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I don't know what mental gymnastics they're using to assume that this is going to go well for them.

They're the ones throwing the shit fit right now. Vic and his counsel took their L but did what they needed to.

This just seems as if it has "BAD IDEA" scribbled all over it.
I'm putting a more detailed response in the actual case, but I'll cross-post it to here:

“A court may grant a new trial or set aside a judgment upon a showing of good cause. See Tex. R. Civ. P. 320. Texas courts are afforded broad discretion in granting new trials. Johnson v. Fourth Court of Appeals, 700 S.W.2d 916, 918 (Tex.1985). A trial court has plenary power to grant a new trial or to vacate, modify, correct, or reform a judgment within thirty days after the judgment is signed. Tex. R. Civ. P. 329b(a)&(d). The Final Judgment was signed November 25, 2019.”

TRCP 329b states that district and county courts can modify the judgment or entertain motions for new trials so long as the motions are filed in a timely manner. According to this rule, that window is thirty days after the order is signed. Since the order granting fees and motions was signed 25 November 2019, the latest they could file was 25 December 2019. Since that was a holiday, they would have had to have filed it prior to this point. According to the signature on the motion as well as the filing date, this was both signed and filed on 26 December 2019, putting it outside that window. Even if we were to accept that there should be some leeway granted for the motion's filing deadline being passed, it was signed and filed at almost 2000 (8:00 PM), putting it outside the normal work day.

“It is also within the Court’s discretion to modify or clarify its judgment. DeGroot v. DeGroot, 260 S.W.3d 658, 662 (Tex. App.—Dallas 2008, no pet.) (“During the period of a trial court’s plenary power, its power to modify its judgment is virtually absolute.”); see also id. (“The trial court’s plenary power to grant a new trial or to vacate, modify, correct, or reform a judgment is limited to a maximum of one hundred and five days after the judgment is signed.”). In this case, the qualifying language to the awarded appellate fees should be modified to make clear that if Defendants appeal and are successful in “modifying” the $100,000.00 fee award, then the conditional appellate fees are unaffected.”

However, in DeGroot v. DeGroot, the trial court heard a divorce proceeding, which falls under different rules. Further, the DeGroot decision was ruled the way it was because one of the parties filed a timely motion, where-as in this case they did not. While they are correct that plenary power resides with the trial court for a maximum of 105 days, it only matters insofar as they had filed it in a timely manner. Once again, failing to do that, they forfeit that argument. Further, I'll cite TRCP 329b(e):

“If a motion for new trial is timely filed by any party, the trial court, regardless of whether an appeal has been perfected, has plenary power to grant a new trial or to vacate, modify, correct, or reform the judgment until thirty days after all such timely-filed motions are overruled, either by a written and signed order or by operation of law, whichever occurs first.”

So, as long as it's timely filed, the court maintains plenary power. So what happens if it isn't? Let's look at TRCP 329b(f):

“On expiration of the time within which the trial court has plenary power, a judgment cannot be set aside by the trial court except by bill of review for sufficient cause, filed within the time allowed by law; provided that the court may at any time correct a clerical error in the record of a judgment and render judgment nunc pro tunc under Rule 316, and may also sign an order declaring a previous judgment or order to be void because signed after the court's plenary power had expired.”

Since this motion was filed after that deadline, the court cannot modify any portion of the order. This means that this doesn't even need to be responded to unless the judge asks the plaintiff to do so, which I don't think Chupp is going to do. Defense hammered Ty on the “late filing” for his TCPA response, which was filed late and had actual difficulties that they could provide proof of. In this case, it was filed over a day late, and what's more was signed on that same date. There is no wiggle room for them here.
 
I don't know what mental gymnastics they're using to assume that this is going to go well for them.

They're the ones throwing the shit fit right now. Vic and his counsel took their L but did what they needed to.

This just seems as if it has "BAD IDEA" scribbled all over it.

It's absolute panic. I'm not sure gymnastics is the right term, it's probably something more akin to...

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Monica and Ron are in for at least $180k, even if Vic's sanctions and legal fees punishment are upheld 100% -- and I can guarantee you BHBC will be making the case that it's excessive, and this CoA has already lowered fees beyond this in much bigger cases than Vic's. (The punitive legal fees to keep him from filing an appeal he already filed... no idea how that stands.)

But the firm? They're in for $280k already.

Both still have appeals and the actual trial to fight coming up, which is going to pile on the debt... to BOTH of them.


So who is panicking more?

Monica and Ron upon being told that yes, they actually are going to owe from $180k to 280k and rising, because fighting the appeal isn't going to be free, and if they lose on the appeal (and they will), they'll have an entire court case to look forward to.

... Or Wick Phillips upon realizing that Monica and Ron have absolutely no way to pay these fees, that the "guaranteed money" from the Go Fund Me that Lemonfurher probably promised his bosses isn't going to pan out, and MoRon will almost definitely declare bankruptcy to avoid paying them anything once this is all over?

Could Lemonfurher have been fucking with the bill to get the exact Go Fund Me amount without intention of actually charging MoRon it? He's under oath saying he'd charge them the actual amount, and it wasn't just an inflated amount. Is he taking a backseat because his bosses are pissed, or because he fucked up and put WP and MoRon in a real spot?

And just how many years would it take Monica and Ron to pay back $180,000?

And what happens if a law firm runs out of money in the middle of a case? Can Wick Phillips just walk away? Can they tell the judge that they're broke and can't pay their paralegals or staff anymore?
 
It's absolute panic. I'm not sure gymnastics is the right term, it's probably something more akin to...

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Monica and Ron are in for at least $180k, even if Vic's sanctions and legal fees punishment are upheld 100% -- and I can guarantee you BHBC will be making the case that it's excessive, and this CoA has already lowered fees beyond this in much bigger cases than Vic's. (The punitive legal fees to keep him from filing an appeal he already filed... no idea how that stands.)

But the firm? They're in for $280k already.

Both still have appeals and the actual trial to fight coming up, which is going to pile on the debt... to BOTH of them.


So who is panicking more?

Monica and Ron upon being told that yes, they actually are going to owe from $180k to 280k and rising, because fighting the appeal isn't going to be free, and if they lose on the appeal (and they will), they'll have an entire court case to look forward to.

... Or Wick Phillips upon realizing that Monica and Ron have absolutely no way to pay these fees, that the "guaranteed money" from the Go Fund Me that Lemonfurher probably promised his bosses isn't going to pan out, and MoRon will almost definitely declare bankruptcy to avoid paying them anything once this is all over?

Could Lemonfurher have been fucking with the bill to get the exact Go Fund Me amount without intention of actually charging MoRon it? He's under oath saying he'd charge them the actual amount, and it wasn't just an inflated amount. Is he taking a backseat because his bosses are pissed, or because he fucked up and put WP and MoRon in a real spot?

And just how many years would it take Monica and Ron to pay back $180,000?

And what happens if a law firm runs out of money in the middle of a case? Can Wick Phillips just walk away? Can they tell the judge that they're broke and can't pay their paralegals or staff anymore?
for the last part -wheezing laugh- no. they can't. it's actually very unethical. they aren't allowed to take on a client then leave them high and dry. most they can do is outsource to a cheaper firm.... but then again, aren't they unpopular? yeah. good luck.

the two are stuck together, hell or high water.
 
“A court may grant a new trial or set aside a judgment upon a showing of good cause. See Tex. R. Civ. P. 320...
The "good cause" in this case being "we didn't get our way!"

Let the record show that defendants are shrinking into corncobs.
And to arouse defendants' butthurt even further, here's the update for Vic's GFM: it has now crossed the 267K mark and is officially $267,030. $32,970 to go.
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I also heard Shane's Go Fund Me is doing "well" too. Making $15 in a whopping 24 days is truly impressive.
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$15 in troll donations, at that.
Gee, I wonder if KV is going to stick to their guns of reporting suspicious names.

Wait. Who am I kidding. They'd give a hobo a handjob for far less.
 
I want a retrial so LemonAIDS can drive away with a 2nd Audi at MoRoN's expense. 🤡🚘🤑🙍‍♀️🙍‍♂️
At this point Moronica is just going to declare bankruptcy and doubling and tripling down doesn't cost Moronica anymore.

They could have just settled. Wait until they get a judgement for Vic, that won't go away so easily.

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After checking up, maybe it will. I'm beginning to wonder if they would rather go bankrupt paying Lemon than from a judgement for Vic.
 
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At this point Moronica is just going to declare bankruptcy and doubling and tripling down doesn't cost Moronica anymore.

They could have just settled. Wait until they get a judgement for Vic, that won't go away so easily.

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After checking up, maybe it will. I'm beginning to wonder if they would rather go bankrupt paying Lemon than from a judgement for Vic.
Remember: When it comes to moronica: object, motion, ex-parte, appeal. Rinse, lather, repeat as necessary.

But if Vic does any of those things, then he's grifting and running up the bill.

Even though he almost never does.

GOTO 10: SET HOES == MAD
 
This is incorrect.

They want a retrial insofar as the awarded fees and sanctions, not a redo of the entire TCPA. He's trying a pick-and-choose strategy, in that he cites absolutely nothing giving him the right to request or demand a new. More to the point, he specifically states the following:

"A trial court has plenary power to granta new trial, or to vacate, modify, correct, or reform a judgment within thirty days after the judgment is signed."

The problem here? Once the final order was put out and the appeals court accepted Vic's appeal as timely filed, the trial court loses plenary power.

It's only after the 30 days. The court probably still had plenary power when the motion was filed, which extends it.

Rule 329b of the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure provides that a trial court also has thirty days “to grant a new trial or to vacate, modify, correct, or reform” a final judgment, regardless of whether an appeal has been perfected. TEX. R. CIV. P. 329b(d); Jackson v. Van Winkle, 660 S.W.2d 807, 808 (Tex. 1983).


I bet Chupp just literally ignores it like he ignored the other motion. And what happens then?

If the motion is not resolved within 75 days after the judgment is signed, it will be overruled by operation of law. TEX. R. CIV. P. 329b(c). In that event, the trial court’s plenary power would expire 105 days after judgment—the longest that the trial court’s plenary power may extend. TEX. R. CIV. P. 329b(e); L.M. Healthcare, Inc. v. Childs, 920 S.W.2d 285, 288 (Tex. 1996).

Chupp being the king of not giving a fuck, this may be the outcome. I doubt the appeals court will slow down to wait, especially if they know how Chupp operates.
 
It's only after the 30 days. The court probably still had plenary power when the motion was filed, which extends it.

The court had the power until 25 December, which was the 30th day after the final judgment was entered (as it was signed on the 25th of November). Further, the motion was signed and filed on the 26th, putting it one day outside the window. And it wasn't even filed until 2000 that night.
 
... Or Wick Phillips upon realizing that Monica and Ron have absolutely no way to pay these fees, that the "guaranteed money" from the Go Fund Me that Lemonfurher probably promised his bosses isn't going to pan out, and MoRon will almost definitely declare bankruptcy to avoid paying them anything once this is all over?

Could Lemonfurher have been fucking with the bill to get the exact Go Fund Me amount without intention of actually charging MoRon it? He's under oath saying he'd charge them the actual amount, and it wasn't just an inflated amount. Is he taking a backseat because his bosses are pissed, or because he fucked up and put WP and MoRon in a real spot?

There is certainly a 'social media' case to be made that the actual "grift" involves Moronica and the Mosquito King's obsession with that Gofundme.

If they were really upset about Vic 'scamming' his fans etc., wouldn't they be trying to get that money RETURNED to the 'innocent people' in the 'community' that the evil Nick tricked them into donating? Isn't this about 'healing' and other platitudes? So why then are M$M so fixated on either/both the GFM or dollar values so close to it?

As for the real world, the frequency of the GFM coming up in court proceedings looks like the endgame of one big convoluted scam on the part of Vic's accusers to 'Nigerian Prince" their way into a payday. AKA Accuse an innocent man with a rabidly loyal fanbase, then go after the cash when they rise to his defense.

Now the likelihood of that is pretty low since no one in KV is really that smart. But less than ethical lawyers could surely take advantage of a situation already in progress. Hypothetically speaking of course.
 
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Without wishing to derail, can anyone give me the lowdown on what's been going on recently? Last thing I remember, the judge decided in Funimation's favor, and Vic had to pay his opponents' legal fees. It was pretty disheartening and I stopped watching the thread, especially since it got derailed by speculation than discussion, but it seems like this is still going on, and I'm completely out of the loop now.
 
Without wishing to derail, can anyone give me the lowdown on what's been going on recently? Last thing I remember, the judge decided in Funimation's favor, and Vic had to pay his opponents' legal fees. It was pretty disheartening and I stopped watching the thread, especially since it got derailed by speculation than discussion, but it seems like this is still going on, and I'm completely out of the loop now.

Appeals are ready and set to be done in the court of appeals, Lemoine is throwing a bitch fit. That's the gist of it.
 
Appeals are ready and set to be done in the court of appeals, Lemoine is throwing a bitch fit. That's the gist of it.
The fees they were given is also significantly less than they wanted, which puts MoRoNiCa and funimation with a big bill still.
 
The fees they were given is also significantly less than they wanted, which puts MoRoNiCa and funimation with a big bill still.

I hope interest rates accumulate throughout! Ah yes, nothing like wading through another exceptional filing from Wick & Phillips.
I wonder if they are emberassed by this "special" -show of lolyering skills that their team has taken part in or executed themselves.
Gotta be a good look for the firm.
Makes you think; perhaps they are all exceptionals in there, thus creating an echo-chamber for themselves. So no matter which one of them picks up after the other, we'll end up with more exceptionalism.
 
Without wishing to derail, can anyone give me the lowdown on what's been going on recently? Last thing I remember, the judge decided in Funimation's favor, and Vic had to pay his opponents' legal fees. It was pretty disheartening and I stopped watching the thread, especially since it got derailed by speculation than discussion, but it seems like this is still going on, and I'm completely out of the loop now.

We have a TL;DR Thread FOR THIS VERY REASON:
 
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