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Trans Fat 41g · Dec 31, 2019

Cards are on the table for Trump to play his hand and hopefully his last plays are dealt again this time.

Be roundabout. Roundabout and not half-dicked to where we regress to getting more involved than we need to.

Christ 2020 is a multi-dimensional race to the finish for voter incentives if the resolution gets dragged out.

Even though that last bit is regardless of that, but still.

It's HK-47 · Dec 31, 2019

Please try and remember the last three dozen times that the media tried to whip everyone into a panic about the next WW3 or Desert Storm or Korean War before anyone panics this time, too. If this administration has proven anything over the last three years, it's that it loves to beat the living shit out of a countries economy with sanctions more than it does anything else.

We didn't go to war with North Korea, we didn't go to war with Russia, we didn't go to war with Syria, we didn't go to war with Turkey, and we're not going to go to war now. The Iranian people aren't the target anyways, the target from day one has always been the Mullahs.

Iran is currently in the throes of a rebellion against the regime at the moment; any and all sanctions and penalties leveled against them on top of what they're already having to deal with domestically are going to be incredibly damaging. The Mullahs want to provoke a war, and that's exactly why they're not going to get one.

BONE_Buddy · Dec 31, 2019

Lucas Tomlinson on Twitter

“U.S. Army’s 82nd Airborne Division’s alert brigade has been issued orders to deploy to Kuwait amid unrest in Baghdad: defense officials At least 500 paratroopers are already flying to region.”

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Aircraft Spots on Twitter

“Three C-17As from Fort Bragg heading across the Altantic. Looks like #Iraq reinforcements.”

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“✈️ 2x USAF 🇺🇸 Boeing KC-135R 62-3540 QID534 61-0292 QID535 Departed RAF Mildenhall heading south. Probably going to link up with 07-7188 RCH893 & another C-17 heading across the Atlantic.”

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“750 paratroopers from 82nd currently being deployed as per confirmed reports.”

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750 real, rapidly deployable, paratroopers are bring deployed from the 82nd Airborne.

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“The Marine guards look calm, but all that separates them from angry members of Kata’ib Hizballah, the organization the US attacked over the weekend, is a glass barrier and a small Christmas tree. https://t.co/UWyE4MICN6”

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This entire thread is a very good feed of the events of this mob attack on the embassy.
I know it requires a click through, but it has the best description of events I have been able to find.

The point of the forces being deployed is to prevent another Benghazi situation.
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I will try to give a basic outline of events if this continues to be in the news headlines.

Stoneheart · Dec 31, 2019

ColtWalker1847 said:
Uh... do you not know what a Hezbollah flag looks like? Yellow background, hand holding an AK, chickenscratch lettering. There are three of them in the picture above. This is Iran backing religious paramilitary groups and rioters to destabilize a neighboring country. Make no mistake.

Only a dead Sunni is a good Sunni.
Iran is also much more interested in nationalistic movements than religious. they want sunni cannon fooder.
a Nationalistic, anti arab Iraq is Irans wet dream-

Jump · Dec 31, 2019

The worst thing Trump could do to Iran is nothing.
The sanctions are working. The government is looking at a revolution with all the economic suffering the people are dealing with. Iran has been reduced to being Russia and China's oil bitch while the Iranian people are forced to deal with 15 gallon a MONTH fuel rations and shortages of everything.
With the internet and smartphones creeping in the government can't control the reality anymore. Young people see what the world is like outside and they want to be a part of it.

Dec 31, 2019

Super-Chevy454 said:
And the Iranian government don't give a shit to its own people. That tweet is right on target.
https://twitter.com/ablrchi/status/1212028439433293825 ( http://archive.ph/PZ8DK )

Lol.. what are you even talking about? That picture shows Iraqis, you moron.

Meanwhile, Iranians just turned out in the streets in their millions to commemorate the similarly sized counter-demonstrations against the CIA 'green revolution' psyop in 2009. If Iranians didn't support the legitimate government of Iran, if Iraqis didn't want the Zionist occupying forces out of their country, Trump and his boss Jared Kushner wouldn't be agitating for war with Iran and deliberately putting 'trip wire' forces in to 'defend' their terrorist base in Iraq.

ColtWalker1847 · Dec 31, 2019

Stoneheart said:
Only a dead Sunni is a good Sunni.
Iran is also much more interested in nationalistic movements than religious. they want sunni cannon fooder.
a Nationalistic, anti arab Iraq is Irans wet dream-

They want to make an Iraq where their proxy militia runs the countryside and the central government is a divided broken shitmess unable to oppose them all done along religious and tribal lines. Lebanon Mark II, basically.

3119967d0c said:
Meanwhile, Iranians just turned out in the streets in their millions to commemorate the similarly sized counter-demonstrations against the CIA 'green revolution' psyop in 2009.

Oh yeah that's the one where the Basij were "counter-demonstrating" by launching themselves into the protestors with crowbars and baseball bats. Quite the CIA psyop that.

Must be nice having a pretorian goon squad you can whistle up to bust heads whenever the peasants stop toeing the line.

Stoneheart · Dec 31, 2019

ColtWalker1847 said:
They want to make an Iraq where their proxy militia runs the countryside and the central government is a divided broken shitmess unable to oppose them.

That would be a massive improvement to todays iraq.

ColtWalker1847 said:
Lebanon Mark II, basically.

Iran is working hard to form an antisunni coalition there. helping christians in syria will go along way of mending the rift between christians and Shia in Lebanon.
Todays situation isnt that bad, they have the same problems as the west, Jews and Sunnis.

RodgerDodger · Dec 31, 2019

Ped Xing said:
I'm honestly optimistic. Trump likes to talk shit. It makes everyone else shit their pants, since the four presidents before him would never talk like that, but would invade, bomb, and destroy.

I hope foreigners keep not figuring out that Trump's not anxious to start a war.

In this case not directly starting military shit with Iran is the better play, because it's what the Mullah's want. That's what this is all about. The Iranian Government is facing a huge crisis right now. People are openly protesting in the streets against them, widespread in all cities. Largely on economic and domestic issues. The people are utterly sick of Iran funneling all of their money to the various military projects throughout the Middle East, such as Hezbolah, Syria, Yemen etc. They want all spending be domestic. So this Embassy attack is Iran trying to engineer an external crisis in order to bring about an external military threat to Iran itself to unite the people back behind them. Trump's best play is to hammer the sanctions even further. If he must take military action than simply blockade the ports and strangle Iranian trade.

thx1138 · Dec 31, 2019

ShortBusDriver said:
Iran's only operational fighters are F4 Phantoms, 1950s relics they have to source parts for from museums.

Iran has a handful (anywhere from 20-70 depending on who you ask) of operational F14's, that have received service and upgrades (mostly in the form of parts reverse engineered locally or reworked by the Russians, the latter in exchange for loads of tech data on US weapon systems in the late 70s and early 80s), a few MiG's that flew there in '91 when the Iraqi airforce tried to salvage some of what was left of itself...Iran offered safe harbor, and then promptly refused to return the planes. They also fly a fleet (again, 20-40 or so) modified F-5 Tiger IIs that they've been tinkering with. They claim they "can produce" an indigenous fighter based on the airframe that is at least 4th gen, called the Saeeqh but I wouldn't believe that as far as I can throw it. I've seen some vismod F5's with split tail fins reminiscent of the F18 (which is funny considering the F18 is an evolutionary great-great-great-great grandchild of the T38, which begat the F5, which begat the YF-17 that was the competitor to the F16 for the USAF's lightweight fighter competition, and the YF-17 became the F18...anyway...)

Yeah, they also have a shitload of F4's, but those are in pretty good shape thanks to round-about assistance from (((some nations))) (including Turkey) in the Middle East. The F4 is still very much in use in some parts of the world, so there's plenty of new-old-stock parts to be found for it. Also it's a 1960s era fighter, not 1950s.

They also have some MiG-29s and other Russian aircraft including (allegedly) some SU-27s.

However, optimistically, they have around 200 combat aircraft. How many could be made hot and gotten into the air once the cruise missiles start flying is the question, but it's more than just the F4's. But they're no threat to a squadron of F22s clubbing them from 40 miles away, totally unseen.

On the ground, they're even more of a joke. Their tank forces are made out of cobbled together 1960s era British and US tanks. Their locally grown vis-modded M1-look-alike, the Zulfiqar, is pathetic. It's slab armor welded on to an M60 or M48. It looks like a 5th gen. MBT but I promise you it'd melt like butter in a microwave if it got hit by a Javelin or Hellfire missile. I've seen photos of the inside, and there's tanks on concrete slabs outside US military bases that are better kept up.

Iran's military is exactly zero danger to the US, which is why they don't just roll 5 or 6 divisions into eastern Iraq. They'd be dead in 24 hours, every last one of the sons of bitches.

Sexy Senior Citizen · Dec 31, 2019

ColtWalker1847 said:
More ways than that. Iran is involved in like a dozen proxy wars right now. The US could make a lot of trouble for them by supporting the opposition. Shit, just giving the greenlight to Israel to wipe out Hezzie positions in south Lebanon and Syria would set them back a fair bit. Ditto that Yemen shitshow with the Saudis and Gulf States. A couple Hadi-aligned fishermen might just find some TOW missiles to lob at Iranian oil terminals too. Who knows.

I'm going to tell you a little story about why proxy wars don't work.
In 1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, with backing from the now-communist Afghan government. Fighting back was a group of Muslim militias, one of which was led by a bearded fellow named Osama bin-Laden. The United States went to bin-Laden and the other militia leaders, offering financial backing, weapons, and training in return for them bleeding the Soviets dry of men, money, and materiel, and the militias agreed. The war would last until 1989.
This is only one story of several, but the moral is the same: many of the problems we have in the world today are due to the United States fighting proxy wars in the Cold War. We supported the opposition only for the opposition to turn on us when Soviet Russia fell.
Be careful about whom you support.

ShortBusDriver · Dec 31, 2019

thx1138 said:
Iran has a handful (anywhere from 20-70 depending on who you ask) of operational F14's, that have received service and upgrades (mostly in the form of parts reverse engineered locally or reworked by the Russians, the latter in exchange for loads of tech data on US weapon systems in the late 70s and early 80s), a few MiG's that flew there in '91 when the Iraqi airforce tried to salvage some of what was left of itself...Iran offered safe harbor, and then promptly refused to return the planes. They also fly a fleet (again, 20-40 or so) modified F-5 Tiger IIs that they've been tinkering with. They claim they "can produce" an indigenous fighter based on the airframe that is at least 4th gen, called the Saeeqh but I wouldn't believe that as far as I can throw it. I've seen some vismod F5's with split tail fins reminiscent of the F18 (which is funny considering the F18 is an evolutionary great-great-great-great grandchild of the T38, which begat the F5, which begat the YF-17 that was the competitor to the F16 for the USAF's lightweight fighter competition, and the YF-17 became the F18...anyway...)

Yeah, they also have a shitload of F4's, but those are in pretty good shape thanks to round-about assistance from (((some nations))) (including Turkey) in the Middle East. The F4 is still very much in use in some parts of the world, so there's plenty of new-old-stock parts to be found for it. Also it's a 1960s era fighter, not 1950s.

They also have some MiG-29s and other Russian aircraft including (allegedly) some SU-27s.

However, optimistically, they have around 200 combat aircraft. How many could be made hot and gotten into the air once the cruise missiles start flying is the question, but it's more than just the F4's. But they're no threat to a squadron of F22s clubbing them from 40 miles away, totally unseen.

On the ground, they're even more of a joke. Their tank forces are made out of cobbled together 1960s era British and US tanks. Their locally grown vis-modded M1-look-alike, the Zulfiqar, is pathetic. It's slab armor welded on to an M60 or M48. It looks like a 5th gen. MBT but I promise you it'd melt like butter in a microwave if it got hit by a Javelin or Hellfire missile. I've seen photos of the inside, and there's tanks on concrete slabs outside US military bases that are better kept up.

Iran's military is exactly zero danger to the US, which is why they don't just roll 5 or 6 divisions into eastern Iraq. They'd be dead in 24 hours, every last one of the sons of bitches.

Iran's home grown fighter the Qaher F-313 is a giant hoax.

Iran released this photo of it supposedly in flight, notice the blue lights around the tail?

That's because their the blue lights reflecting from the display when they showed it off in a static display.

RodgerDodger · Dec 31, 2019

thx1138 said:
Iran has a handful (anywhere from 20-70 depending on who you ask) of operational F14's, that have received service and upgrades (mostly in the form of parts reverse engineered locally or reworked by the Russians, the latter in exchange for loads of tech data on US weapon systems in the late 70s and early 80s), a few MiG's that flew there in '91 when the Iraqi airforce tried to salvage some of what was left of itself...Iran offered safe harbor, and then promptly refused to return the planes. They also fly a fleet (again, 20-40 or so) modified F-5 Tiger IIs that they've been tinkering with. They claim they "can produce" an indigenous fighter based on the airframe that is at least 4th gen, called the Saeeqh but I wouldn't believe that as far as I can throw it. I've seen some vismod F5's with split tail fins reminiscent of the F18 (which is funny considering the F18 is an evolutionary great-great-great-great grandchild of the T38, which begat the F5, which begat the YF-17 that was the competitor to the F16 for the USAF's lightweight fighter competition, and the YF-17 became the F18...anyway...)

Yeah, they also have a shitload of F4's, but those are in pretty good shape thanks to round-about assistance from (((some nations))) (including Turkey) in the Middle East. The F4 is still very much in use in some parts of the world, so there's plenty of new-old-stock parts to be found for it. Also it's a 1960s era fighter, not 1950s.

They also have some MiG-29s and other Russian aircraft including (allegedly) some SU-27s.

However, optimistically, they have around 200 combat aircraft. How many could be made hot and gotten into the air once the cruise missiles start flying is the question, but it's more than just the F4's. But they're no threat to a squadron of F22s clubbing them from 40 miles away, totally unseen.

On the ground, they're even more of a joke. Their tank forces are made out of cobbled together 1960s era British and US tanks. Their locally grown vis-modded M1-look-alike, the Zulfiqar, is pathetic. It's slab armor welded on to an M60 or M48. It looks like a 5th gen. MBT but I promise you it'd melt like butter in a microwave if it got hit by a Javelin or Hellfire missile. I've seen photos of the inside, and there's tanks on concrete slabs outside US military bases that are better kept up.

Iran's military is exactly zero danger to the US, which is why they don't just roll 5 or 6 divisions into eastern Iraq. They'd be dead in 24 hours, every last one of the sons of bitches.

I've seen fairly credible sources that seem to feel that at this point Iran's number of operational F-14's is in the low to mid single digits. 4-6 being the number most often kicked around. I think the most hilarious recent takedown of Iran's home grown airplane programs is the wonderful takedown of their F313 Qaher Stealth Fighter. That they rolled out and have paraded around. A boutique plastic model company Fantastic Plastic https://fantastic-plastic.com/fantastic-plastic-models-online-catalog.html made a resin kit of the plane. In making the masters for the kit their lead model maker. A truly skilled nerd named Alfred Wong (one of the best model makers in the world), realized that the plane being shown off used the wings from an old Mig-17, cut up and rearranged. There was no way it could ever actually fly. They cut up some old airplane parts and glued them back together into an approximation of what clueless morons would think a next gen stealth fighter would look like.

No F-22: Why Iran's Qaher 313 "Stealth" Fighter Is an Utter Joke

No F-35 either.

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Übertroon · Dec 31, 2019

thx1138 said:
Iran has a handful (anywhere from 20-70 depending on who you ask) of operational F14's, that have received service and upgrades (mostly in the form of parts reverse engineered locally or reworked by the Russians, the latter in exchange for loads of tech data on US weapon systems in the late 70s and early 80s), a few MiG's that flew there in '91 when the Iraqi airforce tried to salvage some of what was left of itself...Iran offered safe harbor, and then promptly refused to return the planes. They also fly a fleet (again, 20-40 or so) modified F-5 Tiger IIs that they've been tinkering with. They claim they "can produce" an indigenous fighter based on the airframe that is at least 4th gen, called the Saeeqh but I wouldn't believe that as far as I can throw it. I've seen some vismod F5's with split tail fins reminiscent of the F18 (which is funny considering the F18 is an evolutionary great-great-great-great grandchild of the T38, which begat the F5, which begat the YF-17 that was the competitor to the F16 for the USAF's lightweight fighter competition, and the YF-17 became the F18...anyway...)

Yeah, they also have a shitload of F4's, but those are in pretty good shape thanks to round-about assistance from (((some nations))) (including Turkey) in the Middle East. The F4 is still very much in use in some parts of the world, so there's plenty of new-old-stock parts to be found for it. Also it's a 1960s era fighter, not 1950s.

They also have some MiG-29s and other Russian aircraft including (allegedly) some SU-27s.

However, optimistically, they have around 200 combat aircraft. How many could be made hot and gotten into the air once the cruise missiles start flying is the question, but it's more than just the F4's. But they're no threat to a squadron of F22s clubbing them from 40 miles away, totally unseen.

On the ground, they're even more of a joke. Their tank forces are made out of cobbled together 1960s era British and US tanks. Their locally grown vis-modded M1-look-alike, the Zulfiqar, is pathetic. It's slab armor welded on to an M60 or M48. It looks like a 5th gen. MBT but I promise you it'd melt like butter in a microwave if it got hit by a Javelin or Hellfire missile. I've seen photos of the inside, and there's tanks on concrete slabs outside US military bases that are better kept up.

Iran's military is exactly zero danger to the US, which is why they don't just roll 5 or 6 divisions into eastern Iraq. They'd be dead in 24 hours, every last one of the sons of bitches.

Based on previous engagements between western and muslim air forces, the Iranians could have thousands of jets and it would still end up being a turkey shoot

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ColtWalker1847 · Dec 31, 2019

Sexy Senior Citizen said:
This is only one story of several, but the moral is the same: many of the problems we have in the world today are due to the United States fighting proxy wars in the Cold War. We supported the opposition only for the opposition to turn on us when Soviet Russia fell.
Be careful about whom you support.

Uh, what? You realize that the US only did that a couple times and the USSR did it EVERYWHERE, right? That the US funding of the muj in Afghanistan was just playing the USSR's game against them.

From the KKE in Greece to Shining Path in Peru to UNITA in Angola to Sukarno's Indonesia to Sandinistas in Nicaragua to Pol Pot's Cambodia to the "Emergency" in Malaya to Nasser's Egypt to the DERG in Ethiopia to EVERY BAATHIST REGIME IN THE MIDDLE EAST and pretty much every conflict of the Cold War involving communist rebels (which was a metric shitload) the USSR funded and backed them. The few times the US played dirty when the USSR stepped on it's dick is a drop in a fucking ocean of AKMs and RPG-7s.

Currently, if you haven't been paying attention, the Iranians are seeding Shia proxy militia/rebel groups all around the middle east. Mostly Hezbollah franchises. They are leveraging their religion (rather than political ideology) in the same way the Ruskies did to incide division to weaken their neighbors. It's only fair that the US plays that shit right back at them. And if the US doesn't the Saudi's will and we really don't want them in control of that.

SmileyTimeDayCare · Dec 31, 2019

Oskar Dirlewanger said:
Iran is a crucial strategic energy partner to countries like Russia, India, China and Turkey. I'm sure fucking with a country that is more or less directly connected to the basic everyday needs of like 1/4th of the planet's population, for literally no other reason but to swing your small, white, circumcised penis in front of the whole world, will not backfire at you at all.

I think you might have missed the obvious sarcasm.

Though 50% of that list you made is dependent on the US for their economy...so...ya know.

Oh there is also the fact that even combined the US outspends that group by billions. So, "small, white, circumcised"? How about huge throbbing weapons those fucking backwards fucks will never see coming.

Dragon is asleep again but you know...keep on nudging it.

KrusherKing · Dec 31, 2019

It's HK-47 said:
Please try and remember the last three dozen times that the media tried to whip everyone into a panic about the next WW3 or Desert Storm or Korean War before anyone panics this time, too. If this administration has proven anything over the last three years, it's that it loves to beat the living shit out of a countries economy with sanctions more than it does anything else.

We didn't go to war with North Korea, we didn't go to war with Russia, we didn't go to war with Syria, we didn't go to war with Turkey, and we're not going to go to war now. The Iranian people aren't the target anyways, the target from day one has always been the Mullahs.

Iran is currently in the throes of a rebellion against the regime at the moment; any and all sanctions and penalties leveled against them on top of what they're already having to deal with domestically are going to be incredibly damaging. The Mullahs want to provoke a war, and that's exactly why they're not going to get one.

For everyone's sake I hope your right, the last thing we need a another war in some shithole

MuuMuu Bunnylips · Jan 1, 2020

You can tell Trump is SUPER-CEREAL because he's using ALL CAPS.

MrTickles · Jan 1, 2020

I hope the US self destructs with an all out attack on Iran. It would utterly cripple the US economy and further deteriorate relations abroad while at the same time leading to even more domestic political polarization. It is evident Trump is the only person in the US government trying to avoid war with Iran, he's been keeping the walls locked from the likes of Bolton. But I don't think he can hold out anymore. Ironically the US president is all that stands between disaster and peace for America and the middle east for once. The swamp monsters want to start another Iraq but this times it would be Iraq x10 with costs x10 and regional collateral x10 with profit x10 for the Jewish lobby. I'm thankful they might finally get their way. It would lead to even faster relative decline for US influence abroad and open even more avenues for the likes of Russia and China to step in and take over. Trump is being a clever girl with his empty threats but girls can't hold swamp monsters back for long.

also, lol

Freddy Freaker · Jan 1, 2020

KrusherKing said:
For everyone's sake I hope your right, the last thing we need a another war in some shithole

Same. On the other hand, I remember the conveniently timed chemical attack in April 2017 in Syria and how Drumpft was gonna flood Syria with the blood of American troops for Shlomo.

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