Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Жириновский]

They should have just given the whole sequelogy to JJ. It would have been safe, mediocre, and inoffensive. Kind of like TFA and the last 1/3rd of TROS.

 

[Fluke]

The best part about the St is that they could proably go out on the streets in the us and grab any white man aged 16-56 and ask him,
hey what do you think happens to Luke leia and Han after trj? Pick like a hundred of them and make some groups and there you go. Fuck you could even organize based on what they grew up on and how deep there knowledge is of eu and canon.
Like you know focus groups.
The star wars audience got to be one of the easist ones to sell shit to in the world.

 

[Gehenna]

They should have just given the whole sequelogy to JJ. It would have been safe, mediocre, and inoffensive. Kind of like TFA and the last 1/3rd of TROS.

Aye, it would have been bland and fan servicey, and EXACTLY what Iger wanted.

 

[Kulee Baba]

So I finally finished the Mandalorian...and uh, wow. In one episode...

...Cara Dune, a background character, has her motivations and history revealed in a single line of dialogue that is more effective than anything in the three sequel movies.

...Showed more respect for the lore of the universe in a the thirty seconds with the dark saber than the sequel trilogy ever did in its 6+ hours.

...Moff Gideon has already succeeded more than Kylo Ren even though he loses.

...has shown a proper circular narrative with Mando being lifted up and saved and then him lifting up and saving baby yoda

...proper hooks without mystery boxes

...the villain losing in a way that is earned and not simplistic or without merit.

I mean, a singular 45 minute episode of a show for a streaming service just ass fucked a six hour, billion dollar movie franchise. It is unbelievable how badly Lucasfilm has failed. Kathleen Kennedy obviously should have been fired a long time ago, but this basically cements the need for her firing. Her ideas to replace the built in audience were patently fucking idiotic and have failed on a massive scale.



Star Wars still has an audience and a very strong appeal. However, its not the RIGHT audience that Kathleen Kennedy wants, Bob Iger fucktardedly agreed to replace (and if he wasn't paying attention he's a fucking idiot too). The audience for the sequel trilogy are basically general consumers who aren't particularly loyal to anything and won't stick with the brand. Reylos and the like will basically fade out of existence now, as basically that story is over and Daisy Ridley wants nothing more to do with Star Wars (None of the cast do, actually). Those little girls wearing Rey outfits? Yeah, they don't give a fuck and are gone. Nu-Trilogy merch is basically rotting on shelves. Rey is a boring as fuck character that I can make a costume out of with a single biege sheet. So she's got 0 staying power in the cosplay scene. And Kylo Ren is a fucking cuck and a loser and nobody is going to cosplay his dumb ass. There's actually 0 cosplay that will go of them, the Mandalorian is going to get all that shit. I guarantee you'll see more Cara Dunes than you'll see Reys and more Mandos than you'll see of all other prequel characters combined.

Its kind of amazing. For a property that has basically been mishandled for a long time, it still has a very loyal and devoted following to it. Just no one wants to make them anything. Which is weird. But ok.

I mean, we've effectively witnessed a 4 billion dollar property destroy its own audience to get a fake audience and the company try to gaslight its former audience into thinking they had a new one when they didn't, then when that didn't work, they tried crawling back to the former audience ineffectively who now greatly enjoy shitting on something that they formerly loved. What Disney did was patently idiotic.

It's anecdotal evidence but whatever, this Christmas went to a pretty big family's home and Star Wars was one of the big topics. You know we were all talking about lovingly? The Mandalorian, and the women (20s to late 50s demographic) absolutely adore the Baby Yoda. They think it's the cutest thing ever. They also really like the Mandalorian himself (women liking father figures, what a shocker right?). So if Kathleen's great goal with the sequel trilogy was to get that female demographic then the Manalorian upstaged the ST on that front as well.

There were two little girls at the dinner and they were allowed to open most of their gifts that night, what they got & were ecstatic for were princess dresses. Their favorite movies according to the mom are Frozen & Moana. It's definitely not Star Wars which is too violent and long for their tastes.

So what's the future of Star Wars? Well the good news is that space westerns with magic powers still hold mass appeal. The bad news is that they totally ruined an elder Mark Hamill, who could have easily been in Star Wars productions for another decade. Hopefully Kathleen Kennedy will announce her departure soon so the sequel trilogy can finally fade into the background as did the stupid parts of the Prequel trilogy. Because no one is going to remember them, because they were made for a theoretical audience that never materialized.

 

[Creep3r]

They should have just given the whole sequelogy to JJ. It would have been safe, mediocre, and inoffensive. Kind of like TFA and the last 1/3rd of TROS.

Aye, it would have been bland and fan servicey, and EXACTLY what Iger wanted.

And equally as big as a disappointment as Into Darkness that still goes out of its way to shit on the old for the sake of glorifying Disney's OCs.

Even if JJ wasn't a hack, the end result would still be the same since Kennedy and her story group made it clear from the get go that they wanted to devalue the OT and its characters and replace them with something more hollow and suited for the Current Year ideals.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

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WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH HIS FACE?

Just what Star Wars needed: space Abzorbaloff.

 

[Gehenna]

And equally as big as a disappointment as Into Darkness that still goes out of its way to shit on the old for the sake of glorifying Disney's OCs.

Honestly... i'd have taken a disappointment over a complete garbage fire. Dob't get me wrong, both options are terrible. Its just one is MORE terrible.

 

[Creep3r]

Honestly... i'd have taken a disappointment over a complete garbage fire. Dob't get me wrong, both options are terrible. Its just one is MORE terrible.

Understandable, but I'd rather take garbage fire since the overall public is more likely to disown it than something that's simply mediocre or bad like the prequels. With how this shit has turned out, no one will want to treat the Disney mess as the legit continuation of the SW saga, and like James Rolfe said, people will continue treating ROTJ as the true cinematic conclusion to SW while Disney's trashfire is treated like the disrespectful fanfic-tier abortion that it is and which should never have existed in the first place.

 

[AnOminous]

Just what Star Wars needed: space Abzorbaloff.

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Space Fat Bastard.



Or maybe he's a Vogon (the original TV series one not the movie one).

 

[Creep3r]

Space Fat Bastard.

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Or maybe he's a Vogon (the original TV series one not the movie one).

Disney already made their own donut steal Vogons fittingly enough (very loosely based on unused concept art from ROTJ) which they used as substitutes for Hutts before Solo bombed.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Fat Bastard's a lot more charming than Abzorbaloff. Helps to wear clothes and be funny.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Space Fat Bastard.

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Or maybe he's a Vogon (the original TV series one not the movie one).

Don't let him near Baby Yoda.

 

[The Decimator]

Apparently Pablo Hidalgo has his own subreddit where he is worshiped as some kind of prophet or god where they compile all of his Disney gospel, but its members only.

Anyone have any idea of how cringe this shit is?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSupremePablo/

Basically this. My defense of the PT only goes as far as its ideas, visuals, creativity and a few characters. That doesn't change the crappy dialogue, terrible acting direction by George and bad ideas like the timeline and midichlorians. For example, Hayden is actually a good actor, but George wanted him to act stiff and robotic for reasons that elude me. And also while George may not have intended it that way, the mere implication of midis and the portrayal of the jedi within the film shows that they had become too secular and political to the point where their end almost seems like a necessary tragedy and it also makes Kenobi an even better character than we remember. But the prequels are still horribly flawed. Instead, it seems people are miffed over the idea that the PT can receive any positive praise even in a single area (like say complimenting its creature designs) or simply saying that its not as bad as the sequels because they at least tried to be original and memorable despite having an overall messy plot and dialogue. The people most mad by this implication always seem to be those who had an intense boner for TFA and genuinely hated anything outside of the OT or didn't think much of SW to begin with as most will claim it wasn't even their favorite franchise or even one that interested them outside of rewatching the OT annually.

They praise TFA for basically being a recycled mess that re-uses all the same predictable plot points and memberberries that stimulate the pleasure centers of the brain and making them feel like children watching ANH again for the first time, even though the movie goes out of its way to deconstruct everything from ANH and the rest of the OT for the sake of being able to repeat this same story. So the thought of a movie like TFA turning out to be a sham that lead to nothing seems to be a shock to them, which is why they'd rather go down saying that both trilogies are equally bad or that SW was always shit to try and make TFA sound like a polished turd among a pile of turds despite that not being the case. It was a just a hollow corporate approved and formulaic repeat that offered absolutely nothing new or even a creative venue for writers to expand upon, something even the prequels couldn't fuck up. The prequels are often labeled as having killed the franchise despite that they really didn't. Sales were up, it was all over the media, merch was doing better than ever, best selling video games, comics and books wouldn't stop coming out, and it created to highly successful and award-winning animated shows that beat the odds despite being based on a mediocre trilogy, simply because said trilogy managed to lend itself to a lot of story ideas and creativity, something the Disney Trilogy severely lack. Only thing the Disney Trilogy could do was just redo the original trilogy, but worse or pathetically safe, and it did. And unlike the prequels, the DT has wrought untold damage to the brand name. A name that once could be put on a dog turd and it would sale can't even be used to sell cheap toys on clearance sale anymore. Merch sales are down, comic sales are almost non-existent and can barely break 4 digits, video games are pretty much dead with only one decent release among a very VERY small pile of controversies, and a 4 BILLION dollar park that's been an absolutely unprofitable mess since day 1. Even the prequels at their absolute lowest couldn't achieve this kind of damage outside of pissing off snooty critics and neckbeards. Meanwhile DT has not only pissed off critics, but even the most casual of audiences while dividing the fanbase and killing any and all hope it had of being relevant in China because Disney just did not plan anything in advance. And without even accounting for IRL damage, the Disney films did something even the Prequels or even Dark Empire at its worst couldn't achieve, completely devalue the original films and the heroes that started it all in every conceivable way while humiliating them and destroying the very foundation on which this franchise was built on. For even the prequels at the worst could never change the future and the conclusions to the saga, while Disney purposely went out of their way to destroy it to replace it with their own monstrosity.

For reference, here is the new timeline.
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Its no longer one named after any event from the OT era, now its one named after the fucking sequel era that reminds you of what shameful rejects the old heroes were. Leia Organa... Ousted. FFS

Yikes, that new timeline is horrid. What exactly was wrong with basing the dates on the Battle of Yavin? That made sense because it was where the saga began, but now it’s based on some shitty battle that nobody will remember in 20 years.

 

[Foltest]

So I saw the film on friday and..... I found it to be not good. I found it to be a waste of time and talent. The return of Palpy (serious, his first name is Sheev!?) to be insulting to Anakin and how he gave his life in VI. It looked pretty but the pace was all over the place and the script felt undercooked. Finn and Poe was usless and Rey still sucks as a charcther (even if Daisy tried her hardest) and the only one I liked, was Kylo.
I could go in more on the plotholes and other shit, but other people have done that.

 

[Creep3r]

It's a shame that Christopher Lee is gone because this could have been a great Star Wars solo movie.

I would've given an arm and a leg once for Genndy to have made a Dooku animated series chronicling his fall while adding a big "In Memory of the great Sir Christopher Lee" in the final episode.

Also Corey Burton almost comes close to mimicking his glorious voice.

 

[The Decimator]

I would've given an arm and a leg once for Genndy to have made a Dooku animated series chronicling his fall while adding a big "In Memory of the great Sir Christopher Lee" in the final episode.
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Also Corey Burton almost comes close to mimicking his glorious voice.

Christopher Lee himself actually praised Burton’s portrayal, saying that there was no need to use him for the Clone Wars movie when Burton could have done it.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Box Office: ‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker’ Plunges 71% On Friday

Disney and Lucasfilm’s 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' earned $26.2 million (-71%) on Friday, soaring past $300 million in North America and $600 million worldwide.

www.forbes.com

Dammit. It suffered a 70+% BO drop, but that may only be due to the Holiday, and it's still more than halfway to a billion. Either the article is true, the article is a fluffpiece, or Disney is buying A LOT of tickets.



It's the entertainment form of the sunk cost fallacy. People grow up with these franchises and become such nostalgia whores that they can't jump ship when it's been demolished by the iceberg of corporate greed. We truly do exist in the day of the Letzter Mensch.

Yeah, its fucking depressing.

God Bless JJ

https://archive.ph/WK46E

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Nobody likes Rose Tico, not even Kelly Marie Tran, so shut the fuck up you fat cunt.

Did they ever explain why Syfo Dias did that or what pushed Dooku to leave the Jedi Order? I remember in TCW he had a few interactions with Yoda and it seemed like they used to be close friends or something.


I'm sick of the "OT wasn't planned so it's totally fine if 40 years later the ST made up the story as they went along" argument. SW isn't Alias, LOST, Fringe or any other Bad Robot production.

What MovieBlob and his diabetes riddled brain don't understand is that back in the day, this sort of serialization simply did not exist. 'Blockbuster Sequels' were extremely nascent in 1977 and basically didn't have a competently composed formula until basically 20-30 years later. Fuck, movie universes were scattershot and nobody ever even attempted them besides Kevin Fiegie who basically ran his studio like the fucking military in order for it to succeed.

Time and context need to be taken into consideration. Also another thing is that movie's sequels back in the 70s and 80s had EXTREMELY long development cycles. There wasn't this absolute studio pressure to do sequels. In fact, when people saw Empire and it ended on a cliffhanger, they were fucking. PISSED. Cliffhangers and serialization simply did not exist at all on television or movies in the early '80s. Typically studios wrapped everything up since they never knew if they were going to make another one.

Its sort of like anime now. Stories wrap up in 12 or 24 episodes because it is not expected things will get to continue and its very much a roll of the dice if you put a cliff-hanger out, it might stay that way for 3-4 years or forever. Rise of the Shield hero got greenlit for not 1, but 2 seasons for a total of 3. This is basically unheard of in that medium. Basically nobody expected Star Wars to be as successful as it was, which is why it took everyone by surprise. So when they COULD do another, they had to deepen things. Its why the first one basically wraps up the entire story. I mean, if you look at the OT, it basically follows a VERY strict three act structure and does not deviate. ANH is rising action with the hero experiencing a moderate success, ESB is falling action where the heroes are at the lowest and RotJ is the climax of the story where the falling action is resolved. There was no pattern for them to folow, so they basically used the hero's journey and Shakespeare to fill these out.

Yes, the OT wasn't planned, because NO sequels were planned typically back then. The 'blockbuster' basically arose in the mid 1970s. The comparison to the OT and now is completely disingenuous, because we have very set-in-stone, established precedents for how to make sequels and plan trilogies. Fuck, they have a blueprint for movie UNIVERSES, it was their fucking company that pioneered them.

There is simply NO EXCUSE for the sequels to be unplanned messes in the 2010s. It is a complete failure of leadership on every single level, from executive to creative. Hiding behind the OT is basically saying nothing has changed for nearly 50 years. Its pure incompetence. Its like I come out with a new drug that has massive side effects, yet its supposed to be a simple antibiotic. I can't just go, "WELL, THE FIRST ANTIBIOTICS KILLED EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW". I can't just fucking ignore 50 years of progress.

That's what this dumb faggot is trying to say: "Please ignore the 50 years of progress between now and back then. Clearly there were no major developments in the art of storytelling, film making or technology that has streamlined this process. Nobody since 1977 has made a sequel to anything ever or has planned one."

It's anecdotal evidence but whatever, this Christmas went to a pretty big family's home and Star Wars was one of the big topics. You know we were all talking about lovingly? The Mandalorian, and the women (20s to late 50s demographic) absolutely adore the Baby Yoda. They think it's the cutest thing ever. They also really like the Mandalorian himself (women liking father figures, what a shocker right?). So if Kathleen's great goal with the sequel trilogy was to get that female demographic then the Manalorian upstaged the ST on that front as well.

There were two little girls at the dinner and they were allowed to open most of their gifts that night, what they got & were ecstatic for were princess dresses. Their favorite movies according to the mom are Frozen & Moana. It's definitely not Star Wars which is too violent and long for their tastes.

So what's the future of Star Wars? Well the good news is that space westerns with magic powers still hold mass appeal. The bad news is that they totally ruined an elder Mark Hamill, who could have easily been in Star Wars productions for another decade. Hopefully Kathleen Kennedy will announce her departure soon so the sequel trilogy can finally fade into the background as did the stupid parts of the Prequel trilogy. Because no one is going to remember them, because they were made for a theoretical audience that never materialized.

Women like strong, confident men who are protective and have fatherly instincts? SAY IT AIN'T SO. I mean, the Mando has something for everyone.

I mean, the sequels are going to be forgotten, that I can tell you. There's nothing memorable about them. They're milquetoast, babyshit and utterly forgettable. Oh, I have no doubt about that. Girls are not going to be picking up blasters anytime soon.

And equally as big as a disappointment as Into Darkness that still goes out of its way to shit on the old for the sake of glorifying Disney's OCs.

Even if JJ wasn't a hack, the end result would still be the same since Kennedy and her story group made it clear from the get go that they wanted to devalue the OT and its characters and replace them with something more hollow and suited for the Current Year ideals.

The OT being devalued I think would have come from Iger, because Lucas was very shrewd with the deal and basically forced Disney to either spite themselves and lose money, or grit their teeth and give George money. They chose spite because Iger is a massive petty little bitch and basically Lucas completely and utterly outplayed him. Say what you will about his creative abilities, Lucas as a business man is fucking ruthless, and he single-handedly fucked Disney.

I mean, the man clowned a multi-billion dollar corporate entity who LOST MONEY ON STAR WARS. Think about that for a second. They took a 4 billion dollar property and made it into a 2.2 billion dollar loss. Like, that's a massive achievement and Lucas should be celebrated for how he rabbit punched Disney in the kidneys.

Because they have no old audience anymore and they're basically forced to piss in their own critics and shill's faces to make a profit on the thing. Fucking amazing.

 

[Vault Boy]

Also Corey Burton almost comes close to mimicking his glorious voice.

I think he did a damn good job voicing Dooku in both cartoons and Battlefront II. If they ever make an animated film dedicated to Dooku's fall to the dark side, I'd be more than delighted if they brought Burton back since he manages to capture the essence of Lee's voice.

 

[fishercat]

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WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH HIS FACE?
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Its like Disney really is trying to go out of its way to make the ugliest and most fucked up versions of old aliens imaginable. I've talked about this fat fuck before in the thread as being a donut steal version of a Nikto, but I didn't think he could get so ugly.
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I guess the TLJ commentary was right. Kennedy just wanted a carny freakshow for the background characters.

Maybe they're trying to make it so that people won't want to fuck the aliens.

 

[Dilligaff]

I'd like to point out that I and all my nerd lady friends not only love baby Yoda and the Mando himself, but we all love Cara Dune and the Mandalorian Armorer (did you see what she did to those stormtroopers?). Not one of us cares about Rey. Also for shits I watched a few nerd reaction channels and all the male nerds really liked Cara and the Armorer too - what was that about nerds not liking strong female characters?