Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

It looks like she’s struggling to have anyone buy her garbage anymore. She was so excited to go to this EDS clinic in hopes that they would validate her delusions, but she was referred to a psychiatrist instead. And threw a tantrum.

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Wait, she was referred to a psychiatrist by a psychiatrist? Did the first one fire her, finding her too crazy for his liking? Can you imagine waiting three years to get an appointment at this place, only to find out that the doctor is a psychiatrist, not a rheumatologist, and then the psychiatrist says, " you sure are upset! I think you should see a psychiatrist... "
 
Wait, she was referred to a psychiatrist by a psychiatrist? Did the first one fire her, finding her too crazy for his liking? Can you imagine waiting three years to get an appointment at this place, only to find out that the doctor is a psychiatrist, not a rheumatologist, and then the psychiatrist says, " you sure are upset! I think you should see a psychiatrist... "

Sounds like she tried to get a referral to the EDS clinic from a psychiatrist (or possibly a GP) but they are pretty damned positive she doesn't have EDS and they referred her to a different psychiatrist who specializes in health anxiety/Munchie histrionics instead (or maybe they did refer her to the EDS clinic and they're the ones who bounced her there). It's hard to understand what she's trying to say but that was the best I could make of it. For those who are unaware you can't really self-refer to specialists in Ontario with a few exceptions for addiction treatment and some mental health type stuff. Usually you get referred from your GP (that's a good chunk of what they're there for) but it isn't unusual for a psychiatrist to refer you to another program run by a different psychiatrist that specializes in certain issues (like eating disorders, OCD, BPD, etc)
 
For those who are unaware you can't really self-refer to specialists in Ontario with a few exceptions for addiction treatment and some mental health type stuff. Usually you get referred from your GP (that's a good chunk of what they're there for) but it isn't unusual for a psychiatrist to refer you to another program run by a different psychiatrist that specializes in certain issues (like eating disorders, OCD, BPD, etc)

I've been waiting for an example of a Canadian munchie getting the smackdown from the public health system. They try to pick up on all the tricks from fellow online munchies, completely unaware that American medicine is a whole different ballgame. When you're paying, there's always an unscrupulous quack who will install unnecessary tubes. But overburdened docs in a public system aren't going to waste taxpayer dollars indulging these headcases. They have other patients with real problems on wait lists for treatments. GPs are effective gatekeepers, and keep munchies and hypochondriacs from wasting the valuable specialist resources.
 
Before anyone knew what hEDS/POTS/MCAS were, plenty of people spent years without a diagnosis, and simply managed their symptoms. A diagnosis of hEDS does nothing but explain symptoms, it doesn’t really *do* anything (in no small part because of all the 20-something munchies). It is really great to see some of the munchieland crowd getting pushback from medical professionals; I’d love to see Anelise/Tina’s doctors do the same.

It looks like she’s struggling to have anyone buy her garbage anymore. She was so excited to go to this EDS clinic in hopes that they would validate her delusions, but she was referred to a psychiatrist instead. And threw a tantrum.

Imagine being so oblivious to the fact that the problem isn’t the doctors, it’s YOU. View attachment 1065279
 
That moment when you realize that your boring but unfakeable condishuns are not likely to inspire medical neglect. But really, how many people genuinely have those three issues at once? I would hate to know that there are people out there with the "deadly triad" for real who won't be taken seriously. Munchies already ruined fibromyalgia, and now they seem to be coming for eds and pots, but I assume that the GP would be difficult to fake.

I’m not sure how common it is IRL but they are actual co-morbidities and do occur at the same time. Obviously online you see a lot more people with EDS/POTS/GP than you would in the real world. I don’t think the diagnosis changes anything. You are still treating the symptoms regardless. Yes, it makes you/the patient feel validated to have a name but there’s not a miracle cure attached to it. These munchies are just making actual patients look bad.
 
That moment when you realize that your boring but unfakeable condishuns are not likely to inspire medical neglect. But really, how many people genuinely have those three issues at once? I would hate to know that there are people out there with the "deadly triad" for real who won't be taken seriously. Munchies already ruined fibromyalgia, and now they seem to be coming for eds and pots, but I assume that the GP would be difficult to fake.
Research is being conducted into this at the moment. It varies depending on type but off the top of my head, at least 20 percent of people with Hypermobile EDS have all three of the triad. There is a spectrum of severity, but in general, most people are managed well with immunotherapy, medications, pacing one’s life and PT with dynamic bracing. Most people with EDS also don’t start thinking about mobility assistance until 40’s-50’s unless they have another Comorbidity like spinal cord injury or repetive sports injuries to knees, etc.
 
I've been waiting for an example of a Canadian munchie getting the smackdown from the public health system. They try to pick up on all the tricks from fellow online munchies, completely unaware that American medicine is a whole different ballgame. When you're paying, there's always an unscrupulous quack who will install unnecessary tubes. But overburdened docs in a public system aren't going to waste taxpayer dollars indulging these headcases. They have other patients with real problems on wait lists for treatments. GPs are effective gatekeepers, and keep munchies and hypochondriacs from wasting the valuable specialist resources.

I’m shocked she’s gotten as far as she has, but now that her specialists have refused to provide her with more tests, all of a sudden it’s the evil Canadian healthcare system’s fault! As if showing up to an appointment with your neurologist while sporting a neck brace should be enough to warrant multiple MRIs on the taxpayers’ dime.

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According to her count, she was denied a referral to pain management “37 times” by her GP. I wonder if he figured that playing into her delusions may help.

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She’s so full of it that she can’t even keep her story straight either. Earlier today, she allegedly lost 38 pounds since her last hospitalization in October. An hour ago, she’s lost 30 pounds since January (145-115). Talk about “malnourished”.

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I’m shocked she’s gotten as far as she has, but now that her specialists have refused to provide her with more tests, all of a sudden it’s the evil Canadian healthcare system’s fault! As if showing up to an appointment with your neurologist while sporting a neck brace should be enough to warrant multiple MRIs on the taxpayers’ dime.


According to her count, she was denied a referral to pain management “37 times” by her GP. I wonder if he figured that playing into her delusions may help.


She’s so full of it that she can’t even keep her story straight either. Earlier today, she allegedly lost 38 pounds since her last hospitalization in October. An hour ago, she’s lost 30 pounds since January (145-115). Talk about “malnourished”.


I somehow feel dumber after reading all her ramblings.
 
I’m not sure how common it is IRL but they are actual co-morbidities and do occur at the same time. Obviously online you see a lot more people with EDS/POTS/GP than you would in the real world. I don’t think the diagnosis changes anything. You are still treating the symptoms regardless. Yes, it makes you/the patient feel validated to have a name but there’s not a miracle cure attached to it. These munchies are just making actual patients look bad.

Hypermobility, dysautonomia (POTS/EDS) and psychiatric disorders (including perhaps increased incidence of psychiatric disorders in the patient's siblings) are all linked. Based on demographic data.

I have no idea what the mechanism could be, but that crazy copper-eating psychiatrist was probably on to something. Too bad she stared too deeply into the abyss.
 
Hypermobility, dysautonomia (POTS/EDS) and psychiatric disorders (including perhaps increased incidence of psychiatric disorders in the patient's siblings) are all linked. Based on demographic data.

I have no idea what the mechanism could be, but that crazy copper-eating psychiatrist was probably on to something. Too bad she stared too deeply into the abyss.
The theories surrounding the links to EDS and psychiatric disorders are the link to brain shrinkage in those who have chronic pain, dysautomnia which can cause a 40 percent reduction in blood flow to the brain while standing as well as hypoglycemia and differences in amygdala size in those with EDS, vitamin deficiency linked depression and anxiety, as well as theory that Inflammatory processes from mast cell disorders and whatnot may “turn on” genes for hereditary mental illnesses. Also, the link between gut health and mental illness is becoming more researched and it makes sense that someone with thinner, more fragile tissue in the gut would experience more permeability and leakage.

Another case study I’ve seen was on a person who had been treated with certain medications which were not processed well due to cytochrome p450 enzyme genetics. This person had hallucinations and delusions due to accumulation of toxins from the medication. People with EDS are not more likely to have a variance in cytochrome p450 chromosomes at least according to currently available research, but more likely to encounter issues as they are more likely to need medication at an earlier age and more frequently due to symptom management.

This obviously assumes the person does indeed have EDS.
 
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I’m shocked she’s gotten as far as she has, but now that her specialists have refused to provide her with more tests, all of a sudden it’s the evil Canadian healthcare system’s fault! As if showing up to an appointment with your neurologist while sporting a neck brace should be enough to warrant multiple MRIs on the taxpayers’ dime.


According to her count, she was denied a referral to pain management “37 times” by her GP. I wonder if he figured that playing into her delusions may help.





She’s so full of it that she can’t even keep her story straight either. Earlier today, she allegedly lost 38 pounds since her last hospitalization in October. An hour ago, she’s lost 30 pounds since January (145-115). Talk about “malnourished”.

Weirdest trifecta so far:
1. Canadian munchie
2. Cosplayer
3. Medical fetish between her and her partner

So how much of her desire to have everything is affected by the later 2? Does she want to be the sickest little fairy to make her boyfriend horny or is life just one big cosplay?
 
Loeys-Dietz was coined and defined as a disorder in 2005. Any doctor prior in med school from about 2010 to 2012 most likely never even learned about it. Genetics, cardio and vascular are the most likely specialist to have possibly learned about it for CME.

Well hey that's the same time period where we learned about opioid medication leading to adrenal insufficiency which is also a CME now.

Also the high risk of sudden AAA in Loeys-Dietz should scare the shit out of you and realign you towards spending time with friends and family and not Instagram.
 
Weirdest trifecta so far:
1. Canadian munchie
2. Cosplayer
3. Medical fetish between her and her partner

So how much of her desire to have everything is affected by the later 2? Does she want to be the sickest little fairy to make her boyfriend horny or is life just one big cosplay?

Well, I mean she has literally fucking cosplayed EDS,

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