Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

While the new Plan 9 Visual Dictionary is still getting shilled by nu-geek sites, which answers all the questions and plot holes the movie doesn't (which is fucking retarded), it finally is starting to get some heat, at least from one news site that's not geek culture focused.
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I mean like seriously, a guide or book's role is to offer neat tidbits, facts and trivia about a film's story, behind the scenes production and its lore, not fill in plot holes, explain how the movie "just works" or tell us who these Knights of Ren fuckers are or why we should give a shit about awful characters like Rey. Hell the movie does absolutely nothing with that useless Jennah character. She's just there for no reason and in the dictionary its the only place where you'll find out that she's Lando's troon'd out son and why she had to be in the movie. I mean seriously, was the movie such a fucking mess they didn't even have time to add what should be a very important piece of info to one of the film's new main characters? Especially when said character is the only child of the original heroes left alive? The book is also the only place where you find out how Yellow Yoda got Luke's lightsaber and the answer is lame as all fucks. She just buys it from a miner at a flea market.
 
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People assume that its due to legal reasons that they dropped it, but authors like Zahn and some other old author have said that they have no control over their own creations for some reason, instead Disney has full control.

Because no competent franchise holder is going to let anyone but themselves retain full control over franchise elements. Only utter idiots like Archie Comics do that shit (Ken Penders). Their contract is going to give them control over absolutely everything forever.
 
She bought it from some random miner who was selling old junk because she likes collecting old shit... No wonder they didn't put this shit in the movie. That's fucking shamefully lazy. I mean seriously, that was "that's a story for another time"? "I bought it at a local flea market"? Would've been less stupid if she said The Force/Destiny works in mysterious ways.

These people just actively don't give a shit about Star Wars, if not outright hate it and its fans. I can only hope this becomes more and more apparent to the mainstream, along with the fact that Disney's a fucking evil empire that needs either to be cut down or placed under new management.

It's nice to see I wasn't the only one who didn't like Rogue One very much. In my case it was the fact that it openly stole a plot element from an existing story (because that's all Disney-Lucasfilm ever seems to do lately) and, as per tradition, executed it shittily because extensive gatekeeping by the big studios has resulted in a race to the bottom as far as talent goes.

Rogue One was blasé. Propped up by membaberries and tie-ins with Filoni Wars. Do people on Twitter even talk about it anymore with regards to social justice milestones, like being the first to cast Asians in Star Wars or some shit?
 
Because no competent franchise holder is going to let anyone but themselves retain full control over franchise elements. Only utter idiots like Archie Comics do that shit (Ken Penders). Their contract is going to give them control over absolutely everything forever.
Exactly. Past authors have made it clear that Disney holds full control over their shit and Disney could do whatever they want with it. But Disney was too stupid to take advantage of this like they did Marvel in the MCU (at least initially before deciding to make shit about FemThor and Muslim Ms. Marvel). Instead they just stole ideas purely for egotistical reasons or cucked out characters like Luke, Thrawn, HK-47 and Kyle Katarn because they thought people would only care about their original donut steal characters like Rey, Rae Sloane, Mister Bones and Dr. Aphra.

The ones below the originals are pretty much donut steals of them in every way except more fitting to the standards of Current Year.
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And yes the last pic of Dr. Aphra is from the Marvel comics just shamelessly traced a pre-existing image. Almost everything they do is traced.
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Also the gay robot is technically HK-47 in the future according to Chuck Wendig and Marvel.
 
Because no competent franchise holder is going to let anyone but themselves retain full control over franchise elements. Only utter idiots like Archie Comics do that shit (Ken Penders). Their contract is going to give them control over absolutely everything forever.
But Disney have proven themselves to be remarkably incompetent franchise-holders where Star Wars is concerned...🤔
 
When has a JJ movie ever had good fight coregraphing?
If I recall from behind the scenes stuff, Lucas -- at least for the prequels -- studied various forms of sword fighting and let it show in the PT and what eventually because the in-universe seven forms of lightsaber combat. In short, he took time to study dueling and used it to choreograph the realistic, action-packed, kick-ass fights that we see in the PT. Due to then-crude technology and the fragility of the props, this wasn't possible for the OT, but Lucas made up for that and took full advantage of the improved technology and effects available when the PT was filmed and released.

While I'm willing to concede that Rey wields a lightsaber just like her quarterstaff out of presumed familiarity with the latter, the fights in Episodes 7 & 8 seem un-choreographed, jerky, and all-around sloppy. A skilled duelist would be able to bisect Rey or Kylo easily.

Omg yes. That is one of the reasons Carrie signed on, that she wasn't just a damsel in distress. I'm pretty sure Leia had one of the highest rate of fire/accuracy ratings in the entire franchise.
With the exception of TRoS she always has a pistol on hand and she almost always hits her mark.
It shows that they didn't even watch Star Wars, Leia in ANH grabbed Luke's blaster and made a hole in the vents to escape 'Someone has to save our skins. Into the garbage chute, fly boy!'
Any regulars on the thread have probably seen my comments about female characters that are both attractive and kick-ass. This scene is probably the best example of what I'm talking about. In ANH, Princess Leia may look like the beautiful princess who needs to be rescued from the bad guy(tm), but she's hardly the the damsel in distress and shows she's not afraid to take charge when needed and appropriate. Similarly, she may have been captured by Jabba in RotJ and forced to wear skimpy clothing, but she wastes no time killing Jabba when the opportunity presents itself and subsequently helps Luke destroy Jabba's sail barge to make sure nothing like that happens again any time soon.

In the ST, we get women who are frumpy, bland, and seem rather passive or emotional. We see few, if any, take charge women except maybe Holdo who goes to the extreme in terms of asserting control. Once again, Disney seems to not realize characters with brains, brawn, and beauty in a single package can and do work with fans who won't and don't necessarily sexualize them.

So essentially all the new headless freaks in Disney Wars are dumb Wojak posts come to life?
I have to wonder how successful Disney has been with pandering to the LGBTetc community with these non-movie characters that are part of the alphabet soup, especially Soggy Boggy Toilet Man and his gay lover. I imagine the average fan would be indifferent about character gender/orientation, but this forced diversity can't always work as intended -- especially with headless or other mutated characters whose existence implies that gay characters are somehow lesser beings.

I dunno man, I think Mon Mothma never showing up or Ackbar literally having a background death is just as bad.
Mon Mothma was another example of a OT-era strong woman who didn't go overboard with her authority or gush about wokeness. Maybe that's why Disney ignored her. Ackbar's ST fate isn't surprising when one looks at how the other OT-era characters, especially male ones, fared in the newest films.

This is why even if you write organically, you lay out the beats and outline FIRST before you do this shit. That and don't tardpanic and interfere too much so long as you're on site regularly.
Even if Disney rejected the original outline/ideas for a ST, one would think they'd go to their story group and say something such as, "This outline doesn't work (for reasons). See what you can come up with that tells a story that can be told in three parts/films." The ST feels as if each film had its own outline separate from the others or no outline at all with everyone making up stuff on the fly.

How scary is it that there are amateur fan fiction authors who know enough to outline first then write whereas Disney can't even appear to outline its ideas well or at all?

Honestly, these shitty guide entrees regarding the knights don't really spoil anything and would've made more sense to have them released before the films came out. Instead they wait till the last minute.
if I recall, before the release of Star Wars Rebels S1:E1, there was an animated short and very brief character profiles of the new main characters on starwars dot com. Why something similar couldn't have happened for the movie characters, especially the Knights of Ren, is baffling.

It's almost as if the story groups for various media (books, comics, animated stuff, movies, etc.) don't communicate with each other or work in conjunction with each other to have a unified vision and presentation when it comes to SW content.

These are admittedly half baked ideas that I’m unsure would be good, but feel could improve the sequel trilogy.
Sadly, our half-baked ideas are infinitely better than the lack of ideas Disney has given SW fans. It's almost like they're on auto-pilot or just cranking out something akin to a stream of consciousness.

Article seems to suggest Disney could have left the scene in and got a higher age rating, but they caved and cut it. Very brave and stunning.
With as poorly as Episode IX has done so far, one wonders if Disney has cut the kiss out where it would be reviled or outright banned in an attempt to maximize its box office numbers in those locales. How will social media respond to the kiss largely being localized to US audiences? Will they still see it as woke and stunning, or will they call it out as a form of tokenizing?

Old authors have said they have no control and get paid no royalties due to original deals.
That really sucks for them :heart-empty:. I imagine they never foresaw anything like this happening, and it's a bit slimy to see Disney declare their work non-canon and subsequently recanonize their own interpretation of that work and pass it off as new content and avoid giving credit or royalties to the original people.
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Hollywood is now irrelevant. This complete risk-aversion and their attempts to monopolize distribution are exactly what is killing them at the moment. Movie theater attendance is in an almost 20-year lowpoint now, more movies fail than succeed, and China is increasingly laughing off the western market in favor of their own home-grown alternatives. They're trying to carve out niches by monopolizing the distribution platforms but that's not going to work when people have alternatives. Sooner or later, they're going to have to realize that actually making something people want pays more than endless rehashes and pandering woke garbage.
Between the streaming bubble, China pandering, and the tentpole strategy, it's no wonder that things aren't looking great for Hollywood of late. Doesn't help that China has made inroads into various studios too, very likely directly impacting what films get made and what gets put into them. If it truly is a bubble, I hope it bursts sooner rather than later, because no less than a shock that severe will serve as a wakeup call.

It's nice to see I wasn't the only one who didn't like Rogue One very much. In my case it was the fact that it openly stole a plot element from an existing story (because that's all Disney-Lucasfilm ever seems to do lately) and, as per tradition, executed it shittily because extensive gatekeeping by the big studios has resulted in a race to the bottom as far as talent goes.

The people snorting up Rogue One as awesome are almost never OT fans. They're usually PT fans. What happened is that as the whole of nerd-dom realized "hey, these movies are pretty terribly written," these PT fans were caught out in the shuffle, and when RLM's reviews came out, these poor fans got the shit bullied out of them by unremitting assholes in their own community - and you all know the kinds of assholes those were, because many of those communities have successful threads on this website now.

Basically these fans wound up with the mindset of Bob Chipman - hating that which they originally loved because they were socially pressured into it. They defend Rogue One because it's the least bad of the Disney Wars movies and because it's not socially acceptible for them to defend what they actually enjoy, which is bullshit - if you're a nerd you made peace with that being the price of doing what you love ages ago.
Agreed. Rogue One is least bad, but that doesn't make it good. It's a story that the EU dealt with multiple times already, just with a Diversity Squad replacing beloved characters like Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors. It introduces more plot holes than it supposedly solves, the CGI Tarkin and Leia are firmly planted in the uncanny valley, the Vader hallway fight at the end looked cool but made no sense, James Earl Jones noticeably sounded his age, and the rest of it was just a lot of "meh." It might be least bad, but I still have no desire to revisit it.

Fun fact that I'm shamelessly pulling from an RLM video: part of the reason they were even able to do the CGI Tarkin was because of the film Top Secret!. A mold of Peter Cushing's head was created in order to build a prosthesis for the movie, and it was then shelved in some warehouse for a couple decades. The Rogue One crew managed to track it down and use it to build the CGI Tarkin head in the movie.

So in a way, it's all Zucker, Abrahams, and Zucker's fault.
 
While the new Plan 9 Visual Dictionary is still getting shilled by nu-geek sites, which answers all the questions and plot holes the movie doesn't (which is fucking exceptional), it finally is starting to get some heat, at least from one news site that's not geek culture focused.
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I mean like seriously, a guide or book's role is to offer neat tidbits, facts and trivia about a film's story, behind the scenes production and its lore, not fill in plot holes, explain how the movie "just works" or tell us who these Knights of Ren fuckers are or why we should give a shit about awful characters like Rey. Hell the movie does absolutely nothing with that useless Jennah character. She's just there for no reason and in the dictionary its the only place where you'll find out that she's Lando's troon'd out son and why she had to be in the movie. I mean seriously, was the movie such a fucking mess they didn't even have time to add what should be a very important piece of info to one of the film's new main characters? Especially when said character is the only child of the original heroes left alive? The book is also the only place where you find out how Yellow Yoda got Luke's lightsaber and the answer is lame as all fucks. She just buys it from a miner at a flea market.

If you need an entire book to understand the film, then the film is an objective failure.

People who disagree with this are just plain incorrect.
 
It is so baffling what they chose and not to chose to reamain, canon.
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Baffling as Gormaanda (the four armed woman)was portrayed by a white man (Harvey Korman) in drag and black face. Disney was considering censoring the crows from dumbo yet they recanonzied this.

I think that's pretty easy to explain. There's no lore master or Holocron Keeper keeping track of what people decide they want to recanonize; I doubt Leland Chee has the same will or power to do that stuff anymore. Disney doesn't give a shit for the most part, they just let Lucasfilm do whatever they want, at least until KK shit the bed. After that, I dunno. Maybe nobody noticed Harvey Korman's doing black face in the Holiday Special, considering its such an obscure and hated piece of media.
 
this got me thinking - is there anything in the new trilogy that is actually 'cool' in the eyes of little boys?

i remember when i was a kid and the prequels were releasing, they were full of super cool shit. darth maul and his double light saber, the droidekas, count dooku's entire character, the sick space fight scene between obi wan and jango fett in that asteroid belt, the pod race, the massive battle of droids against clones at the end of episode 2, we all absolutely loved that shit.

now when i look a these sequel movies, i barely see anything that i woul have thought of as cool and awesome when i was a kid. kylo ren freezing the blaster shot at the beginning of TFA was pretty good, and if he had just kept on the mask for the entire movie and kept his mouth shut more then he would probably have been a cool villain like maul was, but he just turned out to be a whiny emo kid, and that's really unappealing.
I have a 7 year old and an 8 year old boy. The short answer is no- they liked the first trilogy, I didn’t bother trying with phantom menace et al cause they are long winded, and the rat wars? No even my Star Wars fanatic Darth Vader loving 8 year old thought the new AT-ATs looked stupid. They have both seen the newer LEGO sets and showed utter disdain and they are big into legos. The droids are stupid according to them and are no fun to play with (their friends have a BB-8 gathering dust in their room) so yea someone somewhere in rats marketing dept. should have their heads on a plate.
 
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