubt he will have any career issues for the next few years as long as he sticks with what he has been doing and people don't get sick of him.
Kelly Marie Tran, looking at her wiki she has just got tv work and voice over gigs planned since Star Wars is over, wouldn't be shocked if her career was 90% that now, the only fans she has is due to people defending her from the backlash her character got, I truly don't think anyone enjoyed her performance outside Rian Johnson.
J. J. Abrams, got a $250 million deal with WB before SW9 came out, so he will be fine unless he fucks off does a movie for someone else like he did with Star Wars when he had a deal with Paramount, the question is what will he do with WB in terms of movies, WB clearly want new movie series as well as help in bring back old one like Superman, this worrying because JJ lack any originality, with his best movie being Super 8 which is pretty much him ripping off Steven Spielberg, secondly having him on something like Superman after his awful Superman Flyby script or even worse case would be him doing Star Trek into Darkness style awful remakes of other ips WB own.
Rian Johnson, career will be fine, while Last Jedi was very mixed in reaction and did make a lot less than last movie, it still made money, but what made sure his career will be fine was Knives Out which has grossed $186 million on a $40 million budget, when similar movies such as Bad Times at the El Royale flopped. However I doubt his Star Wars movie will ever happen and hopefully they won't, not sure if any studio will give him the keys to a big ip again, but in the sub $100 million budgets he will do well.
Kathleen Kennedy, she needs to go, toys sales are down. Solo flop is mostly on her choosing to reshoot the thing nearly doubling the budget, Last Jedi being the way it is, replacing directors all time and finally SW9. While I say she needs to go, I doubt her career will be over, she will mostly likely rejoin The Kennedy/Marshall Company where she was a much better fit, looking at her producing credits the worst movies she has produced are the heavy fantasy based ones such as Star Wars, The Flintstones and The Last Airbender, and should avoid those type of movies in the future, instead go for lighter fantasy stuff such as going off her past work Back to the Future, the Goonies or Jurassic Park or just more grounded stuff with no fantasy elements.
Adam Driver has nothing to worry about, dude is getting good leading roles in smaller movies now which won't dry up anytime soon, plus likely to be up for best actor at the oscars.
Daisy Ridley is still an unknown, she still hasn't done much outside Star Wars apart from Murder on the Orient Express however she was just one in the big cast i and the Peter Rabbit movies which she just does a voice in, I think at the very least she will have a career path like Emma Watson, very well paying roles but just based on her history with a big ip and not any talent she may or may not have.
John Boyega, career I don't see being big, after the first one no one cared about his character anymore but more importantly, he had two leading role between the SW movies, Detroit a mid budget movie from Kathryn Bigelow and Pacific Rim: Uprising, both of these movies flopped, so doubt he will get any more leading roles. He said he doesn't want to be Disney +ed but he may have to if he wants the work.
Oscar Isaac, still regarded as one of the best working actors of the past few years, doubt he will have any career issues for the next few years as long as he sticks with what he has been doing and people don't get sick of him.
Kelly Marie Tran, looking at her wiki she has just got tv work and voice over gigs planned since Star Wars is over, wouldn't be shocked if her career was 90% that now, the only fans she has is due to people defending her from the backlash her character got, I truly don't think anyone enjoyed her performance outside Rian Johnson.
J. J. Abrams, got a $250 million deal with WB before SW9 came out, so he will be fine unless he fucks off does a movie for someone else like he did with Star Wars when he had a deal with Paramount, the question is what will he do with WB in terms of movies, WB clearly want new movie series as well as help in bring back old one like Superman, this worrying because JJ lack any originality, with his best movie being Super 8 which is pretty much him ripping off Steven Spielberg, secondly having him on something like Superman after his awful Superman Flyby script or even worse case would be him doing Star Trek into Darkness style awful remakes of other ips WB own.
Rian Johnson, career will be fine, while Last Jedi was very mixed in reaction and did make a lot less than last movie, it still made money, but what made sure his career will be fine was Knives Out which has grossed $186 million on a $40 million budget, when similar movies such as Bad Times at the El Royale flopped. However I doubt his Star Wars movie will ever happen and hopefully they won't, not sure if any studio will give him the keys to a big ip again, but in the sub $100 million budgets he will do well.
Kathleen Kennedy, she needs to go, toys sales are down. Solo flop is mostly on her choosing to reshoot the thing nearly doubling the budget, Last Jedi being the way it is, replacing directors all time and finally SW9. While I say she needs to go, I doubt her career will be over, she will mostly likely rejoin The Kennedy/Marshall Company where she was a much better fit, looking at her producing credits the worst movies she has produced are the heavy fantasy based ones such as Star Wars, The Flintstones and The Last Airbender, and should avoid those type of movies in the future, instead go for lighter fantasy stuff such as going off her past work Back to the Future, the Goonies or Jurassic Park or just more grounded stuff with no fantasy elements.
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If the script leak rumors are true, I think John Boyega's career is over. Skin color is no defence against disloyalty to the mouse.
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The IX visual dictionary finally revealed how Yellow Yoda got Luke's lightsaber! And Twitter and Reddit are abuzz with HYPE™!
She bought it from some random miner who was selling old junk because she likes collecting old shit... No wonder they didn't put this shit in the movie. That's fucking shamefully lazy. I mean seriously, that was "that's a story for another time"? "I bought it at a local flea market"? Would've been less stupid if she said The Force/Destiny works in mysterious ways.
She bought it from some random miner who was selling old junk because she likes collecting old shit... No wonder they didn't put this shit in the movie. That's fucking shamefully lazy. I mean seriously, that was "that's a story for another time"? "I bought it at a local flea market"? Would've been less stupid if she said The Force/Destiny works in mysterious ways.
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Hollywood is now irrelevant. This complete risk-aversion and their attempts to monopolize distribution are exactly what is killing them at the moment. Movie theater attendance is in an almost 20-year lowpoint now, more movies fail than succeed, and China is increasingly laughing off the western market in favor of their own home-grown alternatives. They're trying to carve out niches by monopolizing the distribution platforms but that's not going to work when people have alternatives. Sooner or later, they're going to have to realize that actually making something people want pays more than endless rehashes and pandering woke garbage.
It's nice to see I wasn't the only one who didn't like Rogue One very much. In my case it was the fact that it openly stole a plot element from an existing story (because that's all Disney-Lucasfilm ever seems to do lately) and, as per tradition, executed it shittily because extensive gatekeeping by the big studios has resulted in a race to the bottom as far as talent goes.
The people snorting up Rogue One as awesome are almost never OT fans. They're usually PT fans. What happened is that as the whole of nerd-dom realized "hey, these movies are pretty terribly written," these PT fans were caught out in the shuffle, and when RLM's reviews came out, these poor fans got the shit bullied out of them by unremitting assholes in their own community - and you all know the kinds of assholes those were, because many of those communities have successful threads on this website now.
Basically these fans wound up with the mindset of Bob Chipman - hating that which they originally loved because they were socially pressured into it. They defend Rogue One because it's the least bad of the Disney Wars movies and because it's not socially acceptible for them to defend what they actually enjoy, which is bullshit - if you're a nerd you made peace with that being the price of doing what you love ages ago.
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- Jun 4, 2016
I'm suing you and Disney.
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- Apr 14, 2018
If that's the case, the movies fail to convey that as the First Order look like the Empire in how they're presented throughout the movies rather than Space terrorists given the government's army, "The Resistance", look much more weaker and appear more like a rebellion than the First Order do.
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Ehh, I wasn't upset, nor directing that at you. That was decleration of apathy at how stupid it was....