Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The Rise of Skywalker has currently grossed $433,540,627 from a $275 million dollar budget, which is still a bit less than what is necessary for it to so much as break even (assuming the "twice the budget" rule of thumb for breaking even in cinema, the marketing costs could easily make the requirements for breaking even much higher).
Note, that isn't strictly accurate.

1: The amount paid on this isn't true. The budget is somehow equal to the Last Jedi and less than The Force Awakens despite known massive reshoots? Bullshit.
2: Gross is not profit. Movie theaters take a cut, and international taxes apply. Assume, for the purposes of easy math, 50% of gross is profit.
 
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Your consoomer reporter in the field, love machine, reporting in. While I currently don't have a review to share with you guys. I would like to comment on the state of Japanese medium to high end figures for the star wars franchise. Especially second hand since you guys probably want to cut the mouse out.

It seems like people are purging a few of their collections, because currently you can pick up a lot of stuff second hand cheaper or at MSRP. There is also an bit of an influx of the slightly rarer stuff like some prequel figures and such. (also like the death trooper listed above.) So if you guys wanted to get a figure of your favorite star wars characters without the mouse getting his shekels, nows the time.
 
There's none, and the new merch doesn't sell.
Do you know why?

Back when the OT and PT was the new hotness, there was inspiration, there was energy and excitement. People who watched the movies would get invested and they'd want more of the universe, they'd want to have their own adventures, want to learn more about it, want to see what happened after the movies were over and what could happen on their own. There was tons to draw from. They could play with awesome, inspired toys, play some fantastic video games (that to this day stack up), and get more invested. The Phantom Menace may be one of the weaker movies but there was so much potential there that it won people over anyway. Cool ideas, great design, and a genuine desire to expand the series in fun ways led to a groundswell of good ideas to draw from. Even the PT at its worst was driven by a desire to do right by the franchise and it showed legitimate love.

There's none of that in the Sequel trilogy. The people Disney put in charge of Star Wars hate the property and hate its fandom. It shows. The characters they created are blank slates, empty and vapid. They care nothing for the universe, its canon, its possibilities. So they delete everything that doesn't conform to what they want to do and make sure every potential avenue for fun or excitement gets stomped flat. At launch of TFA, I knew there was a few fans of Kylo, BB8, Poe, and Finn, who liked what they offered and represented. Disney fucked them over hardest of all, and then hired people who intentionally tried to ruin the universe out of spite.

There's no soul in the ST. And like Mask de Smith said, "Kids are pure. They already know who the best is."
You’re right. Rian fucking Johnson caused this mess. He wrote JJ Abrams into a corner and he did the best he could to connect the bullshit spilt in episode VIII. Sony, Disney, Lucas, and Rian fucking Johnson should be publicly flogged. It didn’t help that Carrie Fisher died, but they shown no respect so far so why now? If it were a stand alone movie it may work. Why in fucking hell they didn’t go with the vast amount of extended universe lore is beyond me. Zahn wrote fantastic books with incredible foes like Thrawn who would have been worthy adversaries and this is what we got.

Ok, I’m sperging and I’m sure someone else has probably covered this. It’s Christmas and I’m drunk and a little bitter. Thanks for reading my mind vomit.
 
You’re right. Rian fucking Johnson caused this mess. He wrote JJ Abrams into a corner and he did the best he could to connect the bullshit spilt in episode VIII. Sony, Disney, Lucas, and Rian fucking Johnson should be publicly flogged. It didn’t help that Carrie Fisher died, but they shown no respect so far so why now? If it were a stand alone movie it may work. Why in fucking hell they didn’t go with the vast amount of extended universe lore is beyond me. Zahn wrote fantastic books with incredible foes like Thrawn who would have been worthy adversaries and this is what we got.

Ok, I’m sperging and I’m sure someone else has probably covered this. It’s Christmas and I’m drunk and a little bitter. Thanks for reading my mind vomit.
It's a shame JJ's best ain't very good.
 
You’re right. Rian fucking Johnson caused this mess. He wrote JJ Abrams into a corner and he did the best he could to connect the bullshit spilt in episode VIII. Sony, Disney, Lucas, and Rian fucking Johnson should be publicly flogged. It didn’t help that Carrie Fisher died, but they shown no respect so far so why now? If it were a stand alone movie it may work. Why in fucking hell they didn’t go with the vast amount of extended universe lore is beyond me. Zahn wrote fantastic books with incredible foes like Thrawn who would have been worthy adversaries and this is what we got.

Ok, I’m sperging and I’m sure someone else has probably covered this. It’s Christmas and I’m drunk and a little bitter. Thanks for reading my mind vomit.
George Lucas didn’t do anything aside from selling Star Wars to Disney and putting KK in charge. Aside from that, he kept getting rejected even when he tried to help out because the Story Group and KK hate Lucas and Star Wars
 
George Lucas didn’t do anything aside from selling Star Wars to Disney and putting KK in charge. Aside from that, he kept getting rejected even when he tried to help out because the Story Group and KK hate Lucas and Star Wars
True. And if I was offered 4 billion I’d probably have gone with it too. Also, Mark Hamill is on record saying he hated how Luke was being portrayed. Did the studio or Rian fucking Johnson give a fuck? Hell no.
 
Can i please be mad at the internet for a moment. Fuck I hate the mainstream media and SJWS. Disney Star wars has been shit from the beginning, absolute trash. But anytime anyone says anything slightly negative about them "OH you are an alt right nazi!" "Russian BOT!" "YOU HATE WOMEN!". Latest movie comes out. Most SJWs and most journalists are saying it is a bad movie........ I guess they will be called soviet droids then right? *crickets* No because now it is okay to dislike this movie because they dislike it.

Please tell me that 4Chan or Quarterpounder or some group is going to troll these fuckwits and call them nazis anytime they criticize rise of the Skywankers. I know liberals wouldn't have standards if they didn't have double standards but this really brings my piss to a boil after so many years of them shutting down any negative reviews.

I have not seen the movie but I fucking bet you it is no worse than any of the other fucked up dipshit fuck faced Disney Star wars movies. It can't be any worse, it can't get worse, yet this is somehow the movie where libfucks start complaining. GET FUCKED MOTHER FUCKERS, MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS YOU FILTHY FUCKING ANIMALS. TAKE YOUR FUCKING SOYNOG OUTSIDE AND GO JOLLY FUCK YOURSELFS.
 
Lord forgive me, for I saw this turd today.

I expected a 0/10, but I’m comfortable giving it a 1.5/10 for reasons I’ll explain below:

  1. I absolutely hated this movie, and I say this as a massive Star Wars nerd. The pacing sucked, the plot sucked, the score sucked, the dialogue sucked, the characters largely sucked, and-somehow- the extras fucking sucked. I could fill a page with plot holes, inconsistencies, and blatant hypocrisy.
  2. TRoS would have been pretty good IF it itself had been a trilogy combined with an abbreviated version of TFA.
  3. It made TLJ completely superfluous asides from being necessary for minor commentary.

I gave it 1 point for being better than TLJ and 0.5 because Emperor Palpatine’s dialogue was pretty decent besides I am all teh Sith and C3PO was actually a pretty good comic relief.

tldr the film sucked — the 5m Tenet commercial before the film started was more interesting.

You're part of the problem.
 
Some thoughts on how to salvage The Sequel trilogy if I had to go back in time and pistol whip JJ abrams, while still sticking to the general outline of the story, which were formulated over the past half hour with the aid of a few shots of christmas rum

TFA
1. Max Von Sydow isnt fucking wasted. He is a fairly important character as both Rey's adoptive grandparent figure and the leader of her settlement, and also a former Imperial Moff who knows important info on some secret contingency shit Palpatine ordered before he went to Endor, and this is why Kylo Ren and the First Order tracked him down to Jakku.

2. His abduction and the attack on his settlement takes place later in the first act, with Poe being a New Republic agent infiltrating scavangers who were unknowingly looking for said contingency and who are quickly taken down by the First Order at the beginning of the movie.

3. Jakku is basically Space Mad Max Australia and has been the site of cataclysmic battles from ancient times due to its strategic location, including the clone wars and the galactic civil war, and is populated by both offworld scavengers looking for loot and the remnants/descendants of Imperial forces who were abandoned by the collapsing empire, and thus it is more a wartorn planetwide junkyard than Tatooine 2.0

4. Phasma is shown both easily taking out some salvaged Droidekas the scavengers at the beginning were using to defend their base in order to actually give her some halfway badass credentials, and also being a genuinely caring officer to her troops with her acting as a surrogate parent to Finn in order to give his defection and their later animosity some actual weight

5. When Finn and Poe escape, they both stay together instead of Poe pointlessly vanishing for half the movie

6. Rey is depicted as a powerful force user who has spent her life using and honing her abilities without any guidance or direction, resulting in her "style" being brute force with zero finesse, and balancing unsteadily between the dark and light sides since she has only used her abilities for combat or to aid herself and her friends/family. Basically imagine if Broly had the force.

7. Since I am maintaining the "Mary Sue" outline for the character, Rey has Kylo Ren's janky looking cruciform lightsaber from the start of the movie, coloured a reddish orange to visually indicate the whole "unknowingly teetering on the edge of the dark side" thing, and looks like it is being held together by duct tape and gorilla glue. Its explained she created it herself from stolen/scavanged parts.

8. Alongside BB8 there is a "senile" old B1 Battledroid who serves as the C3P0 replacement and resident gun nut and occasionally accurate conspiracy theorist, who loudly introduces himself as "Rey's Nemesis" but winds up swept up in their escape from the planet and then just kinda tags along with them. Imagine a wannabe HK-47 with the mind of Dale Gribble from King of the Hill. Thus all of the dumb attempts at comedy in this trilogy can safely be contained in his character and not screw up the others.

9. The five new main characters escape the planet together on a new freighter designed for the sequel trilogy as the First Order glasses it from orbit , before they depart to locate what Von Sydow's character was trying to hide from them, which is on the regional New Republic capital world.

10. Rey is naturally rather upset her home and everyone she loved is now dead or captured, with some "Vader freaks out at the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Centre" style crushing of things in her immediate vicinity, and Poe who is familiar with the Jedi due to being a high level New Republic agent immediately realises he has a possible Anakin situation on his hands and decides that they need to bring her and the information he had to his immediate boss who is also a member of the New Jedi Council....who is on the same world that the First Order are preparing to attack unknown to them.

11. Lupita Nyong'o is not wasted as an insufferably useless mouldy orange alien. She is fully fledged Jedi Master and one of Luke's best students.

12. After realising how powerful yet unstable Rey is after some "light" sparring which resulted in a little too much destruction of property, Lupita's character immediately contacts Luke at his academy.

13. The First Order attack on the planet is entirely unexpected due to how suicidal it seemingly is for what is effectively Space ISIS to openly attack the New Republic which has been desperate for an excuse to tie up this last loose end for decades, and the main characters are focused around stopping them from digging up the secret shit palpatine buried there near the start of his reign as emperor, which turns out to be the Sith Dagger from TROS. They fail, although the larger attack is defeated by the arrival of the New Republic Fleet led by General Han Solo.

14. In scenes with the First Order, Kylo Ren is established to still be a Jedi, complete with Lukes old green saber, and still considers himself to be acting for the greater good of the galaxy which is what puts him at odds with General Hux who is a bloodthirsty fanatic. The incongruity of Lukes best student and nephew choosing to join the First Order while still considering himself a Jedi is noted by pretty much everyone involved. Its also revealed that the Sith Dagger is needed to awaken and activate Starkiller base.

15. At the end of the second act the general plotline of "The First Order are trying to build some superweapon on their home world, the New Republic fleet will attack it to draw their forces away while the Nu-Main characters sneak onboard and deactivate its defences using Finn's insider info and Poe's spy knowledge. Also at this point Han, Leia, a force projection of Luke, Chewie, 3P0, and R2 will share a scene together as they formulate a plan of attack and discuss how to bring Kylo back. It will be milked for all its worth with Rey only a silent and secret witness, having snuck in to find out what they were talking about.

16. The finale goes how I and a bunch other people here have suggested. The New Republic fleet gets utterly wrecked when the "backwater first order outpost world" turns out to be the starkiller base, which becomes partially activated and easily annihilates the fleet, before creating a gigantic wormhole to the galactic core which drags the heroes with it and it destroys Coruscant as they watch helplessly, and in the end the only "victory" the heroes have is that the new main characters are able to steal back the dagger before it can fully reactivate the station and its full force related capabilities, and Han Solo kamikazes the Falcon into its core to cripple it for long enough for the heroes and survivors of the system to escape.

17. The final lightsaber duel is Kylo Ren vs Lupita's character and Rey, with Finn and Poe showing up to help as the fight progresses. Kylo easily dominates the fight, seriously wounding Lupita's character and Rey only being able to hold her ground due to her OP yet untrained force abilities, but is steadily worn down and is only saved by Finn opening fire on Kylo with some heavy weapon shit, maybe a nu-AT-ST, distracting him for long enough for Rey to force yeet him far enough away for them to escape with the dagger.

18. The film ends with the republic fallen, the first order ascendant, Snoke despatching Kylo to retrieve the dagger, and Leia now leading a newly formed Resistance. Rey is contacted by a force projection of Luke and told to come to his academy on Dagobah.

Other thoughts for TFA/the wider trilogy
- Snoke is infact the first Jedi Master, who millennia beforehand had led an army of both jedi and sith against a sentient force fueled superweapon, the Starkiller, which had the capacity to poison the force itself and effectively exterminate all sentient life in the galaxy, and while they were unable to fully destroy it they were able to send it deep into hibernation after reaching its core and Snoke force-bonding with it's consciousness and effectively becoming the machine's jailor.

- Being joined to what is effectively a force supercomputer combined with his own insane power effectively made him omniscient and omnipresent, but utterly powerless to intervene as millenia of sith vs jedi galactic wars went by, with the Old Republic era empires being obliquely referenced as a few of many such sith empires to rise and fall over the course of history, steadily embittering him into resenting the force itself for perpetrating this cycle and slowly convincing him of the need to take full control of the galaxy and end this cylindrical conflict

- The reason that it wasn't destroyed then and there was because the ancient Jedi/Sith could forsee a time when the machine would be needed to fight an even greater and possibly sequel-sequel-trilogy level evil, thus Snoke turned the Sith Dagger of his fallen rival/ally who was the first Sith Lord into a key to reawaken the full might of the base should he personally deem it necessary, and it eventually made its way into the hands of Palpatine, who would attempt to awaken the base and bring it under his own control before the events of the Prequel trilogy, but would be very violently rejected by the still sleeping machine mind and its increasingly embittered warden.

- Said Sith Lord was "Darth Ren", with the "Darth" being his actual first name since he was the OG, and the "Knights of Ren" are the order of grey force users Snoke founded in memory of his friend.

- Thus Starkiller Base is either heavily hinted or outright stated to be the real reason Palpatine ordered the Death Stars and other superweapons be made, as his inability to take control of it combined with his vague knowledge of what dwelled within freaked him the fuck out and made him develop an active countermeasure that would also serve as a general intimidation tool. Its also suggested that this is partially why he wanted an apprentice like Anakin who was supposedly even stronger than him, as such a pawn could have been used in another attempt to forcibly take control of the weapon without endangering his own life.

- The reason Kylo Ren joined snoke was because Snoke, having sensed the threat to the galaxy drawing closer, decided to awaken the machine himself and use it to apply a galaxy wide Jedi Mind Trick and effectively create one giant hive mind under his direct control, which he could then use to defeat this threat while also ending the endless cycle of brutal sith led empires and fragile jedi supported republics that had pointlessly killed so many people over the millennia. First Snoke attempted to win over Luke to his side by showing him visions of the coming threat, but when that failed he instead focused on Ren who he was able to convince to join him in order to save his family from what was coming from beyond the edges galaxy.

- Incidentally the Vong are directly mentioned in this hypothetical Nu-Nu-EU as scattered refugees having appeared a few decades ago from the outer fringes fleeing something they called "The Hungering" that apparently devoured their own galaxy
Some good ideas, especially Kylo being a Jedi the entire time. I wouldn't blow up Coruscant, though, the Vong reshaping it was much cooler, and I wouldn't have Snoke be the first Jedi or have Darth be some guy's first name. It's just too goofy and over the top. I'd have him and the Knights of Ren be an understandable and also completely alien third option to the Jedi and Sith. Honestly, if we're doing a "malevolent and ancient evil" plot for the sequel trilogy, it should just be about Abeloth. You could include references to Mortis as well, maybe even have the Son appear.
 
Just watch the film last night.
Out of all the questions I have to ask, why is it when The Emperor regenerated himself, he revered back to his mutated form?
Not his original look before Mace deflected the lightning at him?

Other than that, the movie is forgettable.
They could of literally fixed TLJ's issues by making Snoke be a force projection that Kylo kills (Since even after Luke died the dice were still there).
Also, they could of made Luke vanish into the force itself, or a different realm. Introducing the Whills introduced in the Clone Wars cartoon(Since Luke's robot hand also disappeared).
> Fixes main villain problem [X]
> Fixes Luke's death [X]

Even if they wanted the Emperor as a "Main player", they could of did the old switcharoo and had Snoke pretending to be The Emperor till the final battle.
This film wasn't that fucking hard to fix.

Make Snoke Plagueis, Keep Luke alive, introduce Whills, Lightsaber fight with Luke and Snoke. Big twist that Snoke helped the emperor create Anakin, there by reinforcing the relationship of family between Rey and Kylo, instead of this incest shit.

I don't care what anyone says, TLJ having Luke as a grumpy old man was a cool concept. I just wish the whole movie was just that. Not the space casino/mad max in space.
 
I don't care what anyone says, TLJ having Luke as a grumpy old man was a cool concept. I just wish the whole movie was just that. Not the space casino/mad max in space.
I thought it was a godawful idea that's been overplayed in movies since the dawn of time for ages now, and at the very least it was written terribly. I am genuinely surprised that people wouldn't enjoy a Luke who is exactly like he is at the end of ROTJ, just wiser. He can still have flaws, it's not like Luke was perfect in ROTJ. Have him be too trusting, indecisive, unwilling to do what must be done, and maybe even have a bit of his old bluster and arrogance shine through. After all, he is Anakin's son. But he can still be Luke.
 
It was actually worse than The Last Jedi. I'm not surprised and I'm definitely not disappointed. I don't really feel like going into detail now, but one thing I will say is fuck Rian Johnson for keeping Leia alive and fuck JJ Abrams and Disney for pretending they were doing the character AND actor justice by not CGI-ing her the entire fucking movie despite all of her scenes feeling like she was dead and they were just reusing old audio and footage because her dialogue was awkward as shit and her acting rarely matched the fucking scenes she was in.
 
Also this thing was in IX.
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According to the IX dictionary, his species has no eyes, nose, ears or even a brain. Instead its main sensory organ and nerves are in its mouth, so its head is just one giant fanged mouth and it constantly needs to grin to be able to sense things. The machine over his mouth is used as a substitute for brain, eyes, and ears... These things are naturally born like this?
Without knowing this character's canon name, I'm going to dub him Captain Coffeepot since the thing on top of his head looks like the top part on the lid of a coffee pot. It seriously looks like someone punched them in the face or did something else horrific that removed the lower part of their face to produce the always-creepy, excessively toothy smile.

Does someone in the costume department have a fetish for brainless things? Or is this a metaphor for how Disney wishes its fans could be like?
I'm sure the brainless idea goes hand in hand with the "just consume" mentality we're seeing. As for fetishism, who knows? Nobody in costuming or character design would openly admit it lest they be unpersoned by Kathleen Kennedy, but it unfortunately can't be entirely ruled out. :cryblood:
 
If they were really going for the OT except it isn't schtick, they probably should have made Luke act more like Yoda. Someone with a sense of humor to help pull the stick out of Rei's ass while also being a wise and understanding mentor helping her as much as he can. Helps old audiences reconnect with him and maybe even help develop Rei into a more likable character.
 
There's none, and the new merch doesn't sell.
Do you know why?

Back when the OT and PT was the new hotness, there was inspiration, there was energy and excitement. People who watched the movies would get invested and they'd want more of the universe, they'd want to have their own adventures, want to learn more about it, want to see what happened after the movies were over and what could happen on their own. There was tons to draw from. They could play with awesome, inspired toys, play some fantastic video games (that to this day stack up), and get more invested. The Phantom Menace may be one of the weaker movies but there was so much potential there that it won people over anyway. Cool ideas, great design, and a genuine desire to expand the series in fun ways led to a groundswell of good ideas to draw from. Even the PT at its worst was driven by a desire to do right by the franchise and it showed legitimate love.
I mean, just look at Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor in TPM. Despite goofy hairstyles and costumes that largely consisted of draped, undyed linen and brown woolen bathrobes, they made it work. In fact, they radiated "cool," whether in the form of Obi-Wan's ironic amusement at the madness transpiring all around him or Qui-Gon's invulnerable aura of purposeful serenity that carried him majestically from one scene to the next (the lightsabers didn't hurt, of course, but as we've seen with Ridley and Driver, lightsabers don't help much if you don't look like you know how to use them).

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Your consoomer reporter in the field, love machine, reporting in. While I currently don't have a review to share with you guys. I would like to comment on the state of Japanese medium to high end figures for the star wars franchise. Especially second hand since you guys probably want to cut the mouse out.

It seems like people are purging a few of their collections, because currently you can pick up a lot of stuff second hand cheaper or at MSRP. There is also an bit of an influx of the slightly rarer stuff like some prequel figures and such. (also like the death trooper listed above.) So if you guys wanted to get a figure of your favorite star wars characters without the mouse getting his shekels, nows the time.
Gonna stick with the Black Series. I just can't get past the "La-La-La I'm a Gundam" look that so many Japanese figures seem to end up with.

Can i please be mad at the internet for a moment. Fuck I hate the mainstream media and SJWS. Disney Star wars has been shit from the beginning, absolute trash. But anytime anyone says anything slightly negative about them "OH you are an alt right nazi!" "Russian BOT!" "YOU HATE WOMEN!". Latest movie comes out. Most SJWs and most journalists are saying it is a bad movie........ I guess they will be called soviet droids then right? *crickets* No because now it is okay to dislike this movie because they dislike it.

Please tell me that 4Chan or Quarterpounder or some group is going to troll these fuckwits and call them nazis anytime they criticize rise of the Skywankers. I know liberals wouldn't have standards if they didn't have double standards but this really brings my piss to a boil after so many years of them shutting down any negative reviews.
Speaking of, anyone else seen Jenny Nicholson's latest? I think she may be starting to lose it...

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I mean, just look at Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor in TPM. Despite goofy hairstyles and costumes that largely consisted of draped, undyed linen and brown woolen bathrobes, they made it work. In fact, they radiated "cool," whether in the form of Obi-Wan's ironic amusement at the madness transpiring all around him or Qui-Gon's invulnerable aura of purposeful serenity that carried him majestically from one scene to the next (the lightsabers didn't hurt, of course, but as we've seen with Ridley and Driver, lightsabers don't help much if you don't look like you know how to use them).

Gonna stick with the Black Series. I just can't get past the "La-La-La I'm a Gundam" look that so many Japanese figures seem to end up with.

Speaking of, anyone else seen Jenny Nicholson's latest? I think she may be starting to lose it...

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So that's why she's a Disney Star Wars shill. She was literally produced by Kathleen Kennedy
 
I don't care what anyone says, TLJ having Luke as a grumpy old man was a cool concept.
If it was just a mood, maybe. But they made it his entire personality. They rewrote his fully-formed personality traits in order to service the plot. When your "cool concept" requires you to do a 180 on an established character's personality, you have to lose the concept, no matter how much you like it. I think they call that "killing your darlings."
 
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@King Dead

I think of Rogue One was an in-universe Rebel Propaganda film. They can't acknowledge the actions of Kyle Katarn, so they borrowed the story of another black-ops team who died on mission, and gave them credit for stealing the plans.

Rogue One was a decent movie that was stitched together from scenes from looked like it would have been a better movie.
The characters had actual arcs. Good space battle action. Also K2-SO. It was 100% memberberries (and when it wasn't, it was pretty much garbage) but it was at least Disney not shitting over everything that came before when doing them.
until the very fucking end. That was a terrible fucking ending to go literally right in ANH.
I really wish they would have went with how they got the second Death Star plans. Katarn was amazing and there was zero point in shitting on him rather than adapting him beyond Strong Female Lead.

Looking forward to downloading and replaying the series.
 
@Jaimas
@fuckass
@King Dead

I think of Rogue One was an in-universe Rebel Propaganda film. They can't acknowledge the actions of Kyle Katarn, so they borrowed the story of another black-ops team who died on mission, and gave them credit for stealing the plans.

Rogue One was a decent movie that was stitched together from scenes from looked like it would have been a better movie.
The characters had actual arcs. Good space battle action. Also K2-SO. It was 100% memberberries (and when it wasn't, it was pretty much garbage) but it was at least Disney not shitting over everything that came before when doing them.
until the very fucking end. That was a terrible fucking ending to go literally right in ANH.

Re: Uncanny Digital Zombies, that was supposedly a decision forced on the movie. Disney wanted to demo their digi-zombie face technology, and Rogue One was the test bed. It was perfect: you have fully-dead (with sizable film & photograph) library Cushing, and you have "Not Dead Yet, just aged by Coke & Heroin" Fisher. Cushing lets you demo bringing back iconic actors, Fisher lets you see how it works on someone still alive but too old to reprise a role.
You haven't seen it since, so audience reaction was pretty fucking clear it wasn't ready.


The Vader fight at the end was fucking cool & well done start to finish, but, agreed, made almost zero sense. (Honestly it would have been more Vader to see him strolling down the center of the hall, but this time at the head of the troopers, and never stopping - deflecting blasters and force-throwing bitches like its a lazy sunday, but I'm not made with the scene, when you watch it in isolation).
To be honest the Vader fight at the end was the only really worthwhile part of the film for me, being a giant Vader fanboy. But the whole "This completely reasonable ventilation shaft was ACSHULLY an intentional act of sabotage to let the Rebels win!" plotline just insulted my intelligence. No, of course the only reason they'd put a ventilation shaft into the side of a space station powered by a reactor as powerful as a small star was sabotage, it totally wasn't an understandable design decision.
 
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