Manosphere Fonduman / mooooo - (he shits up our loveshy threads)

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WanderingVagabond said:
@Saney Am I doing this right? [fingers crossed]
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Yeah, that's fine.

Cuddlebug said:
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He also hits another lolcow cliche: he says that we're the sad losers with self-loathing.

mooooo said:
I think it's probably the people here who are unhappy. There's something in all this that suggests you're all trying to distract yourselves. There's maybe some elements of the dysfunctionality of these lolcows that you resonate with, that mirrors a part of yourself, and you attack it because you hate part of yourself. Why do you think you have to try and twist everything to suit this hate? Dating a girl online is suddenly a foreign order bride. A chubby girl is obese. She must not be putting out. She must just be escaping her parents. All these incel/LS stereotypes. It's amazing lengths to go through to try and maintain a worldview. This need to deride and hate must originate in your life somewhere.
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You know, I wish they'd come up with something new, most lolcows say this when they find this place. Mapdark, TJ, etc, etc.
 
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Saney said:
He also hits another lolcow cliche: he says that we're the sad losers with self-loathing.
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Atsimuel said:
Nice doesn't have intrinsic value to women because it doesn't have intrinsic value to anyone. And that brings me to my next point; women are people. Nothing more and nothing less. They aren't lesser beings who's opinions don't matter and they aren't golden goddesses to be worshiped and fawned over. Try to do this the next time you think or say the word 'women' - replace it with 'people'. Sooner or later you'll internalize it. They want what other people want, what you want, and that's to be with someone they find physically attractive who has things going for them and that they have chemistry/shared interests with. I highly doubt that you would go out with a woman that you found unattractive purely down to how nice she was to you. I certainly wouldn't, and that's perfectly fine.
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Okay, I can't believe I'm doing this, but since I was once pretty much exactly where you are, @mooooo , I feel obliged to give you Uncle Saul's advice about the ladies. It's similar to @Atsimuel 's advice above (which is excellent), but slightly more detail-oriented, because I'm a sperg:

Point 1: Women care about looks almost exactly as much as men do. Men seem to care more because we are taught to lift up our wives/gfs as trophies, but we actually do care about personality -- trust me, dating a hot but crazy/spiteful girl gets old *fast*. Likewise, women seem to care less because they are taught not to be "shallow." Nevertheless, we *all* care about looks. And that's okay. We want to have sex with people who turn us on. Which leaves you with two options: (a) Lower your expectations, or (b) Stop being lazy and get in shape. From your OKC pic, you have a symmetrical face, decent skin, and good bone structure. Work out 45 minutes a day, four times a week, or play football for an hour three to four times a week (you live in the UK, so there shouldn't be any shortage of games) and you'll fix the fat in 3-4 months.

Then go to a queer salon and get your hair cut to something short-but-stylish and have them show you how to keep it up between visits. And for fuck's sake, shave those facial pubes (NB: Google Ulysses S. Grant. Unless and until you can grow a beard like that, you have no business messing with any sort of facial hair).

As for clothes, either learn to be fashionable (something I can't help you with), or do what I do: Three piece suits for work (get them tailored and do a little research on how to take care of them) and elsewise, leather jacket over dark t-shirts and jeans.

Yes, this takes a significant amount of effort. But on the bright side, all those girls who were out of your league? Not out of your league anymore. And then you can get laid and stop whining. And we'll all be happier.

Point 2: As Atsimuel said, treat women like people. More importantly, treat women like you treat men. Just let sex/romance be something that happens. If I want to go kayaking with a guy, I ask him to go kayaking with me. If I want to date a girl, I ask her out. At the end of the date, if I feel things have gone well, I lean in and kiss her. There's no pining, no wondering, no "working up the courage." You just go for it. And if she doesn't want you, respect her decision (trust me, it's not going to change). If she offers to be friends, take her up on her offer -- instead of feeling shame for being "friendzoned," you can feel happy about making a new friend.

And, you know what, I got rejected a lot in my late teens and early 20s. But I also had a *lot* of great sex. So get the fuck over your fear of being rejected.

I'm currently getting divorced. From a woman I spent the last six years with. Who I have a child with. And I did everything I could to get her to stay. And she left me anyway. That's rejection. That's pain. Some chick you've known for a week saying she doesn't want to date you? Get the fuck over it.

Stop trying to "stealth date" and obsess unhealthily over women who are out of your league. Be up front and honest with them -- yes, you'll get rejected more, but you'll also have healthier relationships with all women, and eventually find ones who want to be romantically involved with you. Which, again, means you can stop whining.

So take your Uncle Saul's advice. We'll all be happier.
 
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Saul Goodman said:
Okay, I can't believe I'm doing this, but since I was once pretty much exactly where you are, @mooooo , I feel obliged to give you Uncle Saul's advice about the ladies. It's similar to @Atsimuel 's advice above (which is excellent), but slightly more detail-oriented, because I'm a sperg:

Point 1: Women care about looks almost exactly as much as men do. Men seem to care more because we are taught to lift up our wives/gfs as trophies, but we actually do care about personality -- trust me, dating a hot but crazy/spiteful girl gets old *fast*. Likewise, women seem to care less because they are taught not to be "shallow." Nevertheless, we *all* care about looks. And that's okay. We want to have sex with people who turn us on. Which leaves you with two options: (a) Lower your expectations, or (b) Stop being lazy and get in shape. From your OKC pic, you have a symmetrical face, decent skin, and good bone structure. Work out 45 minutes a day, four times a week, or play football for an hour three to four times a week (you live in the UK, so there shouldn't be any shortage of games) and you'll fix the fat in 3-4 months.

Then go to a queer salon and get your hair cut to something short-but-stylish and have them show you how to keep it up between visits. And for fuck's sake, shave those facial pubes (NB: Google Ulysses S. Grant. Unless and until you can grow a beard like that, you have no business messing with any sort of facial hair).

As for clothes, either learn to be fashionable (something I can't help you with), or do what I do: Three piece suits for work (get them tailored and do a little research on how to take care of them) and elsewise, leather jacket over dark t-shirts and jeans.

Yes, this takes a significant amount of effort. But on the bright side, all those girls who were out of your league? Not out of your league anymore. And then you can get laid and stop whining. And we'll all be happier.

Point 2: As Atsimuel said, treat women like people. More importantly, treat women like you treat men. Just let sex/romance be something that happens. If I want to go kayaking with a guy, I ask him to go kayaking with me. If I want to date a girl, I ask her out. At the end of the date, if I feel things have gone well, I lean in and kiss her. There's no pining, no wondering, no "working up the courage." You just go for it. And if she doesn't want you, respect her decision (trust me, it's not going to change). If she offers to be friends, take her up on her offer -- instead of feeling shame for being "friendzoned," you can feel happy about making a new friend.

And, you know what, I got rejected a lot in my late teens and early 20s. But I also had a *lot* of great sex. So get the fuck over your fear of being rejected.

I'm currently getting divorced. From a woman I spent the last six years with. Who I have a child with. And I did everything I could to get her to stay. And she left me anyway. That's rejection. That's pain. Some chick you've known for a week saying she doesn't want to date you? Get the fuck over it.

Stop trying to "stealth date" and obsess unhealthily over women who are out of your league. Be up front and honest with them -- yes, you'll get rejected more, but you'll also have healthier relationships with all women, and eventually find ones who want to be romantically involved with you. Which, again, means you can stop whining.

So take your Uncle Saul's advice. We'll all be happier.
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I wish I could give you a feels to go with that winner.
 
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Positron said:
WTF does that mean?!

Anyone agrees with that statement?
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Hmm. Perhaps I should have added a third piece of advice: Find a friend -- preferably a straight woman or gay man -- to edit your OKC profile.

This simply will not do.
 
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I will say this, @mooooo :

Women have a lot more respect for a guy who's up front about asking you out than they do for a guy who says nothing and expects girls to read his mind and make the first move. Even if she rejects that first guy, he tried. He put himself out there and he'll probably pick himself up again and move on. Unrequited love sucks, but better to take a chance and fail then to play it safe and never even try.

Those passive guys who expect women to reward them with sex for basic human decency? They are loathed by women. They are loathed by just about everybody, because they're not actually nice guys. They're entitled jerks. If a girl acted that way towards you, you'd probably resent her.

Actually, that's probably a good thing to think about: would you enjoy how you treat women if a woman treated you like that? If the answer is "no," then knock it off, because she probably won't appreciate it either.

Of course, I imagine this will go in through one ear and out the other because you're obviously smarter than everyone on this forum. Just like TJ Church.
 
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Cute Anime Girl said:
I hope with that just because Jan/Jace was actually able to pull this off, other people in the hot seat don't suddenly think they can pull this off.
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I wouldn't worry. Pulling this off requires a long-term commitment to change, something most lolcows (see, e.g., OPL) are incapable of. Which, in turn, means falsely claimed ruse cruises will simply lead to bigger and better lulz.
 
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Saul Goodman said:
Point 2: As Atsimuel said, treat women like people. More importantly, treat women like you treat men. Just let sex/romance be something that happens. If I want to go kayaking with a guy, I ask him to go kayaking with me. If I want to date a girl, I ask her out. At the end of the date, if I feel things have gone well, I lean in and kiss her. There's no pining, no wondering, no "working up the courage." You just go for it. And if she doesn't want you, respect her decision (trust me, it's not going to change). If she offers to be friends, take her up on her offer -- instead of feeling shame for being "friendzoned," you can feel happy about making a new friend.
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I would literally rather be a celibate hermit living in the mountains away from everyone else on earth for the rest of my life than date a guy who thinks I'm anything other than a person. Because the one thing I fear more than dying alone is ending up with a guy like @mooooo
 
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Holy shit. I went back and waded through the "Shy Hard 2" thread to get some context. Besides the lingering taste of vomit in my mouth, I have come away with the fact (which somehow didn't make it into this thread) that @mooooo actually already has a (mail-ordered) wife. His courtship is documented in all its cringeworthy glory here.

WTF, @mooooo ? Seriously. This whiny, woman-hating, "love-shy" bullshit is annoying from the "incel" crowd. But holy fuck. You're still at it. Knock it the fuck off. Stop whining. Learn to treat your new wife like a friend. In fact, actively work on forming a real friendship with her. And if you find yourself incapable of being friends with her, get a divorce.

Saying the kinds of things you say while being married is just fucking pathetic, dude. You've officially supplanted Christian Weston Motherfucking Chandler for third place on my list of "Kiwi personalities who make me lose hope for the future of humanity." You're hanging out with @Holden and Nick Bate now, my friend. That is some fucking rarefied air right there.

Sweet Jesus, son of Mary, wife of Joseph, not the father of Sweet Jesus you need to grow up, son.

And it still wouldn't hurt to drop a couple stone. Just sayin'.
 
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