Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

There was a trend a few years ago for a while for adopting a 1940s ration-based diet as a way to lose weght. It worked. It would be hilarious to see Anna's (or any of our cows') face at the sight of what she would be expected to exist on - no arguments - week in, week out.

Everyone featured in this sub would drop 50+ pounds in a month on such a regimen when coupled with the daily activity of the average 1940s citizen. Oh, I'd love to see that, especially for the extremely lazy "three naps a day" assholes like Corissa and J. If only someone could make this happen, lol.
 
Everyone featured in this sub would drop 50+ pounds in a month on such a regimen when coupled with the daily activity of the average 1940s citizen. Oh, I'd love to see that, especially for the extremely lazy "three naps a day" assholes like Corissa and J. If only someone could make this happen, lol.

I reckon everyone of a normal weight/BMI would probably drop a few pounds without trying if limited to WW2 rations.. But can you IMAGINE the squealing and protestations of OMG STATE STARVATION and MUH HOOMAN RIGHTS and the like if the likes of rationing were every foisted on the nation again? Oh, it would be comical on some levels, but also tiresome as hell listening to the demands of the greedy fuckers and the parents of little fat fuckers convinced their kids will expire if they don't get to stop their mouths with sugary snacks on the hour, every hour?

One thing's for sure though, the 'tried everything and never lost weight' and 'diets don't work!!!!' crowd would have a very hard time explaining why they were all multiple sizes smaller within a year or so.
 
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There's a book called Eating for Victory: Healthy Home Front Cooking on War Rations, which is a collection of recipe booklets the British government published in World War Two to help people work with the very limited food rations available. By modern standards (even modern normal-sized people, let alone the FA herd), it really is appalling how poor they were. By modern standards, you might say some of the advice borders on OCD , like "I am obsessed by the thought that I must never, EVER waste a single edible calorie of food." Except in Great Britain during the war, you really did need to obsess over not-wasting a single calorie, because the island really was in danger of not having enough to feed everybody.

You know, that looks like a really interesting book. Thanks for the link! You meet the nicest people and learn the most interesting things on a stalker forum full of raging hate-filled Nazis. :D

Betty MacDonald's The Plague and I also talks a little about '20s and '30s dieting and health culture in general, at least in America. (Sample breakfast for a diet: "a small thin slice of gluten bread and a ripe pomegranate." Fad diets have existed forever, it seems.) Looking at photographs from the period, it really is astonishing how someone we'd consider totally normal today would be frantically "reducing" in the '30s. People just didn't get as many calories back then, especially not from refined carbs and sugars, and day-to-day activity was usually higher.

There's always going to be glandular disorders and different fat distributions, and the few folks who have fucked-up metabolisms through no fault of their own. And of course, back in ye olden dayes, malnutrition was much more of a problem ... But compared to what we're eating today, a couple months of a '40s wartime diet might actually help a lot of people.

As for LividLipids ... good Lord. I don't understand people who go out of their way to make themselves as unappealing as possible. She must hate herself a lot.
 
They all say a lot of the stuff they had to eat in WW2 was disgusting, btw, the powdered eggs in particular appear to hold terrible memories for many. The very poorest ate way better due to ratioaing, but everyone else generally fared worse in some ways as stuff they could normally afford disappeared and was doled out in tiny quantities or was replaced with horrific substitutes. At some points whale meat was used and that's another one I recall people just wishing they were dead having to eat - not because of some empathy for whales either, but because it was vile to their palate and generally considered only food for dogs and cats before that here.

As I understand it, the war was also the root of British people's dislike or love/hate of Spam. (Remember the Monty Python skit -- before the ironic song about "lovely Spam, wonderful Spam" it was about a woman ranting how she hates Spam, in a restaurant where that's all they sell. But in Britain, where war rationing didn't completely end until the mid-1950s, a lot of Baby Boomers and their parents remember a long long loooong time where Spam was the main meat or meatlike substance they'd get to eat).

The war rations weren't *entirely* as limited as in my last post. In addition to those rations, you got a certain number of "points" every month -- the number varied based on what was actually available -- and those points could be applied toward various canned goods, including Spam shipped from the US. Lots and lots and LOTS of Spam, even with the Germans sinking cargo ships. I gather the way it worked was, buying Spam or other canned meats cost some of your points, but did not count against your "4 oz. ham or bacon, 1s2p of other meat" ration.

There was also a canned fish called snoek, which was either low-points or NO points, yet it was so nasty that even a lot of protein-craving wartime British people could not bring themselves to eat it, no matter how cheap it was and how many clever snoek recipes the government suggested. And even the ones who did force themselves to eat it never liked it very much. IIRC, after the war there was so much canned snoek left over that the prices were slashed to a tiny fraction of before, and it was re-sold as pet food.

Infants and young children had smaller rations than adults, but they did get extra m*ilk, plus some orange juice every week, and cod liver oil. Which presumably is a useful nutritional supplement for a growing child who otherwise has a limited amount of food, but I can definitely see that adding to the unpleasantness of British children's wartime memories.

But, regarding the Fat Acceptance folks -- yes, they'd go on a fatphobic rant if they had to live on a British ration diet, or even a modern version of it. (In wartime Britain, for example, fresh fruits and berries weren't rationed, but that's because they weren't usually available, at any price. But if you followed a "British WW2 rationing diet" today -- which is not the same as "actual British wartime diet" -- you could eat as much fresh fruit as you wanted. And use more and better spices too. And while you're at it, go ahead and use fresh eggs rather than powdered, but still no more than 16 per month.)

The "sweets" ration -- chocolate and other candy -- 3 ounces a week for adults. A standard-size American Hershey's chocolate bar is 1.55 ounces. A standard-size British Cadbury Dairy M*ilk chocolate bar is 45 grams (1.59 ounces). A total weekly candy ration of less than two Hershey or Dairy M*ilk bars? One 16-ounce jar of preserves/jam every two months? Most of these FA people eat more than that in a day, every day.

You know, that looks like a really interesting book. Thanks for the link!

It is a very interesting book, and you're welcome! You might also be interested in the companion piece Make Do and Mend: Keeping Family and Home Afloat on War Rations. That one is British wartime government booklets on how to get by on limited rations of non-food items, including clothes, metal items, soap, electricity, and cooking fuel, plus almost anything else you might possibly want or need.

ETA: In both cases, there are later editions of the books than the ones I linked to. I don't know if those editions have additional material compared to earlier versions.

ETA again: The FA people would have a fit if they had to live by British wartime clothing and fabric restrictions, too! IIRC, during the best of times, a typical adult got enough clothing coupons to buy one new outfit per year; when things got really bad, rations tightened so even buying a single USED coat cost a whole year's worth of clothing coupons. Imagine Anna "Glitter and Lasers" O'Brien making do with only the clothes she already has, plus one new outfit a year!

IIRC, one of the booklets in Make Do and Mend describes how old worn-out sheets can be made into new underwear. And how to do this by hand if you don't have a sewing machine or can't get yours repaired.
 
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As I understand it, the war was also the root of British people's dislike or love/hate of Spam. (Remember the Monty Python skit -- before the ironic song about "lovely Spam, wonderful Spam" it was about a woman ranting how she hates Spam, in a restaurant where that's all they sell. But in Britain, where war rationing didn't completely end until the mid-1950s, a lot of Baby Boomers and their parents remember a long long loooong time where Spam was the main meat or meatlike substance they'd get to eat).

The war rations weren't *entirely* as limited as in my last post. In addition to those rations, you got a certain number of "points" every month -- the number varied based on what was actually available -- and those points could be applied toward various canned goods, including Spam shipped from the US. Lots and lots and LOTS of Spam, even with the Germans sinking cargo ships. I gather the way it worked was, buying Spam or other canned meats cost some of your points, but did not count against your "4 oz. ham or bacon, 1s2p of other meat" ration.

There was also a canned fish called snoek, which was either low-points or NO points, yet it was so nasty that even a lot of protein-craving wartime British people could not bring themselves to eat it, no matter how cheap it was and how many clever snoek recipes the government suggested. And even the ones who did force themselves to eat it never liked it very much. IIRC, after the war there was so much canned snoek left over that the prices were slashed to a tiny fraction of before, and it was re-sold as pet food.

Infants and young children had smaller rations than adults, but they did get extra m*ilk, plus some orange juice every week, and cod liver oil. Which presumably is a useful nutritional supplement for a growing child who otherwise has a limited amount of food, but I can definitely see that adding to the unpleasantness of British children's wartime memories.

But, regarding the Fat Acceptance folks -- yes, they'd go on a fatphobic rant if they had to live on a British ration diet, or even a modern version of it. (In wartime Britain, for example, fresh fruits and berries weren't rationed, but that's because they weren't usually available, at any price. But if you followed a "British WW2 rationing diet" today -- which is not the same as "actual British wartime diet" -- you could eat as much fresh fruit as you wanted. And use more and better spices too. And while you're at it, go ahead and use fresh eggs rather than powdered, but still no more than 16 per month.)

The "sweets" ration -- chocolate and other candy -- 3 ounces a week for adults. A standard-size American Hershey's chocolate bar is 1.55 ounces. A standard-size British Cadbury Dairy M*ilk chocolate bar is 45 grams (1.59 ounces). A total weekly candy ration of less than two Hershey or Dairy M*ilk bars? One 16-ounce jar of preserves/jam every two months? Most of these FA people eat more than that in a day, every day.



It is a very interesting book, and you're welcome! You might also be interested in the companion piece Make Do and Mend: Keeping Family and Home Afloat on War Rations. That one is British wartime government booklets on how to get by on limited rations of non-food items, including clothes, metal items, soap, electricity, and cooking fuel, plus almost anything else you might possibly want or need.

ETA: In both cases, there are later editions of the books than the ones I linked to. I don't know if those editions have additional material compared to earlier versions.

I'll throw my recommendation on the pile here: The Wartime Kitchen and Garden, a 8-part British TV series basically reenacting the running of a household and victory garden 1939-1945 by two people who remember the actual war and are able to talk about what it was actually like as well as demonstrate the various techniques they used back then to make ends meet. Interesting stuff.

You're right about the Spam, btw. My elderly father still has a horror of the stuff for the reason you mentioned.

Oh boy, and that LiesByJen and Gin Genie or whatever the alkie's name is, that artwork is mighty flattering, eh?
 
ETA: In both cases, there are later editions of the books than the ones I linked to. I don't know if those editions have additional material compared to earlier versions.

ETA again: The FA people would have a fit if they had to live by British wartime clothing and fabric restrictions, too! IIRC, during the best of times, a typical adult got enough clothing coupons to buy one new outfit per year; when things got really bad, rations tightened so even buying a single USED coat cost a whole year's worth of clothing coupons. Imagine Anna "Glitter and Lasers" O'Brien making do with only the clothes she already has, plus one new outfit a year!

IIRC, one of the booklets in Make Do and Mend describes how old worn-out sheets can be made into new underwear. And how to do this by hand if you don't have a sewing machine or can't get yours repaired.

Oooh! I have to buy that, I think. I'm always altering new clothes or patching old ones, but I'm still very much a beginner. That sounds like it would have some really interesting tips. Thanks again!

And that's an interesting point. FAs are sometimes known to overconsume more than food, and cheap fast fashion is one area many of them do seem to gravitate towards. And those clothes are always awful in quality, too--what a waste.

(OT, but it's funny how "stop buying cheap-shit clothes from China" doesn't seem to be one of the items on the environmentalists' wish lists.)
 
And that's an interesting point. FAs are sometimes known to overconsume more than food, and cheap fast fashion is one area many of them do seem to gravitate towards. And those clothes are always awful in quality, too--what a waste.

(OT, but it's funny how "stop buying cheap-shit clothes from China" doesn't seem to be one of the items on the environmentalists' wish lists.)

It's really the entire shill, sorry, influencer profession that drives consuming as a hobby in itself, whatever their size. A weird cycle has developed where they stockpile their horde of PR and self-purchased shite and when it overwhelms them, make even more money doing a 'declutter' vieo which features all that stuff that they were squealing they were 'obsessed' by or calling their 'holy grail' as little as days earlier. Even the thrifter channels do this, they rely on endless pointless purchase of clothes which they then never wear and are forced at some point to throw back in the endless ocean of thirft shit which cycles on to the landfills.

I recall a trend a couple of years ago for 'anti haul' videos in which people made money by listing all they new make-up and cosmetics stuff they weren't going to buy, but I think the vogue for those passed a while ago and it's really business as usual pushing endless giant shopping or PR hauls of crap again.
 
Oooh! I have to buy that, I think. I'm always altering new clothes or patching old ones, but I'm still very much a beginner. That sounds like it would have some really interesting tips. Thanks again!

If you are going to actually "use" the book for sewing and patching tips (there are several you'll likely find useful), rather than merely read it as a historical curiosity, you might be better off getting one of the newer editions (if they do indeed have more content than the earlier edition I linked to). One criticism of the book is that the collection of reproduction booklets is not a complete set of all British WW2 rationing-tips booklets, more like a sampler. But even the incomplete collection in the first edition of Make Do And Mend includes a lot of things like, patterns and tips to make a dress larger when your young daughter outgrows her old one (cut the old dress apart like so, cut panels out of complementary-color cloth like so, attach the panels into the old-dress pieces like so, and a smaller dress is now a larger, lovely two-tone garment!).

So if you're into doing clothes alteration, -- yes, definitely get yourself a copy of that book when you can. Good-condition used copies are available for well under $10, including shipping.
 
40's, she says. 20's, her comments say.

Me? I think that hair, makeup and expression scream "it's the 1980's, please take me seriously please".

Yeah, overall the look is no era at all, the nearest is the red lips and heavy, lined smoky eyes could be Disco-era 70s, but it's actually aggravating to me to claim it's the wartime part of the 1940s because nobody wore either multiple blended shades of eyeshadow, let alone any eyeliner - let alone liner under the eyes, during the war. That eye look is pretty much pure 2010s tbqh in texture and multiple shades and blending. The hair if curled would be brushed out and pinned up at the sides, and probably shorter, too, not hanging loose. Her hair is as you say more eighties (but too loose really) or 70s hot rollers with 2000s products involved.

Liner on the top lid only came in right at the end of the decade and persisted into the 1950s. But nobody used it during wartime, not even movie stars, and eyeshadow was not only hard to impossible to get during the war, if you did have it, it would be one single shade that was meant to be matched to your eye colour, applied to the lid and blended upwards. Mostly ordinary women wouldn't own or wear any though - Vaseline was the thing if you wanted to make your lids look nice. The red lip was THE feature of the wartime era and would also be heavily overdrawn in Joan Crawford's classic 'Hunter's Bow' shape, very rounded out, which Anna hasn't done here.
 
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