Gross Anna Johnson / The Fit Vegan Ginger / Creation Nutrition / Anna's Organics Lynchburg - Jesus Freak, orthorexic, creator of vegan food monstrosities, munches to avoid getting a job

[bigshot]

She would start giving medical advice and get herself on the wrong side of the staff quick. I doubt she could even pull off being a candy striper. I think her only hope is to be an internet guru doing private consultations... and even with a sucker born every minute, she will still have trouble looking legit to anyone with half a brain.

 

[RacerDee]

I think she just doesn't like leaving her house.

 

[Picklechu]

Ana loves leaving her house. She leaves to exercise purge, go to thrift stores for new granny clothes, walk around cemeteries to post on IG, go to woo shops, go to hospitals, etc.

She just doesn't like leaving her house for things she doesn't want to do.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

She would start giving medical advice and get herself on the wrong side of the staff quick. I doubt she could even pull off being a candy striper. I think her only hope is to be an internet guru doing private consultations... and even with a sucker born every minute, she will still have trouble looking legit to anyone with half a brain.

That's one of the reasons she wouldn't even volunteer. Because volunteer is an anonymous job that she can't film or take pictures of as they protect patients identities. She doesnt' want that, she wants the validation that she receives online by her followers. Nobody's gonna tell her how amazing she is for doing her job every five minutes. She gets that from her audience online. The internet is great help for introverts as it offers them a way to practice their social skills without risking much, but it's poison for posers like Anna as they're quite skilled twisting the reality they show to others.

 

[bigshot]

Ana loves leaving her house. She leaves to exercise purge, go to thrift stores for new granny clothes, walk around cemeteries to post on IG, go to woo shops, go to hospitals, etc.

Not a lot of interaction with groups of people where she isn't the focus or chance of being challenged one on one in that stuff.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

I’m really looking forward to Anna getting kicked to the curb but her family is so messed up and weird, that I wonder how long they’d keep her around? Assuming she doesn’t drop dead from a heart problem caused by her ana-tendencies and munchiedom, I can imagine 50-year-old frail widdle girl Anna still living with mom.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

Let's look at how Anna is faring on Facebook Marketplace lately, shall we?

Someone purchased 5 pairs of Forever 21 leggings from Anna:

Now, you can buy 5 pairs of these leggings for $30 new at full price, secure in the knowledge that these clothes have never rubbed against Anna's abdominal wound. But wait! Using current available discounts, the same leggings can be had new from the manufacturer for $3.54 apiece, or $17.70 for 5 pairs.

My experience with Forever 21 leggings is that they quickly start to look ratty and fall apart from ordinary use and wear - a bad deal at any price!

A real-life acquaintance of Anna's bought her used hiking sandals for $25:

This was a good deal; the same style of shoes in the same condition routinely lists and sells for $45-$65:


Nobody has purchased Anna's open and partially used canisters of supplement powder for $10:

Contrary to Anna's assertion, this product is not necessarily "super expensive" - and never mind that Anna apparently received them for free as part of an influencer marketing campaign. You can buy a canister for around $12 on many sites, and with minimal effort, I found a vendor that lets you stack that sale price with a buy-one-get-one free deal and free shipping for first time customers:


Anna is also selling two sealed, unopened jars of Vitamin D supplement for $10. She does not indicate their expiration date; recall, she has been known to try selling expired product before:

For just 22 cents more, you can buy the same amount of the same product new, with complete confidence that it will not expire until February 2022:


Anna is trying to sell a new-with-tags pair of compression tights for $20. She can't wear them herself, you see, because they rub on her wound:

You can buy these tights brand-new for $18.69, secure in the knowledge that they have never rubbed on Anna's wound:


Someone bought a used workout top for $10:

This seems fair; the same top in similar condition seems to list and sell for $7-$12 secondhand. You can find the same brand of top on clearance in Kohls stores for $1.85 right now, but not with the same print:


Anna is trying to sell an old Juiceman Jr. juicer for $20:

This is a weird one, because the juicer itself does not seem to sell at any price:

However, some of its individual parts list and sell for $7-$18 before shipping. Someone could buy Anna's juicer, break it down, and sell the parts for about 3 times what they paid. Whether it is worth anyone's time to do so is an open question.

Anna is trying to sell a "barely used" steamer for $15:

Like the juicer, this steamer/rice cooker is an old model that has not been manufactured in at least a decade, and although you can find it listed in many places it does not seem to sell at any price:


Anna lists this "barely used" tilt table twice, for $100:

You can buy the same item new for $119, with free delivery:


Keno's dog crate is listed for $75, in "good" condition. As is familiar to anyone who shops secondhand items online, "good condition" usually means "used to death and beat to all hell."

You can buy the same crate, new, for $100 with free delivery:


And finally, some poor fool actually bought Anna's personal sauna for $75:

You can buy a new one for $89.99 with free delivery that nobody's ever steamed a poop bag inside:


It looks like many of these large, bulky items are being sold and removed from Mama Ginger's garage. They are pictured alongside labeled cardboard boxes that appear to have gone untouched since Anna's parents moved her out of the apartment several years ago. (You can see one of these same boxes in the background of the moving-day picture with the "wallamalla cake," for example.) It is possible that the old steam cooker and ancient juicer were extracted from the box labeled "kitchen" that has been opened behind the dog crate.

Good on Mama Ginger for reclaiming her space from Anna's hoard of wellness junk.

 

[Dysnomia]

Let's look at how Anna is faring on Facebook Marketplace lately, shall we?

Someone purchased 5 pairs of Forever 21 leggings from Anna:
View attachment 1072397
Now, you can buy 5 pairs of these leggings for $30 new at full price, secure in the knowledge that these clothes have never rubbed against Anna's abdominal wound. But wait! Using current available discounts, the same leggings can be had new from the manufacturer for $3.54 apiece, or $17.70 for 5 pairs.
View attachment 1072405
My experience with Forever 21 leggings is that they quickly start to look ratty and fall apart from ordinary use and wear - a bad deal at any price!

A real-life acquaintance of Anna's bought her used hiking sandals for $25:
View attachment 1072399
This was a good deal; the same style of shoes in the same condition routinely lists and sells for $45-$65:
View attachment 1072417

Nobody has purchased Anna's open and partially used canisters of supplement powder for $10:
View attachment 1072393
Contrary to Anna's assertion, this product is not necessarily "super expensive" - and never mind that Anna apparently received them for free as part of an influencer marketing campaign. You can buy a canister for around $12 on many sites, and with minimal effort, I found a vendor that lets you stack that sale price with a buy-one-get-one free deal and free shipping for first time customers:
View attachment 1072403

Anna is also selling two sealed, unopened jars of Vitamin D supplement for $10. She does not indicate their expiration date; recall, she has been known to try selling expired product before:
View attachment 1072402
For just 22 cents more, you can buy the same amount of the same product new, with complete confidence that it will not expire until February 2022:
View attachment 1072409

Anna is trying to sell a new-with-tags pair of compression tights for $20. She can't wear them herself, you see, because they rub on her wound:
View attachment 1072401
You can buy these tights brand-new for $18.69, secure in the knowledge that they have never rubbed on Anna's wound:
View attachment 1072406

Someone bought a used workout top for $10:
View attachment 1072392
This seems fair; the same top in similar condition seems to list and sell for $7-$12 secondhand. You can find the same brand of top on clearance in Kohls stores for $1.85 right now, but not with the same print:
View attachment 1072410

Anna is trying to sell an old Juiceman Jr. juicer for $20:
View attachment 1072396
This is a weird one, because the juicer itself does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072411
However, some of its individual parts list and sell for $7-$18 before shipping. Someone could buy Anna's juicer, break it down, and sell the parts for about 3 times what they paid. Whether it is worth anyone's time to do so is an open question.

Anna is trying to sell a "barely used" steamer for $15:
View attachment 1072398
Like the juicer, this steamer/rice cooker is an old model that has not been manufactured in at least a decade, and although you can find it listed in many places it does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072412

Anna lists this "barely used" tilt table twice, for $100:
View attachment 1072395View attachment 1072413
You can buy the same item new for $119, with free delivery:
View attachment 1072408

Keno's dog crate is listed for $75, in "good" condition. As is familiar to anyone who shops secondhand items online, "good condition" usually means "used to death and beat to all hell."
View attachment 1072394
You can buy the same crate, new, for $100 with free delivery:
View attachment 1072404

And finally, some poor fool actually bought Anna's personal sauna for $75:
View attachment 1072400
You can buy a new one for $89.99 with free delivery that nobody's ever steamed a poop bag inside:
View attachment 1072407

It looks like many of these large, bulky items are being sold and removed from Mama Ginger's garage. They are pictured alongside labeled cardboard boxes that appear to have gone untouched since Anna's parents moved her out of the apartment several years ago. (You can see one of these same boxes in the background of the moving-day picture with the "wallamalla cake," for example.) It is possible that the old steam cooker and ancient juicer were extracted from the box labeled "kitchen" that has been opened behind the dog crate.

Good on Mama Ginger for reclaiming her space from Anna's hoard of wellness junk.

I assume that Anna can't sauna purge anymore because of the poo bag. I hope Keno is doing well wherever she is. Mama Ginger should have taken the dog instead of Anna.

It's so gross that Anna is trying to sell those opened jars of amino suppliments. Since she loves selling expired, used stuff I wouldn't trust the expiration date being any good at all. Double the risk because it's already opened and Anna has feces encrusted rings adorning her fingers. This is a trip to the hospital waiting to happen. Just toss the jars and cut your losses Anna.

Why not be Christian and donate some of the non-perishables? It's the Holiday season Anna. If you take the juicer and steamer to a second hand shop it has a better chance of being bought. You are only losing a few dollars since those items are not selling and newer, better models are available that haven't been handled by hands covered in poopy rings.

Ideally, Anna should give the profits to her parents since they are the ones who paid for most of this stuff and are responsible for her financially since she has no income of her own.

 

[She Brings The Rain]

Let's look at how Anna is faring on Facebook Marketplace lately, shall we?

Someone purchased 5 pairs of Forever 21 leggings from Anna:
View attachment 1072397
Now, you can buy 5 pairs of these leggings for $30 new at full price, secure in the knowledge that these clothes have never rubbed against Anna's abdominal wound. But wait! Using current available discounts, the same leggings can be had new from the manufacturer for $3.54 apiece, or $17.70 for 5 pairs.
View attachment 1072405
My experience with Forever 21 leggings is that they quickly start to look ratty and fall apart from ordinary use and wear - a bad deal at any price!

A real-life acquaintance of Anna's bought her used hiking sandals for $25:
View attachment 1072399
This was a good deal; the same style of shoes in the same condition routinely lists and sells for $45-$65:
View attachment 1072417

Nobody has purchased Anna's open and partially used canisters of supplement powder for $10:
View attachment 1072393
Contrary to Anna's assertion, this product is not necessarily "super expensive" - and never mind that Anna apparently received them for free as part of an influencer marketing campaign. You can buy a canister for around $12 on many sites, and with minimal effort, I found a vendor that lets you stack that sale price with a buy-one-get-one free deal and free shipping for first time customers:
View attachment 1072403

Anna is also selling two sealed, unopened jars of Vitamin D supplement for $10. She does not indicate their expiration date; recall, she has been known to try selling expired product before:
View attachment 1072402
For just 22 cents more, you can buy the same amount of the same product new, with complete confidence that it will not expire until February 2022:
View attachment 1072409

Anna is trying to sell a new-with-tags pair of compression tights for $20. She can't wear them herself, you see, because they rub on her wound:
View attachment 1072401
You can buy these tights brand-new for $18.69, secure in the knowledge that they have never rubbed on Anna's wound:
View attachment 1072406

Someone bought a used workout top for $10:
View attachment 1072392
This seems fair; the same top in similar condition seems to list and sell for $7-$12 secondhand. You can find the same brand of top on clearance in Kohls stores for $1.85 right now, but not with the same print:
View attachment 1072410

Anna is trying to sell an old Juiceman Jr. juicer for $20:
View attachment 1072396
This is a weird one, because the juicer itself does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072411
However, some of its individual parts list and sell for $7-$18 before shipping. Someone could buy Anna's juicer, break it down, and sell the parts for about 3 times what they paid. Whether it is worth anyone's time to do so is an open question.

Anna is trying to sell a "barely used" steamer for $15:
View attachment 1072398
Like the juicer, this steamer/rice cooker is an old model that has not been manufactured in at least a decade, and although you can find it listed in many places it does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072412

Anna lists this "barely used" tilt table twice, for $100:
View attachment 1072395View attachment 1072413
You can buy the same item new for $119, with free delivery:
View attachment 1072408

Keno's dog crate is listed for $75, in "good" condition. As is familiar to anyone who shops secondhand items online, "good condition" usually means "used to death and beat to all hell."
View attachment 1072394
You can buy the same crate, new, for $100 with free delivery:
View attachment 1072404

And finally, some poor fool actually bought Anna's personal sauna for $75:
View attachment 1072400
You can buy a new one for $89.99 with free delivery that nobody's ever steamed a poop bag inside:
View attachment 1072407

It looks like many of these large, bulky items are being sold and removed from Mama Ginger's garage. They are pictured alongside labeled cardboard boxes that appear to have gone untouched since Anna's parents moved her out of the apartment several years ago. (You can see one of these same boxes in the background of the moving-day picture with the "wallamalla cake," for example.) It is possible that the old steam cooker and ancient juicer were extracted from the box labeled "kitchen" that has been opened behind the dog crate.

Good on Mama Ginger for reclaiming her space from Anna's hoard of wellness junk.

What is it with munchies and thinking everyone wants to know their entire life's story, and why they're selling something. Just give a price, condition, and piss off.

 

[Ziltoid]

What is it with munchies and thinking everyone wants to know their entire life's story, and why they're selling something. Just give a price, condition, and piss off.

She might even have more buyers if she just did that. But at least it's nice of her to warn people of the radioactivity levels of the stuff she's selling.

 

[multiverse]

Look at Anna, pretending to be happy for a "cyster" (ugh) getting married. Anna is much more sick than her of course, which is why she's a widdle girl who can never get married.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Reminder that back in the middle ages, women faked all kind of diseases so they wouldn't be married off.

 

[Swagstika]

Let's look at how Anna is faring on Facebook Marketplace lately, shall we?

Someone purchased 5 pairs of Forever 21 leggings from Anna:
View attachment 1072397
Now, you can buy 5 pairs of these leggings for $30 new at full price, secure in the knowledge that these clothes have never rubbed against Anna's abdominal wound. But wait! Using current available discounts, the same leggings can be had new from the manufacturer for $3.54 apiece, or $17.70 for 5 pairs.
View attachment 1072405
My experience with Forever 21 leggings is that they quickly start to look ratty and fall apart from ordinary use and wear - a bad deal at any price!

A real-life acquaintance of Anna's bought her used hiking sandals for $25:
View attachment 1072399
This was a good deal; the same style of shoes in the same condition routinely lists and sells for $45-$65:
View attachment 1072417

Nobody has purchased Anna's open and partially used canisters of supplement powder for $10:
View attachment 1072393
Contrary to Anna's assertion, this product is not necessarily "super expensive" - and never mind that Anna apparently received them for free as part of an influencer marketing campaign. You can buy a canister for around $12 on many sites, and with minimal effort, I found a vendor that lets you stack that sale price with a buy-one-get-one free deal and free shipping for first time customers:
View attachment 1072403

Anna is also selling two sealed, unopened jars of Vitamin D supplement for $10. She does not indicate their expiration date; recall, she has been known to try selling expired product before:
View attachment 1072402
For just 22 cents more, you can buy the same amount of the same product new, with complete confidence that it will not expire until February 2022:
View attachment 1072409

Anna is trying to sell a new-with-tags pair of compression tights for $20. She can't wear them herself, you see, because they rub on her wound:
View attachment 1072401
You can buy these tights brand-new for $18.69, secure in the knowledge that they have never rubbed on Anna's wound:
View attachment 1072406

Someone bought a used workout top for $10:
View attachment 1072392
This seems fair; the same top in similar condition seems to list and sell for $7-$12 secondhand. You can find the same brand of top on clearance in Kohls stores for $1.85 right now, but not with the same print:
View attachment 1072410

Anna is trying to sell an old Juiceman Jr. juicer for $20:
View attachment 1072396
This is a weird one, because the juicer itself does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072411
However, some of its individual parts list and sell for $7-$18 before shipping. Someone could buy Anna's juicer, break it down, and sell the parts for about 3 times what they paid. Whether it is worth anyone's time to do so is an open question.

Anna is trying to sell a "barely used" steamer for $15:
View attachment 1072398
Like the juicer, this steamer/rice cooker is an old model that has not been manufactured in at least a decade, and although you can find it listed in many places it does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072412

Anna lists this "barely used" tilt table twice, for $100:
View attachment 1072395View attachment 1072413
You can buy the same item new for $119, with free delivery:
View attachment 1072408

Keno's dog crate is listed for $75, in "good" condition. As is familiar to anyone who shops secondhand items online, "good condition" usually means "used to death and beat to all hell."
View attachment 1072394
You can buy the same crate, new, for $100 with free delivery:
View attachment 1072404

And finally, some poor fool actually bought Anna's personal sauna for $75:
View attachment 1072400
You can buy a new one for $89.99 with free delivery that nobody's ever steamed a poop bag inside:
View attachment 1072407

It looks like many of these large, bulky items are being sold and removed from Mama Ginger's garage. They are pictured alongside labeled cardboard boxes that appear to have gone untouched since Anna's parents moved her out of the apartment several years ago. (You can see one of these same boxes in the background of the moving-day picture with the "wallamalla cake," for example.) It is possible that the old steam cooker and ancient juicer were extracted from the box labeled "kitchen" that has been opened behind the dog crate.

Good on Mama Ginger for reclaiming her space from Anna's hoard of wellness junk.

I'm a simple woman: I see someone put this much effort into mocking a lolcow, I press like

 

[Space Lobster Bat]

Reminder that back in the middle ages, women faked all kind of diseases so they wouldn't be married off.

Or become a nun. But Anna would never do that, it'd be WORK.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Look at Anna, pretending to be happy for a "cyster" (ugh) getting married. Anna is much more sick than her of course, which is why she's a widdle girl who can never get married.
View attachment 1074647

Is that an ultrasound pic of a dead embryo in the womb on that tree decoration?

 

[multiverse]

Is that an ultrasound pic of a dead embryo in the womb on that tree decoration?

Like morons, they're announcing a pregnancy in the first trimester. Though I can understand how excited a young woman with actual CF is to be able to have a child, that shit is unwise.

I can't believe Anna is promoting something as icky and grown up as having a baby. You have to touch a penis to have a baby, and that makes Daddy God cry!

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Like morons, they're announcing a pregnancy in the first trimester. Though I can understand how excited a young woman with actual CF is to be able to have a child, that shit is unwise.

I can't believe Anna is promoting something as icky and grown up as having a baby. You have to touch a penis to have a baby, and that makes Daddy God cry!

Let’s just hope to hell this the husband was checked for the CF gene. At least if he doesn’t have it the child will only be carrier for the CF gene, but not have the disease.

Let’s just hope to hell the husband was checked for the CF gene. At least if he doesn’t have the gene the child will only be carrier for the CF gene, but not have the disease.

Women with CF usually have no problem getting pregnant but I can’t really think it’s some Hallmark movie moment because there’s a very high chance the mother will be to ill to care for the child within a decade and/or will be forcing their child to watch its mother slowly die or wait on transplant lists for years. It’s a pretty grim future, but I’m sure everyone on their IG feed is just happy emojis and drunk on embryo photos instead of any big picture thinking.

 

[saralovesjuicyfruit]

Let's look at how Anna is faring on Facebook Marketplace lately, shall we?

Someone purchased 5 pairs of Forever 21 leggings from Anna:
View attachment 1072397
Now, you can buy 5 pairs of these leggings for $30 new at full price, secure in the knowledge that these clothes have never rubbed against Anna's abdominal wound. But wait! Using current available discounts, the same leggings can be had new from the manufacturer for $3.54 apiece, or $17.70 for 5 pairs.
View attachment 1072405
My experience with Forever 21 leggings is that they quickly start to look ratty and fall apart from ordinary use and wear - a bad deal at any price!

A real-life acquaintance of Anna's bought her used hiking sandals for $25:
View attachment 1072399
This was a good deal; the same style of shoes in the same condition routinely lists and sells for $45-$65:
View attachment 1072417

Nobody has purchased Anna's open and partially used canisters of supplement powder for $10:
View attachment 1072393
Contrary to Anna's assertion, this product is not necessarily "super expensive" - and never mind that Anna apparently received them for free as part of an influencer marketing campaign. You can buy a canister for around $12 on many sites, and with minimal effort, I found a vendor that lets you stack that sale price with a buy-one-get-one free deal and free shipping for first time customers:
View attachment 1072403

Anna is also selling two sealed, unopened jars of Vitamin D supplement for $10. She does not indicate their expiration date; recall, she has been known to try selling expired product before:
View attachment 1072402
For just 22 cents more, you can buy the same amount of the same product new, with complete confidence that it will not expire until February 2022:
View attachment 1072409

Anna is trying to sell a new-with-tags pair of compression tights for $20. She can't wear them herself, you see, because they rub on her wound:
View attachment 1072401
You can buy these tights brand-new for $18.69, secure in the knowledge that they have never rubbed on Anna's wound:
View attachment 1072406

Someone bought a used workout top for $10:
View attachment 1072392
This seems fair; the same top in similar condition seems to list and sell for $7-$12 secondhand. You can find the same brand of top on clearance in Kohls stores for $1.85 right now, but not with the same print:
View attachment 1072410

Anna is trying to sell an old Juiceman Jr. juicer for $20:
View attachment 1072396
This is a weird one, because the juicer itself does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072411
However, some of its individual parts list and sell for $7-$18 before shipping. Someone could buy Anna's juicer, break it down, and sell the parts for about 3 times what they paid. Whether it is worth anyone's time to do so is an open question.

Anna is trying to sell a "barely used" steamer for $15:
View attachment 1072398
Like the juicer, this steamer/rice cooker is an old model that has not been manufactured in at least a decade, and although you can find it listed in many places it does not seem to sell at any price:
View attachment 1072412

Anna lists this "barely used" tilt table twice, for $100:
View attachment 1072395View attachment 1072413
You can buy the same item new for $119, with free delivery:
View attachment 1072408

Keno's dog crate is listed for $75, in "good" condition. As is familiar to anyone who shops secondhand items online, "good condition" usually means "used to death and beat to all hell."
View attachment 1072394
You can buy the same crate, new, for $100 with free delivery:
View attachment 1072404

And finally, some poor fool actually bought Anna's personal sauna for $75:
View attachment 1072400
You can buy a new one for $89.99 with free delivery that nobody's ever steamed a poop bag inside:
View attachment 1072407

It looks like many of these large, bulky items are being sold and removed from Mama Ginger's garage. They are pictured alongside labeled cardboard boxes that appear to have gone untouched since Anna's parents moved her out of the apartment several years ago. (You can see one of these same boxes in the background of the moving-day picture with the "wallamalla cake," for example.) It is possible that the old steam cooker and ancient juicer were extracted from the box labeled "kitchen" that has been opened behind the dog crate.

Good on Mama Ginger for reclaiming her space from Anna's hoard of wellness junk.

Why don't they just have a real-life garage sale? People show up to those almost as a hobby and buy things on impulse. She'd have to lower some of her prices, but she'd probably still make more money anyway because people would actually buy the things. She could even help her mom organize and indoor church garage sale or something and unload some of her crap there. She wouldn't even have to pay to ship it to anyone.

 

[Picklechu]

Why don't they just have a real-life garage sale? People show up to those almost as a hobby and buy things on impulse. She'd have to lower some of her prices, but she'd probably still make more money anyway because people would actually buy the things. She could even help her mom organize and indoor church garage sale or something and unload some of her crap there. She wouldn't even have to pay to ship it to anyone.

Widdle gorls can't run a garage sale while lying on the couch.

 

[GreggyLuke]

Women with CF usually have no problem getting pregnant but I can’t really think it’s some Hallmark movie moment because there’s a very high chance the mother will be to ill to care for the child within a decade and/or will be forcing their child to watch its mother slowly die or wait on transplant lists for years. It’s a pretty grim future, but I’m sure everyone on their IG feed is just happy emojis and drunk on embryo photos instead of any big picture thinking.

Indeed, they usually don't have trouble, but there's a good chance the pregnancy will exacerbate symptoms... so the grimness is even closer at hand than that.