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I've got friendships. Friendships are very easy to get. That's why they call it the friendzone.

A while back I got rid of 4 female friends because they had trod on some principles.
The friendzone doesn't exist. It's something people made up because they got angry about their basic human courtesy not automatically getting rewarded by sex and romance. People who seem to believe that human relationships are some sort of contract where, if the guy holds up his end of this nonexistent deal (being nice) the girl should automatically sleep with him because they decided that that's her end of this bargain she never agreed to.

If you unironically use the word 'friendzone' you probably don't understand how people work. An article I read a while ago about the friendzone puts it better than I could.

"Relationships, both platonic and romantic, do not involve contracts, transactions, repayment or anything of the sort. In addition, a person simply being nice to their crush does not automatically qualify them as their friend’s soul mate or even as deserving a chance at a romantic relationship with this friend. Being nice is something that is expected of any decent human being in any social interaction with anyone else, whether there are romantic undertones or not."
 
"Relationships, both platonic and romantic, do not involve contracts, transactions, repayment or anything of the sort. In addition, a person simply being nice to their crush does not automatically qualify them as their friend’s soul mate or even as deserving a chance at a romantic relationship with this friend. Being nice is something that is expected of any decent human being in any social interaction with anyone else, whether there are romantic undertones or not."

It's their inability to understand this that makes them toxic individuals. It's ironic that the thought that they're owed sex and affection for being a "nice guy" makes them assholes and they can't grasp it.

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If only it was this simple right @mooooo ?
 
God damn this picked up while I was asleep. What's new? He now accepting questions or still bitching about his degree?
 
The friendzone doesn't exist. It's something people made up because they got angry about their basic human courtesy not automatically getting rewarded by sex and romance. People who seem to believe that human relationships are some sort of contract where, if the guy holds up his end of this nonexistent deal (being nice) the girl should automatically sleep with him because they decided that that's her end of this bargain she never agreed to.

If you unironically use the word 'friendzone' you probably don't understand how people work. An article I read a while ago about the friendzone puts it better than I could.

"Relationships, both platonic and romantic, do not involve contracts, transactions, repayment or anything of the sort. In addition, a person simply being nice to their crush does not automatically qualify them as their friend’s soul mate or even as deserving a chance at a romantic relationship with this friend. Being nice is something that is expected of any decent human being in any social interaction with anyone else, whether there are romantic undertones or not."

Big surprise, you don't understand the concept of the friendzone.

The friendzone isn't when a guy is only a friend despite being nice, it's when a guy is only a friend because he is.

I actually wouldn't mind if a girl just wanted a guy as a friend because she wasn't physically attracted to him. It's honest, and there's not much we can do about physical attraction, and it doesn't say much about us personally.

I'll share a story as an example.

There was once a girl I knew. I would act a little cocky around her. I'd avoid answering her questions directly, instead choosing to interpret their meaning in a different, silly way, to tease her.
I wasn't a complete asshole, but I was a little douchy.

One night she got drunk and told me she had a crush on me, and masturbated fantasising about me. We made out a bit.

A week or so later, the same happened. But she was upset because of tough things happening at home, and started crying. I hugged her, to comfort her. By the end of the night, she decided we should be friends, and that her attraction was gone.

That's what I consider the friendzone. When their attraction is killed because you're a decent person.
 
One night she got drunk
By the end of the night, she decided we should be friends, and that her attraction was gone.

You know, maybe the alcohol played some part in these admittances...

And I mean, one hug does not a Nice Guy make and the attraction was likely due to an inebriated state.

Better examples, please.
 
I'll share a story as an example.

There was once a girl I knew. I would act a little cocky around her. I'd avoid answering her questions directly, instead choosing to interpret their meaning in a different, silly way, to tease her.
I wasn't a complete asshole, but I was a little douchy.

One night she got drunk and told me she had a crush on me, and masturbated fantasising about me. We made out a bit.

A week or so later, the same happened. But she was upset because of tough things happening at home, and started crying. I hugged her, to comfort her. By the end of the night, she decided we should be friends, and that her attraction was gone.

That's what I consider the friendzone. When their attraction is killed because you're a decent person.

Why would you tell us this? Not only do you make yourself look like a twat but you also violated this woman's privacy.
 
I hate to quote myself, but @mooooo, please read these posts Saul Goodman and I wrote earlier that you missed.
Ok, listen. I'm going to try to do you a favour here @mooooo, although smarter people than me have already tried. I'm really ashamed to admit it, but I used to think a bit like you do now, and if it wasn't for people taking the time to point certain things out to me and me ruining a good friendship I had because I was being a 'nice guy' I might have clung onto that bitterness and ended up a frothing loveshy.
But it's ok. You can stop. It's not easy to admit you were wrong about this sort of thing because it involves admitting that you have been quite self-involved and possibly a bit misogynistic, but it can be done, and you'll be a better person for it. You'll just have to accept a few things.

Firstly, 'nice' is not the same thing as 'good'. You should strive to be a good person rather than a nice one, because nice is the bare fucking minimum. Terrible people can be nice. Ted Bundy was nice. I mean sure, being nice is nice, but you need to be more. I was nice - I complimented people (well, girls), I was polite, I was never mean to people. But then I never really did anything for people either. And all the niceness was self-serving anyway.

Nice doesn't have intrinsic value to women because it doesn't have intrinsic value to anyone. And that brings me to my next point; women are people. Nothing more and nothing less. They aren't lesser beings who's opinions don't matter and they aren't golden goddesses to be worshiped and fawned over. Try to do this the next time you think or say the word 'women' - replace it with 'people'. Sooner or later you'll internalize it. They want what other people want, what you want, and that's to be with someone they find physically attractive who has things going for them and that they have chemistry/shared interests with. I highly doubt that you would go out with a woman that you found unattractive purely down to how nice she was to you. I certainly wouldn't, and that's perfectly fine.

I get it. I'm going to assume that you're probably not a happy person, and you've probably had things happen during your childhood (Bullying, family problems, social ostracizing etc.). You probably have severe self-esteem problems, as is the pattern with people like us. You probably lacked the confidence to just tell girls how you felt and accept the result, leading to being a love-lamprey that 'befriends' girls hoping they'll notice you. All shit I've done.
Also, taking rejection is harder when you're riddled with insecurities and it's easier to put blame on the person doing the rejecting than admit that you may have/be the problem. Unfortunately when this happens more than once a pattern forms, and it's easy to slip into the thinking of "Women don't like me, but i'm going to ignore all my glaring personality faults. So why don't they like me? Well, I'm nice. That must be it. Women just don't like nice guys, so ipso facto they must like jerks."

You're probably in pain, and a person in pain is an awful thing. But you can't start projecting that pain onto others just because you can't turn that pain on yourself. Here's the thing though; you have to. Examine all those faults you hate yourself for, and fucking change them.
I'm going to be blunt with you, you need to lose some weight, you need to get some better clothes, you need to fix the beard (either grow it out or shave it), and you need to expand your interests and hobbies. Also, make some female friends, and I do mean friends. Not someone you're going to pine over.

It's going to be difficult, it's going to chew you up, you'll end up ashamed of the things you've said/done and you might not be any happier on the other side of it. But you'll be close to being a 'good' person, rather than just a 'nice' one.

TL;DR, grow up, get a life and stop being a dick.

Okay, I can't believe I'm doing this, but since I was once pretty much exactly where you are, @mooooo , I feel obliged to give you Uncle Saul's advice about the ladies. It's similar to @Atsimuel 's advice above (which is excellent), but slightly more detail-oriented, because I'm a sperg:

Point 1: Women care about looks almost exactly as much as men do. Men seem to care more because we are taught to lift up our wives/gfs as trophies, but we actually do care about personality -- trust me, dating a hot but crazy/spiteful girl gets old *fast*. Likewise, women seem to care less because they are taught not to be "shallow." Nevertheless, we *all* care about looks. And that's okay. We want to have sex with people who turn us on. Which leaves you with two options: (a) Lower your expectations, or (b) Stop being lazy and get in shape. From your OKC pic, you have a symmetrical face, decent skin, and good bone structure. Work out 45 minutes a day, four times a week, or play football for an hour three to four times a week (you live in the UK, so there shouldn't be any shortage of games) and you'll fix the fat in 3-4 months.

Then go to a queer salon and get your hair cut to something short-but-stylish and have them show you how to keep it up between visits. And for fuck's sake, shave those facial pubes (NB: Google Ulysses S. Grant. Unless and until you can grow a beard like that, you have no business messing with any sort of facial hair).

As for clothes, either learn to be fashionable (something I can't help you with), or do what I do: Three piece suits for work (get them tailored and do a little research on how to take care of them) and elsewise, leather jacket over dark t-shirts and jeans.

Yes, this takes a significant amount of effort. But on the bright side, all those girls who were out of your league? Not out of your league anymore. And then you can get laid and stop whining. And we'll all be happier.

Point 2: As Atsimuel said, treat women like people. More importantly, treat women like you treat men. Just let sex/romance be something that happens. If I want to go kayaking with a guy, I ask him to go kayaking with me. If I want to date a girl, I ask her out. At the end of the date, if I feel things have gone well, I lean in and kiss her. There's no pining, no wondering, no "working up the courage." You just go for it. And if she doesn't want you, respect her decision (trust me, it's not going to change). If she offers to be friends, take her up on her offer -- instead of feeling shame for being "friendzoned," you can feel happy about making a new friend.

And, you know what, I got rejected a lot in my late teens and early 20s. But I also had a *lot* of great sex. So get the fuck over your fear of being rejected.

I'm currently getting divorced. From a woman I spent the last six years with. Who I have a child with. And I did everything I could to get her to stay. And she left me anyway. That's rejection. That's pain. Some chick you've known for a week saying she doesn't want to date you? Get the fuck over it.

Stop trying to "stealth date" and obsess unhealthily over women who are out of your league. Be up front and honest with them -- yes, you'll get rejected more, but you'll also have healthier relationships with all women, and eventually find ones who want to be romantically involved with you. Which, again, means you can stop whining.

So take your Uncle Saul's advice. We'll all be happier.
 
Big surprise, you don't understand the concept of the friendzone.

The friendzone isn't when a guy is only a friend despite being nice, it's when a guy is only a friend because he is.

I actually wouldn't mind if a girl just wanted a guy as a friend because she wasn't physically attracted to him. It's honest, and there's not much we can do about physical attraction, and it doesn't say much about us personally.

I'll share a story as an example.

There was once a girl I knew. I would act a little cocky around her. I'd avoid answering her questions directly, instead choosing to interpret their meaning in a different, silly way, to tease her.
I wasn't a complete asshole, but I was a little douchy.

One night she got drunk and told me she had a crush on me, and masturbated fantasising about me. We made out a bit.

A week or so later, the same happened. But she was upset because of tough things happening at home, and started crying. I hugged her, to comfort her. By the end of the night, she decided we should be friends, and that her attraction was gone.

That's what I consider the friendzone. When their attraction is killed because you're a decent person.
The attraction was killed because holy shit look at your personality and mantitties, goddamn.
 
Big surprise, you don't understand the concept of the friendzone.

The friendzone isn't when a guy is only a friend despite being nice, it's when a guy is only a friend because he is.
Gonna stop you right there, that's not what happens. Any girl on here could tell you that. Any girl on the world could tell you that. Girls don't avoid relationships with specific guys because they're 'too nice.' That's something you tell yourself to avoid self-examination. I understand perfectly well what the friendzone is, and I understand as a result of understanding that that it doesn't exist. But feel free to talk to professional psychologists about how the friendzone is totally real, they'll tell you the same thing I'm telling you. It doesn't exist.
I actually wouldn't mind if a girl just wanted a guy as a friend because she wasn't physically attracted to him. It's honest, and there's not much we can do about physical attraction, and it doesn't say much about us personally.

I'll share a story as an example.

There was once a girl I knew. I would act a little cocky around her. I'd avoid answering her questions directly, instead choosing to interpret their meaning in a different, silly way, to tease her.
I wasn't a complete asshole, but I was a little douchy.

One night she got drunk and told me she had a crush on me, and masturbated fantasising about me. We made out a bit.

A week or so later, the same happened. But she was upset because of tough things happening at home, and started crying. I hugged her, to comfort her. By the end of the night, she decided we should be friends, and that her attraction was gone.

That's what I consider the friendzone. When their attraction is killed because you're a decent person.
Except that's not what happened. It sounds like you got her in a weak moment, and she did something that she later decided wasn't right for her, causing her to lose interest in a relationship. The fact that you think it's because you're 'just too nice' shows how incredibly conceited you are. Nothing more.
 
Gonna stop you right there, that's not what happens. Any girl on here could tell you that. Any girl on the world could tell you that. Girls don't avoid relationships with specific guys because they're 'too nice.' That's something you tell yourself to avoid self-examination. I understand perfectly well what the friendzone is, and I understand as a result of understanding that that it doesn't exist. But feel free to talk to professional psychologists about how the friendzone is totally real, they'll tell you the same thing I'm telling you. It doesn't exist.

Except that's not what happened. It sounds like you got her in a weak moment, and she did something that she later decided wasn't right for her, causing her to lose interest in a relationship. The fact that you think it's because you're 'just too nice' shows how incredibly conceited you are. Nothing more.

Do you ever worry about the validity of your worldview if it's only valid when you take people's experiences, tell them they're not true, and re-write them for them?
 
What exactly is your endgame here? What happened to every other loveshy asshole who came here and tried to awe us with his superior intellect is going to happen to you. We're going to mock you tear your pathetic arguments to shreds, and then mock you again with image macros until you run home and jerk off into a tear stained fleshlight.

We think you are an idiot and no one here takes your ideology seriously. What do you hope to gain from coming here?
 
Do you ever worry about the validity of your worldview if it's only valid when you take people's experiences, tell them they're not true, and re-write them for them?


the truth is that you have an inadequate dick and cannot satisfy your mail order lady boy wife
 
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