YABookgate

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I could barely get through the first five minutes of this catastrophe. It's one thing to read these sorts of people's tweets, but quite another to listen to them actually speak. Imagine rambling and whining for almost a full hour because a book hurt your fee-fees.

We read Adam so you don't have to

adam by ariel schrag was.....in summary, a Rough Time add us on goodreads https://www.goodreads.com/eschergirl https://www.goodreads.com/juicelina email! the...

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"There was, like, one problematic thing every five pages."

They went there. They really went there. Jesus.

BTW, is the author of the book in question a Troon, or just a natal female with "strong features?"



I'm guessing natal female since saying mean things about trannies literally murders 57,147 of 'em every time they're criticized. But based on that picture I wouldn't be all that shocked. and "Ariel" seems like the sort of name a semi-literate troon would bestow upon themselves, Shakespearean sprite, etc. Often played by BOTH male and female actors.

Writing an actual, original story: ☹
Re-writing someone else's book but making the character's skin darker:

My favorite example of this? Take a look at The Scarlet Pimpernel (1905 ) vs. Zorro (1919) sometime. If you've ever read both novels, the parallels are ridiculous. To the point there's stuff in the Zorro novel that makes zero sense, but is there because it was in The Scarlet Pimpernel.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Having not read any of Adam apart from a brief description of its plot and some comments from the author, it appears that the work is meant to be a lighthearted satire. Since any satire that isn’t explicitly communicated in a “us vs. them” manner is too challenging for the average YA reader over 16 years old, I can see why they’d consider it problematic. The author is gay, but as we all known, that whole “own voices” rhetoric is thrown out the window if it doesn’t match the talking points.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Having not read any of Adam apart from a brief description of its plot and some comments from the author, it appears that the work is meant to be a lighthearted satire. Since any satire that isn’t explicitly communicated in a “us vs. them” manner is too challenging for the average YA reader over 16 years old, I can see why they’d consider it problematic. The author is gay, but as we all known, that whole “own voices” rhetoric is thrown out the window if it doesn’t match the talking points.

I read a couple scenes from it, seems it pokes fun of the identity politics obsession. The scene I read involved a group of gay SJWs saying that no one should be fighting for gay marriage rights because black people are oppressed and that gay civil rights should never be compared to black civil rights. All these characters were white and shut up as soon as a black character disagreed with them.

I can see why SJWs are salty about it.

 

[SnarkySperg]

I could barely get through the first five minutes of this catastrophe. It's one thing to read these sorts of people's tweets, but quite another to listen to them actually speak. Imagine rambling and whining for almost a full hour because a book hurt your fee-fees.

They sound exactly how I expected them to.

Having not read any of Adam apart from a brief description of its plot and some comments from the author, it appears that the work is meant to be a lighthearted satire. Since any satire that isn’t explicitly communicated in a “us vs. them” manner is too challenging for the average YA reader over 16 years old, I can see why they’d consider it problematic. The author is gay, but as we all known, that whole “own voices” rhetoric is thrown out the window if it doesn’t match the talking points.

I read a couple scenes from it, seems it pokes fun of the identity politics obsession. The scene I read involved a group of gay SJWs saying that no one should be fighting for gay marriage rights because black people are oppressed and that gay civil rights should never be compared to black civil rights. All these characters were white and shut up as soon as a black character disagreed with them.

I can see why SJWs are salty about it.

I'm glad to hear this. All I'd heard was how horrible it was, since it's about a straight cis white man pretending to be trans. And honestly, I would agree that's a problem...IF it wasn't satirical. Now it just sounds hilarious and I want to read it.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

We read Adam so you don't have to

adam by ariel schrag was.....in summary, a Rough Time add us on goodreads https://www.goodreads.com/eschergirl https://www.goodreads.com/juicelina email! the...

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"There was, like, one problematic thing every five pages."

They went there. They really went there. Jesus.

BTW, is the author of the book in question a Troon, or just a natal female with "strong features?"

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I'm guessing natal female since saying mean things about trannies literally murders 57,147 of 'em every time they're criticized. But based on that picture I wouldn't be all that shocked. and "Ariel" seems like the sort of name a semi-literate troon would bestow upon themselves, Shakespearean sprite, etc. Often played by BOTH male and female actors.



My favorite example of this? Take a look at The Scarlet Pimpernel (1905 ) vs. Zorro (1919) sometime. If you've ever read both novels, the parallels are ridiculous. To the point there's stuff in the Zorro novel that makes zero sense, but is there because it was in The Scarlet Pimpernel.

She's an an actual lesbian, not a "transbian" or whatever those people are calling themselves these days. She wrote some black and white autobiographical comics, which are pretty good if you're into that sort of thing. The negative reviews on Goodreads are so hilariously over the top that I'm now interested in reading a YA novel.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

They sound exactly how I expected them to.


I'm glad to hear this. All I'd heard was how horrible it was, since it's about a straight cis white man pretending to be trans. And honestly, I would agree that's a problem...IF it wasn't satirical. Now it just sounds hilarious and I want to read it.

Like, I get the distinct impression we aren't supposed to like the main character or support his actions, but SJWs have never been good at picking up on satire. Everything needs to be as cut and dry "This thing good, this thing bad" as possible for them to get it.

 

[SnarkySperg]

Like, I get the distinct impression we aren't supposed to like the main character or support his actions, but SJWs have never been good at picking up on satire. Everything needs to be as cut and dry "This thing good, this thing bad" as possible for them to get it.

Yeah, I never understood that. It seems very simplistic to assume that the main character is good all the time. People were pissed at Seinfeld for a similar reason. People are not perfect. Why should characters be?

 

[5ever a crab]

Yeah, I never understood that. It seems very simplistic to assume that the main character is good all the time. People were pissed at Seinfeld for a similar reason. People are not perfect. Why should characters be?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Jesus, this book's been review bombed.

"Where a trans man is, as some say, a man trapped in the body of a woman, Adam is a man trapped in his lie."

"Adam exploits the trans community, benefitting from the suffering and struggles for acceptance by actual trans men and trans women, in order to satisfy his teenage libido."

"But for me, the contrast makes Adam's actions more degrading, for he is acting selfishly in the name of love."

"Particularly confusing is the aftermath of the news that a trans woman was murdered for not disclosing her full identity to sexual partners. Adam seems incapable of recognizing the irony when he agrees with his high school friend that the trans woman should have been more forthright. And then he proceeds to be angry with another character for not having disclosed his identity as a trans man to Adam."

"I kept hoping that he would wake up in the end and that it would all have been just a wet dream. That everything works out well for Adam at the end sends the message that it's fine to exploit LGBT people for his sexual gratification, just as the author hopes to exploit the LGBT community to sell books."

The lack of self-awareness is so stunning and brave, yas slay qween.

 

[QuokkaCaptain]

This is paid service for by her publisher; part of being a book store clerk's duties is cycling in/out books onto the paid spots on the endcaps/featured sections/cashwrap weekly to drive visibility and thus book sales. Remember folks, book stores aren't making money just in books sold, they're also making money in placing certain books in advantageous places to play favorites.

Actually it's more of a manager/assistant manager job, because they usually didn't trust the pleb clerks to do it correctly, and it was a reason to not sit on a register or interact with customers, and they're the only people in the store who give a shit in case a district manager or secret shopper comes to check for adherence.

It looks like she's in a Barnes and Noble; and that's funny, because the whole "publishers pay to get the promotional spots" thing might be going away soon. B&N's new CEO isn't fond of the practice and may be scrapping or renegotiating it this year.

Can't say I'm surprised since the current authors and readers of these books have a fetish for preaching and being preached to about nonsensical things like this.

lol, what few readers they do get probably do.

Minor, relevant PL: I work in a bookstore, and while I can't claim that my district is representative of the entire U.S., I can say that the super-obviously woke books (like these ones) don't sell really well. We get somewhere between five and twenty of them, we sell maybe one, and then at some point they get listed in our system as "Due Out" (i.e. "it's not selling, send it back to the warehouse"). We send them back, we get maybe two or three of the paperbacks when they come out (if we get any at all) and those eventually get cycled out as well.

I mean, sure, you get the stuff like The Hate U Give- and some of that is genuine interest on the part of teenagers, but a LOT of it is driven by schools and reading lists. People come in looking for gifts, or required reading for their students/children, and the occasional book like The Hate U Give ends up on there because it's ~topical~ and ~woke~ and it really is what you should be reading, because it's so ~timely~. It's difficult to figure out how much of it is genuine interest on the part of the intended audience (and it's YA, so these teenagers that actually like the book today might feel differently ten years from now) and how much of it is being pushed by the parents and teachers; especially considering that people were getting screamed at on Goodreads for giving it one star reviews. The people who don't like it are probably smart enough to shut their mouths and move on.

But ultimately, kids like what they like. They like fantasy, they like humor, they like drama and romance; and even if some of them might put it in different times, or sugar-coat it so the woke mob doesn't lynch them, they don't like being preached at. The proof is in the pudding: It's not hard to see that authors like Sarah J. Maas, Sarah Dessen, and Michael Grant are selling ten times the books that these social-justice freaks are selling.

Also, just because I'm curious: Have any of you heard of Robin Talley? She's peak YA SJW author. Can't write a single book without lesbians as the focus- usually with one half of the lesbian pair being black. One book featured a "genderqueer" main character. Incidentally, she's also a prime example of the social justice movement eating its own: She writes a lesbian love-story between a white girl and a black girl in 1959 Virginia, and naturally her readers start screaming about how awful it is because the white girl is racist, something I presume changes over the course of the novel (I haven't read this clusterfuck myself and I don't trust these morons to be reliable historians). Talley is white, so naturally she is additionally shit on for this.

Honestly, it's just so fitting watching these people get shit on by the idiots that they're pandering so hard to. They wanted asspats, and they got a bitch-slap instead.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

(like these ones)

All of those sound awful, but this one in particular makes me want to commit die:

And then I scrolled down to the reviews:

Ugggggghhh. What do you even do when #WOKE isn't #WOKE enough?

I mean, sure, you get the stuff like The Hate U Give- and some of that is genuine interest on the part of teenagers, but a LOT of it is driven by schools and reading lists. People come in looking for gifts, or required reading for their students/children, and the occasional book like The Hate U Give ends up on there because it's ~topical~ and ~woke~ and it really is what you should be reading, because it's so ~timely~. It's difficult to figure out how much of it is genuine interest on the part of the intended audience (and it's YA, so these teenagers that actually like the book today might feel differently ten years from now) and how much of it is being pushed by the parents and teachers; especially considering that people were getting screamed at on Goodreads for giving it one star reviews. The people who don't like it are probably smart enough to shut their mouths and move on.

I've actually read The Hate U Give since people I knew in real life were raving about it, and I found it to be god-awful. A lot of YA authors have an issue where they try desperately to insert whatever slang they thing The Youths are using and just sounding extremely forced and cringey... The Hate U Give was 400+ pages of "HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW KIDS?" I was tempted to write a review but after seeing the train wreck that is its GoodReads page I decided against it.

Also, just because I'm curious: Have any of you heard of Robin Talley? She's peak YA SJW author. Can't write a single book without lesbians as the focus- usually with one half of the lesbian pair being black. One book featured a "genderqueer" main character. Incidentally, she's also a prime example of the social justice movement eating its own: She writes a lesbian love-story between a white girl and a black girl in 1959 Virginia, and naturally her readers start screaming about how awful it is because the white girl is racist, something I presume changes over the course of the novel (I haven't read this clusterfuck myself and I don't trust these morons to be reliable historians). Talley is white, so naturally she is additionally shit on for this.

Honestly, it's just so fitting watching these people get shit on by the idiots that they're pandering so hard to. They wanted asspats, and they got a bitch-slap instead.

Never heard of her before. The 1950s story actually sounds like an interesting concept, but there have been books about a character having their prejudices challenged that I'm sure are much better written. Just more proof that you should never try to pander to these people, one teeny mistake and you're next on the chopping block.

I thought it might be funny to write a story with all the minority checkpoints these people love (lots of POC, lesbians, transgender people, etc.), but make all the characters right wing just to watch the shitshow.

ETA: I looked up the Watch Us Rise book, and it has a lot of HAES nonsense in it.

Telling kids it's good to be obese is just as bad as telling them they have to look like pencil thin supermodels but whatever.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Not YA, but SF. SJW authors vs. Opie & Anthony fans, "coordinating attacks out of Russia." OMG. Contribute to my patreon to fight the trolls and the patriarchy, etc. Didn't think this merited a thread on its own. Looks like all the Q&A stuff accusing the author of being a pedo or whatever has already been wiped from GoodReads, but quite a few bad reviews remain.

Have no idea what website they're coordinating from, but since it is in Russia, you know they're serious. And evil.

Lax Security and Moderation at Goodreads Allows Trolls to Spoof People, Harass Authors

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Lax Security and Moderation at Goodreads Allows Trolls to Spoof People, Harass Authors

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Goodreads is currently experiencing one of the book review site’s largest-ever harassment campaigns as trolls spoof the identities of numerous authors in a coordinated attack against author Patrick S. Tomlinson. The spoofed accounts use the names and photos of Tomlinson’s fellow authors to post negative and attack reviews on the Goodreads pages for his books.
Examples of the attacks can be found on the Goodreads reviews page for Tomlinson’s book In The Black, which currently has 135 ratings and 121 reviews despite not being released by Tor Books until October 2020. Advanced reader copies aren’t even available as the book is still in the editing process.
Many of the spoofed accounts use the identities of Tomlinson’s friends and peers in the author community, creating the illusion that people he knows are giving one-star reviews and saying bad things about him. Dozens of authors have been spoofed in this manner, including the entire board of directors of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America.
Not all of these fake reviews are one stars – some give five star or other highly rated ratings. The catch with these highly rated reviews is many of them are created to give the false appearance that they were written by Tomlinson to raise his own Goodreads ratings, spoofing his name and photo and sometimes even using his own copyrighted writings. These spoofed reviews often also show Tomlinson falsely saying things which would hurt his own reputation.
Gareth L. Powell and Beth Cato were among the authors spoofed, with their photos and names used to create fake accounts to attack Tomlinson’s books.
“I spend a lot of time encouraging other authors and recommending books,” Powell said. “To have someone impersonating me in order to slag off novels undermines all that and makes me look bad.”
Powell responded by deleting his Goodreads account to avoid any confusion in the future. Cato complained to Goodreads about the review from an account impersonating her. However, a few days after she reported the fake review to Goodreads there were 10 more accounts spoofing her name, all attacking Tomlinson.
The families of authors have also been spoofed to attack Tomlinson. Three days after the father of author Cat Rambo passed away, someone used the personal information and photo from his obituary to post a negative review of one of Tomlinson’s books on Goodreads.
Attacks Succeed Because of Security and Moderation Issues at Goodreads
The coordinated attacks on Tomlinson arose out of his work helping to shut down a controversial Reddit community (see interview with Tomlinson below for more details). Since being banned by Reddit the attackers now coordinate through a website in Russia. Messages on this new site show they are using Goodreads for their harassment campaign because of the book review site’s lax security and moderation policies.
"The only policy (Goodreads) might change, and I say might is email verification and even that is a stretch,” said one poster on this site. “Thst (sic) would slow the trolls down by maybe."
This poster was talking about the fact that Goodreads doesn’t currently use true email verification prior to users setting up a new account. While Goodreads requires new accounts to provide an email address and sends a “verification” email to that account, new users are immediately able to review books and have their reviews and ratings appear on the site without actually verifying the email Goodreads sends them.
Goodreads also allows multiple accounts to be set up under already existing member and user names, as happened with many of the authors mentioned here. And while Goodreads allows authors and users to flag suspicious reviews, the site has no way for users and authors to report or flag individual user accounts. This allows a fake user to repeatedly post fake reviews before their account is shut down.
All of these security and moderation flaws are dealt with differently by almost every other major social media site, but Goodreads has yet to address these problems.
Tomlinson has complained to Goodreads and reported these false reviews, but for every account or false review that is taken down many more pop up.
Escalation of Harassment on Goodreads
The attacks on Tomlinson represent a serious escalation of issues at Goodreads, especially since previous problems with the site didn’t involve both coordinated spoofing attacks and targeted harassment.
For example, in 2015 author Chuck Wendig was subject to a campaign to give his Star Wars: Aftermath novel one-star reviews on Goodreads and Amazon after some fans grew angry over him creating the first major gay hero in the Star Wars universe. And around the same time the Stop the Goodreads Bullies campaign arose after a group of authors including Anne Rice complained about users posting "bad" reviews of their books on Goodreads.
However, in these cases the negative reviews were generally being created by actual users of Goodreads. And while Wendig’s situation was a coordinated harassment campaign, it wasn’t being run through fake and spoofed user accounts.
According to Tomlinson, the trolls behind this Goodreads harassment campaign have stated publicly that their goal is to drive him to suicide. And he says this campaign has definitely hurt his bottom-line.
“When you have a book out and you have 200 one-star reviews, that has an effect,” he said.
Tomlinson added that Goodreads needs to change their policies in response to these attacks.
“I’m not the only author this can happen to,” he said. “And if they succeed in these attacks, they’ll definitely go after others.”
# # #
Interview with Patrick S. Tomlinson
Jason Sanford: When did you first notice the issue of fake Goodreads accounts targeting your books with bad reviews and comments?
Patrick S. Tomlinson: This has been ongoing for more than a year. This particular group of cyberstalkers has been fixated on me since Sept. 2018. I first became aware of their existence when my Twitter account with 38k followers (@stealthygeek) was mysteriously suspended. It wasn't long before an eagle-eyed fan spotted them cackling with glee over their mass false reporting attack on Reddit. After that, they started attacking my Facebook, Instagram, YouTube channel, blog, and eventually my book reviews on Goodreads and Amazon.
Jason: Any idea who is behind all this? And why are they spoofing your fellow authors to make it appear your friends and peers are attacking you?
Patrick: I know exactly who is behind this. They're dead-enders from a now-banned Reddit community dedicated to the defunct Opie and Anthony shock jock radio show. As to why they're doing it, well, this has been their entire culture for years, picking random innocent people to cyberbully past the breaking point. That was the culture of the show, too. The hosts would encourage their listeners, who they called "pests," to harass and stalk whomever had the poor fortune of falling into their sights for whatever arbitrary reason. Eventually, the monster they created ended up destroying them when the pests turned on one of the hosts, Anthony Cumia, causing the show to implode. There's a great deal of karma at work there, but the community of obsessive trolling psychopaths they nurtured lived on and started picking their own victims to attack. I was not the first, not by a long shot. Previously they'd made targets of comedian Patton Oswald, trying to spread the libelous rumor that he'd murdered his first wife. They jumped around from there, preying on a transgender adult performer because of course they're transphobic, then singer-songwriter Logan Lynn for being gay because of course they're homophobic. In every case, their playbook is the same, right down to the entirely false accusations of pedophilia. Their attacks on Logan were so vicious and sustained that it was actually written up in People Magazine. Then, they fixated on me, which was a mistake. Their 27,000 subscriber subreddit, and thousands of their accounts, were eventually banned by Reddit for harassment and copyright infringement as a result of months of reporting their abuses. They thought they were invincible and could stalk and bully people with impunity, free from consequence. I proved them wrong. That's why they're so obsessed with me, enough to create literally hundreds of fake accounts stealing the identities of my colleagues in a desperate attempt to harm my reputation and tank my sales. No one ever hurt them before.
Jason: It appears your upcoming novel In The Black is being particularly targeted by these trolls, with many negative reviews even though the book won't be released until October 2020. What has been the response from Goodreads when you contact them about this issue?
Patrick: In a word, abysmal. The reviews you see are just the tip of the iceberg. Hundreds have been deleted, and hundreds of fake accounts banned. But the mods at GR, for whatever reason, never quite finish the job. The listing for this book went live around Dec 15th, and within a day it already had three dozen fake 1 Star ratings on it from impersonation accounts using names and pictures stolen from my Twitter followers. Goodreads was made aware of this immediately, but it wasn't until I grew frustrated enough to start blasting them on Twitter was any action taken. The problem persisted, though, because the stalkers would just make dozens of new fake accounts every day and leave new fraudulent reviews. Not just on this book, but often on every single listing I have on the platform. This ended up totally literally thousands of fake ratings and reviews dragging down my average.
Jason: Why do you think Goodreads doesn't recognize this as harassment?
Patrick: I don't know that it's a question of whether they recognize it as harassment or not, but of whether or not they care. As I said earlier, their response times have been terrible. My most recent book to come out, STARSHIP REPO, was targeted by these people from literally the second it came out. They had a an online countdown timer to remind everyone in their degenerate community to go to Amazon and Goodreads the day it published and flood it with fake reviews. That was in May. Goodreads was provided with screengrabs and other proof of this coordinated attack even before it happened, but took months to do anything meaningful about it. Meanwhile, in the first week of release, REPO had over 200 fake 1 Star reviews on it, dragging its rating below 2 Stars. The same happened on Amazon, although to a lesser extent because it's not as easy to create an amazon account. Even still, the most "popular" review of REPO on Amazon is a fake 1 Star review that explicitly accuses me of anti-Semitism, and goes on to "quote" specific pages from the book with characters and events that never occur anywhere in it. My publisher reached out to Amazon with scanned copies of the pages listed to prove that the review was not just lying, but libelous. Amazon did nothing, and the review remains to this day.
Jason: I saw one troll spoofing your name and picture post an extremely nasty, long-winded comment on Goodreads, discussing intimate details of your family life and making it sound like you want to kill yourself. None of this could be considered a review of your book by any conceivable means, yet Goodreads still hasn't removed it. What's going on here?
Patrick: It has been the publicly, repeatedly stated goal of this group's harassment campaign to drive me to suicide. They revel in performative cruelty and the perceived suffering of the people they torment. Nothing is beyond them, including creating identity theft accounts of Cat Rambo's recently departed father to further their aims of hurting the maximum number of people possible in the most vile ways. They've often created impersonation accounts of me, using my name and images without permission on multiple platforms to try and make me appear racist, sexist, homophobic, etc to the casual reader. Goodreads has removed many such accounts, but again it’s a problem of timing. Often these fake accounts are left in place for days, weeks, or even months. When their accounts remain in place for any length of time, the stalkers consider it a "win" and double down on the behavior because they know they've found a site with lax moderation that can be exploited. So instead of shutting them down immediately, they multiply like roaches, creating even more work for moderators as the problem snowballs.
Jason: What changes does Goodreads need to make in how they handle people spoofing authors and others and using their site to harass authors? Any reason Goodreads couldn't do like Rotten Tomatoes and block user reviews until the book is closer to release or actually released?
Patrick: There are a lot of measures Goodreads can take immediately to help curb this issue and slow these people down. First and easiest would simply be to require email verification for new accounts. That throws up a roadblock to creating masses of fake profiles. It won't stop them entirely, but you can see the difference in volume of fake reviews on GR compared to Amazon, then compared to say, Audible. From there, GRs needs to expand their moderation team and train them more comprehensively on spotting fake or abusive accounts. The signs are pretty obvious. Brand new account immediately goes and review bombs all of a particular author's books is a dead giveaway. Also, the reporting system needs to be expanded from not just reporting abusive reviews and comments, but to reporting entire profiles as fake/impersonation, etc. Every other major social media platform has a way to report individual users for bad behavior. GR should be no different. And for God's sake, if an author has a verified account on GR, there should be some sort of process in place to screen any new profiles attempting to use their name. Otherwise, what's the point of being a part of the GR author program? As for reviews coming prior to release, I think there's real value in letting reviewers who have gotten ARCs post their thoughts ahead of publication. It helps build excitement and word of mouth. It can boost preorders. However, there needs to be some sort of screening in place to ensure that people claiming to have read an ARC actually got one. Even just limiting early reviews to a list of trusted reviewers who get ARCs from publishers would go most of the way to solving this problem. Everyone else has to wait until the book drops. Simple.

Reddit thread:

r/Fantasy - Author Patrick S. Tomlinson the target of Goodreads harassment campaign

206 votes and 145 comments so far on Reddit

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Reddit at its most Reddit. I have no idea how to archive reddit. Keeps blowing up or hanging. Sorry.

Stuff on GoodReads they haven't got around to cleaning up yet:

In the Black — Reader Q&A

Readers’ questions about In the Black. 1 question answered.

www.goodreads.com

(Seems unarchivable, sadly.)


This is a pretty lame troll, overall. 3/10, would not look into again. Probably will help Tomlinson in the long run.

Edit:
Really?

In the Black

In a demilitarized zone on the border of human space, long range spy satellites are mysterioulsy going quiet, and no one knows why. Capta...

www.goodreads.com

Looks too big, even for a thumbnail, but it uploaded.
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Now I'm thinking, I'll bet we see a LOT of media coverage about this in short order. All SJW writers and readers use GoodReads and they all hate it. Doxing wamen in book reviews, for no reason I can figure.

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[QuokkaCaptain]

All of those sound awful, but this one in particular makes me want to commit die:
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And then I scrolled down to the reviews:
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Ugggggghhh. What do you even do when #WOKE isn't #WOKE enough?

I've actually read The Hate U Give since people I knew in real life were raving about it, and I found it to be god-awful. A lot of YA authors have an issue where they try desperately to insert whatever slang they thing The Youths are using and just sounding extremely forced and cringey... The Hate U Give was 400+ pages of "HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOW KIDS?" I was tempted to write a review but after seeing the train wreck that is its GoodReads page I decided against it.


Never heard of her before. The 1950s story actually sounds like an interesting concept, but there have been books about a character having their prejudices challenged that I'm sure are much better written. Just more proof that you should never try to pander to these people, one teeny mistake and you're next on the chopping block.

I thought it might be funny to write a story with all the minority checkpoints these people love (lots of POC, lesbians, transgender people, etc.), but make all the characters right wing just to watch the shitshow.

ETA: I looked up the Watch Us Rise book, and it has a lot of HAES nonsense in it.View attachment 1079709View attachment 1079710
Telling kids it's good to be obese is just as bad as telling them they have to look like pencil thin supermodels but whatever.

Lordy. I checked out the summary on that one when I first saw it, and let me tell you, I could barely get through it. And I honestly don't get what it is, but I feel like so many of these SJW books have absolutely shitty cover-art. Not all of them- Robin Talley's and Angie Thomas's (The Hate U Give) have decent cover-art, but recently I've been noticing a trend where a lot of the woke books have covers that look like they were drawn by a four year-old. You put out a published work, and you want that as your cover art, Renee Watson? Small wonder it's barely moved from the shelves in my store.

And lol, one of my favorite past-times is reading the reviews on books like this: They're either 5-star reviews from people desperate to virtue-signal how woke they are, or they're 1-or-2-star reviews from people who ruthlessly nitpick every possible thing, because "If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas" is a saying for a reason. You advertise yourself to the Cult of the Perpetually Offended and you better be prepared to be on the receiving end of that rage; but then, there's always a handful of True Believers that honestly never think that they'll be the ones on the chopping block next.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

I miss the days when people read in private and kept to themselves

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Lordy. I checked out the summary on that one when I first saw it, and let me tell you, I could barely get through it. And I honestly don't get what it is, but I feel like so many of these SJW books have absolutely shitty cover-art. Not all of them- Robin Talley's and Angie Thomas's (The Hate U Give) have decent cover-art, but recently I've been noticing a trend where a lot of the woke books have covers that look like they were drawn by a four year-old. You put out a published work, and you want that as your cover art, Renee Watson? Small wonder it's barely moved from the shelves in my store.

And lol, one of my favorite past-times is reading the reviews on books like this: They're either 5-star reviews from people desperate to virtue-signal how woke they are, or they're 1-or-2-star reviews from people who ruthlessly nitpick every possible thing, because "If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas" is a saying for a reason. You advertise yourself to the Cult of the Perpetually Offended and you better be prepared to be on the receiving end of that rage; but then, there's always a handful of True Believers that honestly never think that they'll be the ones on the chopping block next.

I found another review of it that cracked me up,

Spoiler

Honestly after reading this review I am shocked that this book isn't some sort of stealth parody. But, looking at the authors' other books, I can tell it's meant to be genuine. This Chelsea character sounds like Titania McGrath (a parody Twitter account that satirizes woke culture), only we're supposed to actually take her seriously.

 

[GeorgiaGuidestones]

Not YA, but SF. SJW authors vs. Opie & Anthony fans, "coordinating attacks out of Russia." OMG. Contribute to my patreon to fight the trolls and the patriarchy, etc. Didn't think this merited a thread on its own. Looks like all the Q&A stuff accusing the author of being a pedo or whatever has already been wiped from GoodReads, but quite a few bad reviews remain.

Have no idea what website they're coordinating from, but since it is in Russia, you know they're serious. And evil.

Lax Security and Moderation at Goodreads Allows Trolls to Spoof People, Harass Authors

http://archive.li/aZtLq

Sorry that the formatting sucks, but not sorry enough to fix it...Go read the archive.


Reddit thread:

r/Fantasy - Author Patrick S. Tomlinson the target of Goodreads harassment campaign

206 votes and 145 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Reddit at its most Reddit. I have no idea how to archive reddit. Keeps blowing up or hanging. Sorry.

Stuff on GoodReads they haven't got around to cleaning up yet:

In the Black — Reader Q&A

Readers’ questions about In the Black. 1 question answered.

www.goodreads.com

(Seems unarchivable, sadly.)
View attachment 1086994

This is a pretty lame troll, overall. 3/10, would not look into again. Probably will help Tomlinson in the long run.

Edit:
Really?

In the Black

In a demilitarized zone on the border of human space, long range spy satellites are mysterioulsy going quiet, and no one knows why. Capta...

www.goodreads.com

Looks too big, even for a thumbnail, but it uploaded.
screencapture-goodreads-book-show-49247279-in-the-black-2020-01-07-12_59_13.png

Now I'm thinking, I'll bet we see a LOT of media coverage about this in short order. All SJW writers and readers use GoodReads and they all hate it. Doxing wamen in book reviews, for no reason I can figure.

Also a Pastebin:

Ms Niki Marie Robinson - Pastebin.com

pastebin.com

http://archive.li/lpKkv

More evidence that Amazon needs to shut down Goodreads once and for all. Let the SJWs cry about it on Twitter, but it’s been nothing but toxic since its creation. I know this can apply to any social media site but Goodreads has damaged many good author’s reputations over nothing burgers.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Not YA, but SF. SJW authors vs. Opie & Anthony fans, "coordinating attacks out of Russia." OMG. Contribute to my patreon to fight the trolls and the patriarchy, etc. Didn't think this merited a thread on its own. Looks like all the Q&A stuff accusing the author of being a pedo or whatever has already been wiped from GoodReads, but quite a few bad reviews remain.

Have no idea what website they're coordinating from, but since it is in Russia, you know they're serious. And evil.

Lax Security and Moderation at Goodreads Allows Trolls to Spoof People, Harass Authors

http://archive.li/aZtLq

Sorry that the formatting sucks, but not sorry enough to fix it...Go read the archive.


Reddit thread:

r/Fantasy - Author Patrick S. Tomlinson the target of Goodreads harassment campaign

206 votes and 145 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Reddit at its most Reddit. I have no idea how to archive reddit. Keeps blowing up or hanging. Sorry.

Stuff on GoodReads they haven't got around to cleaning up yet:

In the Black — Reader Q&A

Readers’ questions about In the Black. 1 question answered.

www.goodreads.com

(Seems unarchivable, sadly.)
View attachment 1086994

This is a pretty lame troll, overall. 3/10, would not look into again. Probably will help Tomlinson in the long run.

Edit:
Really?

In the Black

In a demilitarized zone on the border of human space, long range spy satellites are mysterioulsy going quiet, and no one knows why. Capta...

www.goodreads.com

Looks too big, even for a thumbnail, but it uploaded.
screencapture-goodreads-book-show-49247279-in-the-black-2020-01-07-12_59_13.png

Now I'm thinking, I'll bet we see a LOT of media coverage about this in short order. All SJW writers and readers use GoodReads and they all hate it. Doxing wamen in book reviews, for no reason I can figure.

Also a Pastebin:

Ms Niki Marie Robinson - Pastebin.com

pastebin.com

http://archive.li/lpKkv

So what does transgender space crab taste like? Do I have to buy the book to find out?

 

[AnOminous]

For example, in 2015 author Chuck Wendig was subject to a campaign to give his Star Wars: Aftermath novel one-star reviews on Goodreads and Amazon after some fans grew angry over him creating the first major gay hero in the Star Wars universe.

No woke story is complete without repeating one of these outright lies again and again and again. Every woke story is a regurgitation of last year's fake news and the fake news before that along with new stuff, and once I read the repetition of boring lies, I'm completely disinclined to give any credit to whatever new story is being peddled by these clowns.

 

[Next Task]

Barry Goldblatt, leading cancel culture warrior and literary agent, gets #metood.

Jesse Singal with the news, and also with the confirmation that the various YA SJWs so eager to cancel first-time writers and any low-level peon for wrongthink undoubtedly knew about the accusations, but stayed silent because they ... how would they put it? Oh, yes, they only punch down, not up.

The number of people surprised that sanctimonious, aggressive SJWs are also massive hypocrites? Zero.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Barry Goldblatt, leading cancel culture warrior and literary agent, gets #metood.

Jesse Singal with the news, and also with the confirmation that the various YA SJWs so eager to cancel first-time writers and any low-level peon for wrongthink undoubtedly knew about the accusations, but stayed silent because they ... how would they put it? Oh, yes, they only punch down, not up.

The number of people surprised that sanctimonious, aggressive SJWs are also massive hypocrites? Zero.

It's like poetry. It rhymes.