Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

#RoseTicoDeservedBetter is now trending a bit on shill Twitter with about 2700 retweets and rising...
View attachment 1068062
Looks like Klaud-sama needs to crash this party. Seriously though, Rose/Kelly being reduced to just a background filler for this film is going to piss off even the woke side of Disney's fanbase. I hope more shit continues to hit the fan.

Honestly I sort of agree with the hashtag on principle because Rose could've been a good character cause the first scene she was in set her up like some sort of fangirl type of character but Johnson just turned her into an annoying selfish idiot which was a shame to a character that could've been fun.
 
Now that I think about it, Finn sacrificing himself in the 2nd movie woulda made the overall story more interesting.

It woulda completed his arc, everyone would deal with the fallout and grief of his passing in episode 9, he doesn't do anything in episode 9 either so the team wouldn't be missing anything, Rose would have been a more likeable character than she is now and could have taken his place on the core team, she could have an arc about moving on.

I'd want Disney to hire me, but they'd most likely ignore all my good ideas and manage to turn the internet against me.
 
Honestly I sort of agree with the hashtag on principle because Rose could've been a good character cause the first scene she was in set her up like some sort of fangirl type of character but Johnson just turned her into an annoying selfish idiot which was a shame to a character that could've been fun.
I don't think Rose deserved better. She was an awful fictional character that didn't need to exist, much like the Disney films, but Kelly Marie Tran did deserve better (even if she could be a cunt and used SJW talking points to defend Disney). And the way Abrams just pushes her into the background instead of at least trying to make her look nice and show off some acting for the sake of her future career is pretty shameful, but then again he couldn't make anything in this trainwreck look nice or worthwhile with all the money in the world. The hashtag should be #KellyDeservedBetter because honestly she might be screwed after this and Rose only worsened her image. It also doesn't help that drama surrounding her social media was a questionable mess that was overblown by Disney for pity points and in the end even Boyega questions how things were handled.
 
Last edited:
Now that I think about it, Finn sacrificing himself in the 2nd movie woulda made the overall story more interesting.

It woulda completed his arc, everyone would deal with the fallout and grief of his passing in episode 9, he doesn't do anything in episode 9 either so the team wouldn't be missing anything, Rose would have been a more likeable character than she is now and could have taken his place on the core team, she could have an arc about moving on.

I'd want Disney to hire me, but they'd most likely ignore all my good ideas and manage to turn the internet against me.
I would have prefered if somehow Rose took Finn's place in the sacrifice when she slammed into him. It would at least show she displayed the same type of loyalty her sister did and it would be a good way to show her love for Finn.

Meh at this point you might as well quit trying with Disney. There is no point in thinking of "better" versions because it simply doesnt matter anymore. SW is dead and it will never go back at being the 1/4 of the cultural landmark it used to be. Im slowly learning to let go and focus on creating my own original material with some inspiration from the pre-disney star wars.
 
Last edited:
I don't think Rose deserved better. She was an awful fictional character that didn't need to exist, much the Disney films, but Kelly Marie Tran did deserve better. And the way Abrams just pushes her into the background instead of at least trying to make her look nice or make her existence worthwhile is pretty shameful, but then again he couldn't make anything in this trainwreck look nice or worthwhile with all the money in the world. The hashtag should be #KellyDeservedBetter because honestly she might be screwed after this and Rose only worsened her image. It also doesn't help that drama surrounding her social media was a questionable mess that was overblown by Disney for pity points and in the end even Boyega questions how things were handled.
Pretty much my statement honestly applied to the actress more because she actually is a good actor as I saw her in some comedy videos before, but Rian had to make her play a character that really doesn't adhere to her strengths as an actor and now autists will associate her with Rose thinking both are the same, and as you said it didn't help when Disney tried to use the social media drama for pity points.
 
Meh at this point you might as well quite trying with Disney. There is no point in thinking of "better" versions because it simply doesnt matter anymore. SW is dead and it will never go back at being the 1/4 of the cultural landmark it used to be. Im slowly learning to let go and focus on creating my own original material with some inspiration from the pre-disney star wars.

You're so right. Last night that damned commercial for United Airlines (because it's a "lifestyle brand") showing their SW airplane, where the controller with flashlight batons suddenly has lightsabers and jumps over an A-Wing like Rey (wow that was hard to type without losing consciousness) came on, and of course it features the iconic "Force theme."

My daughter said, "well, at least we can still enjoy that iconic music," --because I have raised her right--and I said, "No, no we can't." Because it's gone from iconic to a pandering, withered cliche in just the last few years. I'm not entirely sure that Star Wars will ever recover, but it will certainly take me several years of re-immersion in the OT/EU to recover.
 
Looks like James Rolfe decided to weigh in with another problematic review. Its mostly negative and the overall gist is that he says ROTJ should've been the only cinematic conclusion to Star Wars.

God damn it, I know James aint perfect and he has his own flaws, but I dare say he is still one of the few internet reviewers whom's opinion I still care. I still watch his content and stuff like him telling the GB 2016 movie to go fuck itself and that the whole disney trilogy is pointless (and they should have stopped at ROTJ in the movies) are the reasons why. He earns it.


Oh and the fact he actually has a wife and children while most other reviewers (especialy those from Channel Awesome) are lonely nobodies because no one actually stands them behind the cameras enough to start a family.
 
Give credit where it's due. Lucasfilm did something right.
Screenshot_20191226-142833.jpg
 
Give credit where it's due. Lucasfilm did something right.
View attachment 1068296
It'd be touching tribute if it weren't calculated public relations move.
 
Saw it yesterday. Overall I did like it, but I can see why people don't like it.

-I don't like what they did with Hux. Him helping the Resistance to spite Kylo could've been really interesting (and pretty on brand for him), but they just killed him off right afterwards. They should've gotten rid of the older guy and just had Hux take over his role instead. It would've been interesting if Hux sided with the Resistance only to just take over and exploit them for power. He had a lot of potential as a character that was completely wasted.

-The pacing was iffy. There was way too much shit crammed into one movie. I think they should've either cut some of that shit out, or made it two movies. More time should've been spent on character interaction and development.

That said I did like seeing Rey's dark side explored and Ben/Kylo's redemption was the biggest thing I wanted. Those scenes made me cry like a little bitch. I can see why people are mad Rey took the Skywalker name, but I can see why she did it as a way to completely reject her lineage and instead embrace her chosen family (and possibly also reflect that she and Ben are soulmates).

I don't think those lightsabers are gonna stay buried though, nor do I think the Skywalkers are gone for good. You know the mouse loves money and is only gonna end this shit when it stops making money.

The SJW tears continue to sustain me as well. I love how they think Disney was gonna cater to their personal tastes and ships and isnt a soulless megacorporation that only cares about money :story:
 
It'd be touching tribute if it weren't calculated public relations move.

Thats the sad thing. Companies dont see lives, only data and numbers to be used. The guy is a hero but those cold charts, morality is null, the shooter and the hero are both the same. They only see the situation to make themselves SEEM human, when they truly arent.
 
Give credit where it's due. Lucasfilm did something right.
View attachment 1068296
That reminds me of the one kid that died in Columbine who was a huge Star Wars fan. He was stoked to see Episode 1 and was planning on attending the SW Celebration that year. Fans ended up donating $30,000 to his family, and I'm pretty sure Lucasfilm hooked his family up with seeing the movie early.
 
I recently, finally, saw one of the Fallen Order ads after looking at some reimagined star wars scenes. It's appalling that they've gone full 'memberberries in pretty much every aspect concerning any media, because not only do we get a brief glimpse of Vader, we get Cal's nualien pilot going "HEH, KID THINKS WE'RE BACK IN THE CLONE WARS"

"'member clone wars guys? 'MEMBER IT? YOU FUCKING NERDS LIKED THAT SHIT, RIGHT?"
I wouldn't be surprised if there were mandates in place concerning the larger mythos, but that's ultimately just hearsay without proof, but it fucking reeks of it, at least.
 
I'm awake again and completely baffled by what I think I remember watching last night. Did they really just do a brazen remake of the entire ending sequence of RotJ? Was there really no explanation why Palpatine survived? What was with all the dropped plot points they forgot about halfway through the movie and is Lando really going to fuck his daughter?

edit: Also, I kept expecting to see David Tennant come running out of a blue police box during the entire Burning Man sequence.
 
Last edited:
I recently, finally, saw one of the Fallen Order ads after looking at some reimagined star wars scenes. It's appalling that they've gone full 'memberberries in pretty much every aspect concerning any media, because not only do we get a brief glimpse of Vader, we get Cal's nualien pilot going "HEH, KID THINKS WE'RE BACK IN THE CLONE WARS"

"'member clone wars guys? 'MEMBER IT? YOU FUCKING NERDS LIKED THAT SHIT, RIGHT?"
I wouldn't be surprised if there were mandates in place concerning the larger mythos, but that's ultimately just hearsay without proof, but it fucking reeks of it, at least.

"I will try nostalgia baiting, that's a good trick!"
 
I had a very interesting discussion with an old friend of mine, a religious scholar, and she had a very interesting take on the ST. Her belief was one very different than proposals I've heard here as to why the ST was made the way it was, but there's parts of her theory that jumped out at me as chillingly accurate - so much so that I had to bring it up here.

At the core, her argument was that while Star Wars itself is for the most part non-secular, it teaches valuable lessons that are timeless, and, much like the Three Virtues in Ultima, can easily be used as the basis for a sense of morality - a good one - that goes beyond the movie itself. That's what makes these movies so enduring: the stories they cover and the underlying themes in them are so good. Every single major character in the OT (and even the PT) that has a coherent character arc also teaches lessons to the viewer in the process as part of the storytelling. By any accounting, there's absolutely nothing objectionable in any of this.

....Unless you're a progressive utopian trying to usher in the glorious superior future, that is.

Many of the re-occurring themes in Star Wars are very straightforward: Don't take the easy way, because you'll suffer for it. Hard work and perseverance will carry you farther than you'd ever think. You can help people become better than they were just by being their friend and rubbing off on them. It's important to be brave. If you lose yourself in anger or fear, you'll lose sight of what's important. You can become more than what you were before, if you will yourself to it. Even the brightest prodigy may have a dark spot they are not proud of, and even most despicable person may be redeemable. Sometimes a little hope can go a long way.

Now note how these are directly the opposite of Progressive orthodoxy: The easy way is good. Hard work is for suckers. Fuck everyone else, you're the important one. You should be angry and afraid all the time, of everything, and ready to go completely off the chain based upon that anger and fear. You have no meaningful agency in your own life, so give up and revel in helplessness. Anyone guilty of original sin is forevermore guilty and irredeemably evil, except for those at the top of the progressive stack, who can do no wrong. We are all fucked if you don't do exactly what we want.

Her argument is thus that the ST was specifically intended to undermine and destroy Star Wars entirely because these simple values pose an existential threat to the Progressive world-view, which is already on the decline. It certainly explains their hatred of the fandom. If they'd just made terrible movies, but didn't do what they did in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, they'd just be one more piece of shitty Star Wars content in an ongoing landfill, ignored by the fandom entirely. The franchise endured worse in the past. That's not what they did. They went out of their way to unmake the previous movies. To destroy the messages and characters of old. You can't have someone who essentially became a hero from nothing and accomplished things on his own merits in current year, especially when the hero that accomplished this was a white male. Ergo, they turn one of the most optimistic, idealistic, beloved characters in a generation into a grumpy, vicious, murderous old hobo and without any payoff, and then gave him a meaningless death.

Kathleen Kennedy has made zero bones about her fucking hatred of the original fandom, as well as her progressive bonafides on Social Media, and if there's anything more autistic than the House of Mouse, it's the progressives and the entire pathological need for vindication. While I don't know if I fully buy it, this theory does, if truthful, makes a great deal of sense.
 
You're so right. Last night that damned commercial for United Airlines (because it's a "lifestyle brand") showing their SW airplane, where the controller with flashlight batons suddenly has lightsabers and jumps over an A-Wing like Rey (wow that was hard to type without losing consciousness) came on, and of course it features the iconic "Force theme."

My daughter said, "well, at least we can still enjoy that iconic music," --because I have raised her right--and I said, "No, no we can't." Because it's gone from iconic to a pandering, withered cliche in just the last few years. I'm not entirely sure that Star Wars will ever recover, but it will certainly take me several years of re-immersion in the OT/EU to recover.
I can still enjoy the music, just not in anything Disney makes. At this point I'm convinced that fans actually make better content than Disney does.
Consider how lackluster all of John Williams' pieces for the recent movies have been. He's phoning it in and we can tell. I don't think he cares about the music anymore because he's done and redone the shit so many times that certainly the spark must be gone.
But the fans still have passion and it shows.
Here's a piece called "Dark Side Themes Reimagined" by an artist named Daniel Ciurlizza that is, quite frankly, the best piece of Star Wars music I've heard since Duel of the Fates.
It's kind of an odd mixture really, with the intro evoking feelings of mourning and pain, and the song gradually builds up to what I can only describe as rage in pure music form with a Star Wars twist.
More than anything I associate this with Anakin and his fall. The pain of losing Padme, his turn to the Dark Side and service to the Emperor, his wrathful campaign of genocide and death across the Galaxy, and his overwhelming, all-consuming loneliness.

If Disney was smart at all, they would have picked this up and crammed it into one of their movies because it's so distinctive and great. Like, I haven't remembered any of the music from the sequel trilogy but this song stuck in my head so hard that I don't think I'll ever forget it.
 
Last edited:
I'm also sick of characters just fading away or dying for no apparent reason. It worked with Obi-Wan in ANH. It was stupid when Padme "gave up" and died in the prequels. Now half the main cast fades away in these movies because they wrote themselves into corners. I also didn't even realize Rey was supposed to be dead for a few minutes because she had no obvious injuries.
 
Back