Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I just watched the season finale of Mando. That 40 minute episode was better than the entirety of ROS.
Better than anything in the entirety of the Sequel trilogy or the prequels for that matter...

I'm getting the feeling Boba Fett is coming back at some point.

I don't have a problem with it, as long as they do something interesting with him. Since, he is kinda of a nothing character.

But Temeura Morrison is like the perfect age for old Boba Fett.

I would adore it if they referenced, "The Wild Bunch" with the character. That is. a guy who was clearly a villanious person who does a moral act. He dies going out a hero/badass...
 
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You know which character I hope Disney never gets their hands on?

Durge.
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He was pretty damn awesome, and, dare I say it, even cooler than Boba Fett.
The scary thing is that Filoni and Gilroy (Gilroy being the writer of some of the weaker and unnecessary Filoni Wars and Rebels episodes) actually wanted to bring him back for Filoni Wars and Rebels, wanting to make him a human and completely change everything about him except his armor, effectively retconning Genndy's work even more and one of Kenobi's coolest fights. Thankfully that was dropped and instead they made Cad Bane who proved to be a good original character by himself without having to completely butcher Durge. Also why make him human? I understand that maybe making him a gen'dai would be difficult to animate, but he hardly ever used his monstrous gen'dai form for combat, instead just relying on regeneration and regular humanoid combat and blasters.
 
Found another IX alien entry.
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Its called a Zyklonian Cyclorrians. Its essentially a fly crossed with a goblin who has to wear a scent mask for no reason. According to the book these things exist as a hivemind and entire swarms are part of the Resistance now... I guess that's where they got all those last minute reinforcements from nowhere...? Which is never stated in the actual movie...

I saw this thing in the actual movie! I think it's at the end, during the donut-steal Endor celebration scene.....I remember thinking, "damn, the Resistance needs to spray...."
 
Unlikely, but it would be pretty fucking great if(when Kennedy is gone and guard change), Disney does a Disney + series with Rey.

At the end of it, She gets her head chopped off and baby Yoda takes over as vanguard of the Jedi....
A nice thing to dream about but highly unlikely that they would kill off Rey since it would just result in bad press for them which might affect stocks/investors. Best thing you could hope for is for them to just retcon Disney shit and maybe keep the Mandalorian and put it in its own new separate continuity or the old one (I mean heck it feels more like an EU property than a Disney property but with shitty sequel references hammed in like those fucking nu-aliens and Canto Bight), and dismiss any sequel references as being completely different from shit in the sequels or just edit them out in re-releases, although recent sequel references are getting pretty heavy-handed. Also the presence of the Darksaber bothers me a bit. Is Filoni just going to keep forcing this thing into every project he makes? It doesn't help that its not a particular favorite weapon of mine since it wasn't even something Filoni wanted to do and George just forced him to make it a lightsaber despite that Filoni wanted to make it cortosis. Is this the first red flag of Filoni adding the usual Filoni cameos like Ahsoka, Hondo, Rex and whatnot? That kind of shit only helps to make shit feel incredibly small. Only character that might fit with the mandalorian is Hondo, but the character has been so overused and is literally in everything Disney except the Disney Trilogy so how many more places can he fucking be in? Even in the DT, despite not being in it, his flag appears on Yellow Yoda's castle, so you know he's partly involved with that shit and he's part of the Resistance according to Galaxy's Edge...
It really depends how much Kennedy is disliked among Iger/Filoni/Disney/Lucasfilm folks. For sure, she made enemies though...

But, it wold make me laugh if they destroy her self insert...
It would be amusing, but again, best anyone can hope for is a retcon, and even then can we really be sure about it? Or if it would even be good or try to fix ALL the problems? Even if Kennedy gets the boot, she's left dozens of clones behind to carry on her will, and even worse subordinates like Kiri Hart. Also the comic rights would still be own by Marvel which is just full of fuck ups and the current books publisher would still hand out writing rights to Wendig-tier idiots. If Kennedy does get the boot, I hope that includes the new story group and all her duplicates, along with either giving the SW comic rights to someone else or telling Marvel to cut the crap and start over, or just stop with the comics since they haven't even sold well since 2015 when compared to the post-TFA run and their run under Dark Horse. There's also that whole Project Luminous nonsense on the way which is even more sequel/Rey glorification nonsense. Kennedy might get the boot but will anyone really have the guts to tell all those content creators brought in for the project to just drop what they're doing or leave? It just seems to unlikely.

Again, only thing that seems to have any future is the Mandalorian and even Anthony Daniels seems to indicate that its positive trend may not last, especially with how they've said before that they want to tie it to the FO's origin story. And even with Kennedy gone, the taint may never leave...
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I wasn't gonna bring this up, but since several others started ship sperging here we goddamn are.

There's something very, very stupid in ROTS that I didn't get the chance to bring up earlier: Namely, the Star Destroyers emerging from the planet to take off. Why is this stupid?

....Because it's been established repeatedly in-universe, even within main canon, that Star Destroyers cannot do atmospheric missions at all. Their mass and size is such that they can't escape planetary gravity even with their massive engines. That's why the Imperials kept around a number of old vessels that could (such as the Victory and Carrack). Star Destroyers, like most big ships in the SWU, are built in giant orbital shipyards, because getting caught in planetary gravity is potentially a death sentence. In the PT and OT, you never see a Star Destroyer in an atmosphere. The closest we see are the Old Republic cruisers, which are atmosphere-capable and are also about 2/3 the size.

However, at over twice the size of a standard Star Destroyer, with substantially more gear to power, we're expected to buy that these things are somehow able to operate in an earth-like planetary atmosphere and gravity. Because fuck consistency, we have keys to dangle in front of you.
 
Kevin Smith made another review... I can't even watch it in full. The man looks and sounds like a depressed raspy wreck trying to simulate excitement while being alone in a cramped room. He looks like he's been crying for hours or days either because of this fucking movie (like he does with every other piece of SW crap he reviews) or because he had another mental breakdown. For fuck's sake what a mess of shillery. Its like the exact opposite of James Rolfe's review in every way. The man just keeps declining yet he somehow keeps being treated as important to SW and Hollywood for some reason. FYI I don't feel sorry for him, he just really creeps me out as he currently is.
 
A nice thing to dream about but highly unlikely that they would kill off Rey since it would just result in bad press for them which might affect stocks/investors. Best thing you could hope for is for them to just retcon Disney shit and maybe keep the Mandalorian and put it in its own new separate continuity or the old one (I mean heck it feels more like an EU property than a Disney property but shitty sequel references hammed in like those fucking nu-aliens and Canto Bight), and dismiss any sequel references as being completely different from shit in the sequels or just edit them out in re-releases, although recent sequel references are getting pretty heavy-handed.

It would be glorious, but again, best anyone can hope for is a retcon, and even then can we really be sure about it? Or if it would even be good or try to fix ALL the problems? Even if Kennedy gets the boot, she's left dozens of clones behind to carry on her will, and even worse subordinates like Kiri Hart. Also the comic rights would still be own by Marvel which is just full of fuck ups and the current books publisher would still hand out writing rights to Wendig-tier idiots. If Kennedy does get the boot, I hope that includes the new story group and all her duplicates, along with either giving the SW comic rights to someone else or telling Marvel to cut the crap and start over, or just stop with the comics since they haven't even sold well since 2015 when compared to the post-TFA run and their run under Dark Horse. There's also that whole Project Luminous nonsense on the way which is even more sequel/Rey glorification nonsense. Kennedy might get the boot but will anyone really have the guts to tell all those content creators brought in for the project to just drop what they're doing or leave? It just seems to unlikely.
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Again, only thing that seems to have any future is the Mandalorian and even Anthony Daniels seems to indicate that its positive trend may not last, especially with how they've said before that they want to tie it to the FO's origin story.

Oh, I don't think it will happen either. The more likely is that it's quietly forgotten..

Kiri Hart isn't with Lucasfilm, she works for Rian Johnson's production company.

I think most of Kennedy's folks are going to be gone. Most will be sent to work in other Disney divisions, others will follow her or move to other things, a tiny few will get axed, as well a tiny amount of good hires will stay(she had to have hired an occasional person with talent)..

But, there already transitioning. Iger has been doing the press junkets for Mandalorian. Kennedy is nowhere to be seen(supposedly an exec producer on the show). Why would Iger be doing that? I suspect Mandalorian was something Horn and him put in place...

From what I understand, project luminious doesn't mainly deal with Rey. I think it's supposed to be "Tales of the Jedi". So, she may be like a chronicler, but it's not really about her..

Who cares what Anthony Daniels said? Guy was more likely to say that out of ego.

I think Mandalorian will be whatever Favreau/Filoni deem it to be. Could it fall apart? Yeah, but I'm optomistic. I don't think Kennedy/story group has the power to torpedo it....
 
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I still wonder what the hell they mean by this. "Until..." What the fuck are they going to do to the Force? Wouldn't surprise me if the final entry in the project is revealing that Rey is now the Force itself or some crap like that. Also Aphra is going to play a part in this shit too so that's already a massive red flag of how shit this is going to be.
 
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I still wonder what the hell they mean by this. "Until..." What the fuck are they going to do to the Force? Wouldn't surprise me if the final entry in the project is revealing that Rey is now the Force itself or some crap like that. Also Aphra is going to play a part in this shit too so that's already a massive red flag of how shit this is going to be.
I mean an interesting thing:

Would be the force cutting itself off from everyone. Then someone(not Rey)has to travel to the netherworld to find out what's going on.

Like a mix between Dante's inferno/Odyssey. That would be cool as shit.

We won't get that...

Instead, it's going to be Tales of the Jedi or the Jedi can come back from the dead....

Who knows, maybe this is their way of writing 7-9 out of exsistance?

Man can dream...

Well, if Aphra is part of this: she is either old as fuck or it has nothing to do with the sequel stuff...
 
J.J. Simultaneously, according to the leaks, Wanted the Son of Mortis, Palpatine, and a revived/returned Snoke to be the bad guy. Without clarification, Its REALLY hard to accurately condemn Abrams for anything beyond being a hack in general since these are mutually exclusive positions.
It's really easy because all three options are terrible. Snoke is a joke, Palpatine devalues the OT, and WoW fags should keep their dicks out of the main storyline. A 2-hour movie is simply the wrong medium for this. (A 40-hour game, sure. A "non-canon" experimental novel, sure. A single-author epic fantasy series, go ahead, please don't die until you're done.)

Kylo was ok as a secondary antagonist, but not as the endgame villain of a trilogy or a saga of 9 movies. He is just not smart, powerful, or experienced enough.
He's the one we ended up with by the end of TLJ, and that happened because JJ shat the bed with Snoke in TFA. Upon getting the reins, Ruin should've done the "Snoke has been dead all along" plot @RomanesEuntDomus came up with - that would've been VIII's "I am your father" and put the trilogy on the right track. Upon getting the reins back from Ruin after the IRL TLJ, JJ's only chance at a decent movie was to build up Kylo, have him defeated, and give the Resistance a solid military victory over the FO that'd knock it back to an "evil kingdom" equivalent.

Without looking it up, how many Medal of Honor recipients can you name? Who were the pilots of the Enola Gay? What's the name of the guy who shot Osama Bin Laden? Military heroism does not make one a celebrity or a legend. High command might bring a person public renown, but individual acts of heroism do not.
Luke is bigger than that, and he's the Jedi. Parallels to real-life military exploits don't work here, because Palpatine is an epic character, so the person who defeated him (with caveats) is an epic character, too. You'd need something like "blew up Hitler with his own nuke". Yuri Gagarin probably qualifies.

Leia apparently was ousted from politics over her father being Darth Vader
Then she should've fucked off and made her own republic with blackjack and hookers. By the end of VI, Leia's rebels are the only legitimate power in the galaxy and everyone who's anyone regards her and Luke as heroes. A republic usurped by the anti-Leia faction who'd use the equivalent of blood libel against her (it's be another thing if she inherited wealth or status from Vader and tried to use that "for good") doesn't deserve to win.

That [unlikability of the Resistance] was honestly one of Disney Wars' most glaring problems. The Resistance and its characters were so terrible that more people and even nu-fans were rooting for the FO and Kylo Ren to win and Disney could not sell non-FO shit to save their lives.
This. The closest "the Resistance" as a faction got to sympathetic is when Poe mutinied against Admiral Tumblr.
 
This. The closest "the Resistance" as a faction got to sympathetic is when Poe mutinied against Admiral Tumblr.
Then Disney tries to make the Resistance itself more likeable via their Resistance cartoon, but that ends up turning out to be one of Disney's most unpopular properties, and unlike TLJ, nobody talks about it. And the first season is barely about the Resistance and more about racing. Its no surprise that shit got taken off the air and regular to a final season online. In a desperate attempt to try and gain some appeal, they even retconned two of their characters into being gay despite never stating it within the show, and after that backfired, the final season tries to force in as many old EU references as possible to try and attract old fans after failing to attract new fans as if trying to say "Hey look guys! All these things you liked from when you actually gave a shit about SW are back even though we're not doing anything interesting with them! Please watch our show! Also look! We have Saturday Night Live, Filoni Wars and Rebels references! Please watch us!" The show is such a fucking mess that its hard to tell what they're even trying to do. Nobody even watches it right now. Discussions online about it are deader than Blockbuster. The Resistance as a whole (not just the show but even the faction and everything having to do with it) was a monumental failure made all the more worse because you have nu-fans actually cheering for the bad guys and being pissed off that they killed Kylo Ren despite that being the only nu-character nu-fans gave a shit about.

Who knows, maybe this is their way of writing 7-9 out of exsistance?
It wouldn't be very hard. They already have a stupid time travel gimmick. Just claim that Son of Mortis jerk at some point messed with time and it created an alternate timeline which was the Disney Trilogy or make some kind of dramatic story out of it. Then shit can move back to a world without Rey, Aphra, Wendig, etc. And I'd rather have it be the Mortis jerk who does it than Rey because quite frankly I'd rather not have Rey be credited as the creator of everything. But again, even if they use it as a way to start fresh, I doubt Feige, Filoni and Favreu can keep Del Rey and Marvel from doing stupid shit, since not even Feige can stop the Marvel comics, Marvel tv and Marvel video games from sucking. Maybe its best Disney just sticks with fucking up its own garbage... and have things they haven't fucked up yet like Mandalorian take place in their own exclusive canon separate from Disney shit.

Well, if Aphra is part of this: she is either old as fuck or it has nothing to do with the sequel stuff...
They'll probably have Aphra as some long lived cyborg freakshow or have her brain put into a droid body. She has a few cyborg bits already.
 
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LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH who empowers the Knights' armor and weapons with sith lightning and sith enchantments and knows all the sith secrets.

So even this fucking monkey who is not a part of Sheev's cult can be a sith. Or maybe this monkey was Sheev's top subordinate and the one controlling Snoke and Kylo Ren. FFS So much for Rey's victory. The Sith are still around and more numerous than ever.
 
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LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH who empowers the Knights' weapons with sith lightning and sith spells and knows all the sith secrets.

So even this fucking monkey who is not a part of Sheev's cult can be a sith. Or maybe this monkey was Sheev's top subordinate and the one controlling Snoke and Kylo Ren. FFS So much for Rey's victory. The Sith are still around and more numerous than ever.

More bullshit that Disney tossed in to make this movie make sense as in the first 15min of the movie a brazillian things are happening at the same time and nothing makes fuck all sense. Christ an alchemist? What not a machine-smith, machinist, or some other unique name. Answer: Because the writers for this shit are probably interns and were hired because they don't have a penis, identify as a grapefruit, and post on twitter. 18hrs a day.
 
Then Disney tries to make the Resistance itself more likeable via their Resistance cartoon, but that ends up turning out to be one of Disney's most unpopular properties, and unlike TLJ, nobody talks about it. And the first season is barely about the Resistance and more about racing. Its no surprise that shit got taken off the air and regular to a final season online. In a desperate attempt to try and gain some appeal, they even retconned two of their characters into being gay despite never stating it within the show, and after that backfired, the final season tries to force in as many old EU references as possible to try and attract old fans after failing to attract new fans as if trying to say "Hey look guys! All these things you liked from when you actually gave a shit about SW are back even though we're not doing anything interesting with them! Please watch our show! Also look! We have Saturday Night Live, Filoni Wars and Rebels references! Please watch us!" The show is such a fucking mess that its hard to tell what they're even trying to do. Nobody even watches it right now. Discussions online about it are deader than Blockbuster. The Resistance as a whole (not just the show but even the faction and everything having to do with it) was a monumental failure made all the more worse because you have nu-fans actually cheering for the bad guys and being pissed off that they killed Kylo Ren despite that being the only nu-character nu-fans gave a shit about.


It wouldn't be very hard. They already have a stupid time travel gimmick. Just claim that Son of Mortis jerk at some point messed with time and it created an alternate timeline which was the Disney Trilogy or make some kind of dramatic story out of it. Then shit can move back to a world without Rey, Aphra, Wendig, etc. And I'd rather have it be the Mortis jerk who does it than Rey because quite frankly I'd rather not have Rey be credited as the creator of everything. But again, even if they use it as a way to start fresh, I doubt Feige, Filoni and Favreu can keep Del Rey and Marvel from doing stupid shit, since not even Feige can stop the Marvel comics, Marvel tv and Marvel video games from sucking. Maybe its best Disney just sticks with fucking up its own garbage... and have things they haven't fucked up yet like Mandalorian take place in their own exclusive canon separate from Disney shit.


They'll probably have Aphra as some long lived cyborg freakshow or have her brain put into a droid body. She's already has a few cyborg bits already.

Bot factions are shit. The Resistance is, like, HALF of the power the old Rebellion had, which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.

The First Order are glorified terrorists and nothing more, plus their whole design in general peeves me. It's far too clean and "new" to be the new enemy force.

Here's how I woulda done the two, if I had to:

LA RESISTANCE (Hon Hon)

- First things first; NAME CHANGE. I cannot stress enough how necessary this is; it's generic, basic as fuck and uncaptivating. Change that shit to something more eyecatching.

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Make it more "Guerilla Warfare"-like in it's strategies, if you really want to emphasize who fucked these guys are.

- Make it clear this is a faction born out of desperation, rather than a dedication bringing the balance back to the galaxy; inner struggle in the Resistance would characterize and most importantly, HUMANIZE the characters within the faction. This is a resistance movement; fighting among each other for various reasons is far more interesting than "everybodies in on the game plan, no matter how fucked it is".


- CHANGE EVERY SINGLE BIT OF WAR BASED TECH THEY HAVE, JESUS CHRIST. Nearly EVERY blaster, vehicle and more is dumb looking and most importantly, NOT Star Wars-like. I posted a few billion pages back (Jesus H. Christ has this thread blown up) how the First Shite has dumb looking guns and the like; This is the same for the Resistance. CHANGE THE STYLE. Make it cobbled together and third party, like the weird AK-47 fusions the old Rebels had in the OG trilogy.

The First Order (of my KFC meal)

- THE NAME HAS TO GO. The First Order is NOT a threatening name. It is a dumb one, and inaccurate at that (Empire rang, they're suing for historical theft). Call it the Empire Reborn or something along those lines.

- TECH BOOST AND VISUAL CHANGE, S T A T. The new Empire should be advanced as fuck. 36 fucking years IN THE FUTURE have passed; things have changed and improved. Show that with the Newpires technological prowess. Power armor, railguns, kick-ass robotics and vehicles, all with that trademark "used" look the Empire nailed; Make these fuckers buff as shit.

- MAJOR FUCKING COMPETENCE BOOST. Being buff and all is great, but having brains along with being buff is another. The Newpire has to be smart as fuck if they want to even have a CHANCE at ruling the Galaxy. Make it clear the Newpire has some tactical genius's on their side; I'm talking Thrawn tier shit.

- MAKE KYLO REN FUCKING LIKEABLE AND COOl. HOLY SHIT THIS GUY NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP. My vision for Kylo is more in line with what he was like in the last bits of ROS; make him funny, but competant and emotional when the time comes. I want him trolling the FUCK out of Rey and the gang, spewing insults and jabs at the Resistance's failures and scale. Think of Nu-Kylo as an evil Dante, but still with the same jokey, fucking about attitude. It would be great, and a change of pace from the usual serious business type villains we see in Star Wars.

Maybe sprinkle some more details in both factions, and change the motive of the Newpire to something more reasonable rather than blow up every fucking planet, and there you have it. Two far better written factions, all from my comfy chair at home. Step it up, JJ.
 
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LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH who empowers the Knights' weapons with sith lightning and sith spells and knows all the sith secrets.

So even this fucking monkey who is not a part of Sheev's cult can be a sith. Or maybe this monkey was Sheev's top subordinate and the one controlling Snoke and Kylo Ren. FFS So much for Rey's victory. The Sith are still around and more numerous than ever.
Welp, looks like Gundam's secret Zeon newtype monkeys have some competition finally.
 
Wow, everyone seems to love the Mandalorian season finale. Even @FROG. Can't wait to see it tonight.

Again, only thing that seems to have any future is the Mandalorian and even Anthony Daniels seems to indicate that its positive trend may not last, especially with how they've said before that they want to tie it to the FO's origin story. And even with Kennedy gone, the taint may never leave...
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"I don't care about Star Wars" in two panels.

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I still wonder what the hell they mean by this. "Until..." What the fuck are they going to do to the Force? Wouldn't surprise me if the final entry in the project is revealing that Rey is now the Force itself or some crap like that. Also Aphra is going to play a part in this shit too so that's already a massive red flag of how shit this is going to be.

I've seen the names Claudia Gray, Daniel Jose Older, and Charles Soule enough to know this is going to be more dogshit from people who DO NOT CARE about Star Wars.

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LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH who empowers the Knights' weapons with sith lightning and sith spells and knows all the sith secrets.

So even this fucking monkey who is not a part of Sheev's cult can be a sith. Or maybe this monkey was Sheev's top subordinate and the one controlling Snoke and Kylo Ren. FFS So much for Rey's victory. The Sith are still around and more numerous than ever.

There's only one Mysteries of the Sith:

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Sadly it was being remade in Jedi Academy, but the team couldn't find enough time to even finish the first 3 levels: https://www.moddb.com/mods/mysteries-of-the-sith-jka-modification

Thankfully they released the source code of the mod for someone else to pick it back up: https://jkhub.org/files/file/2597-mysteries-of-the-sith-mod-source-files/
 
I wasn't gonna bring this up, but since several others started ship sperging here we goddamn are.

There's something very, very stupid in ROTS that I didn't get the chance to bring up earlier: Namely, the Star Destroyers emerging from the planet to take off. Why is this stupid?

....Because it's been established repeatedly in-universe, even within main canon, that Star Destroyers cannot do atmospheric missions at all. Their mass and size is such that they can't escape planetary gravity even with their massive engines. That's why the Imperials kept around a number of old vessels that could (such as the Victory and Carrack). Star Destroyers, like most big ships in the SWU, are built in giant orbital shipyards, because getting caught in planetary gravity is potentially a death sentence. In the PT and OT, you never see a Star Destroyer in an atmosphere. The closest we see are the Old Republic cruisers, which are atmosphere-capable and are also about 2/3 the size.

However, at over twice the size of a standard Star Destroyer, with substantially more gear to power, we're expected to buy that these things are somehow able to operate in an earth-like planetary atmosphere and gravity. Because fuck consistency, we have keys to dangle in front of you.
Well in the prequels you do see Venators and Acclamators landing on the surface of planets.
So those ships must be able to operate in atmosphere.
Maybe it's different for ISDs.
Or maybe this just wasn't thought out ahead of time.
A shocking possibility I know.
 
Your friend is very intelligent because that's exactly the reason why these movies were shit. They want to rub their style of 'virtues' in our face. It's a deliberate rejection of the cultural values the original movies aspired to. You know there's a reason why the three main characters who had character arcs end up losers who reverse their personal growth and die anticlimactically. Lol Lando lives tho because he's black, but even he abandoned his daughter because it's not like he has connections or could summon an entire fleet to look for her. In the current year there can be no learning, personal growth, or redemption. You're less than your purported labels and values are.

It's why disney is intentionally poisoning the well on star wars. Everything new has no soul and is a warped simulacrum of things done better being carefully erased for being "on the wrong side of history."

I'm watching this video now, but it corroborates much of what @Jaimas's friend was saying:


Star Wars is so similar to Christianity that that's why Progressives & far leftists want it destroyed.
 
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