Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

[WonderWino]

This far in and nobody mentioned how Luke the Puke kept calling us "Kiwi Frames" instead of Kiwi Farms? I am disappoint.

Probably the PUA shit hes been delving into bouncing around in his broken brain. Those idiots always talk about 'frames' constantly

I couldn’t disagree more. Not only is seeing a woman therapist a way to correct a lot of his presumptions about what women want but it would allow him a safe place to work on his mom issues.

Lucas has no interest in being corrected about his views and presumptions of women. As far as he is concerned everyone else is the problem and the more people tell him otherwise the less he pays attention to what they say to him. A female therapist would be no different. If anything it would only make him angrier and that isn't good for anybody involved. Look how he loses his shit when only mildly corrected by random people on the internet. What do you think would happen if he was forced into a room with a woman he hates and knows he can't have telling him the same things as a professional? He has no block button there, no way to leave if its mandated. He would go off at her, lose his shit and end up with a one way ticket back to the nuthouse or to a jail cell

therapy does work for people who are mandated to treatment. it’s not as successful as someone who wants to be in treatment, but that doesn’t make it worthless or harmful.

Therapy only works for those willing to help themselves. It by and large does little or nothing for people not willing to participate and cooperate in it. Any therapist will tell you that

The last place lucas should be is anywhere near a woman. Therapist or otherwise. He is as narcissistic as they come and like all narcissists will never change that because there is no problem to fix as far as he is concerned

Lucas's brain is fucked. Its not fixable. With or without medication and therapy. There is nothing to fix at this point

 

[WhiskerBiscuit]

Probably the PUA shit hes been delving into bouncing around in his broken brain. Those idiots always talk about 'frames' constantly



Lucas has no interest in being corrected about his views and presumptions of women. As far as he is concerned everyone else is the problem and the more people tell him otherwise the less he pays attention to what they say to him. A female therapist would be no different. If anything it would only make him angrier and that isn't good for anybody involved. Look how he loses his shit when only mildly corrected by random people on the internet. What do you think would happen if he was forced into a room with a woman he hates and knows he can't have telling him the same things as a professional? He has no block button there, no way to leave if its mandated. He would go off at her, lose his shit and end up with a one way ticket back to the nuthouse or to a jail cell



Therapy only works for those willing to help themselves. It by and large does little or nothing for people not willing to participate and cooperate in it. Any therapist will tell you that

The last place lucas should be is anywhere near a woman. Therapist or otherwise. He is as narcissistic as they come and like all narcissists will never change that because there is no problem to fix as far as he is concerned

Lucas's brain is fucked. Its not fixable. With or without medication and therapy. There is nothing to fix at this point

i was commenting on incels not Lucas specifically. Not all incels are narcissists. That is Lucas’s brand.

you are patently wrong that you have to want to change for therapy to work. I would show you the meta-analyses on mandated treatment outcomes and explain behaviorism to you but it’s not worth it. It’s literally my day job so I would encourage you to avoid confusing Dr. Phil quips with a professional opinion.

lucas was involuntarily admitted. He got better while he was being treated. Since quitting therapy and meds, he has decompensated. Just like any other involuntary admit

 

[Da Dude123]

Almost a day of radio silence on YouTube from Lucas Werner. Nothing on Twitter, either. Any posts on Facebook or Instagram?

 

[FatherPucci]

Almost a day of radio silence on YouTube from Lucas Werner. Nothing on Twitter, either. Any posts on Facebook or Instagram?

Afew dumb Facebook posts but nothing of sustenance.

 

[WonderWino]

you are patently wrong that you have to want to change for therapy to work. I would show you the meta-analyses on mandated treatment outcomes and explain behaviorism to you but it’s not worth it. It’s literally my day job so I would encourage you to avoid confusing Dr. Phil quips with a professional opinion.

Who said anything about dr phil? That guy is a quack and everyone knows it. People who do not acknowledge there is a problem will never be able to fix said problem. Those who actively refuse to participate in improving their mental state for whatever reason will have minimal to no benefit from whatever therapy you put them through. Even if you pump them full of drugs involuntarily. They will quit and revert as soon as they get the opportunity

lucas was involuntarily admitted. He got better while he was being treated. Since quitting therapy and meds, he has decompensated. Just like any other involuntary admit

If anything this only proves my point. He didn't get better while he was being treated. He ignored the therapy, which is clearly visible given that his attitude is exactly the same as before he went in. If anything its gotten worse. The only reason his behavior was 'better' was because they forced him to take psych meds. The key phrase being forced him to. His behavior was 'better' because he was doped to the gills and couldn't act out if he wanted to. Yet he still refused to accept there was a problem with him, as evidenced by him immediately going off said meds after being released and to this day steadfastly refusing to admit there is anything wrong with him that required the treatment in the first place. Note that he now claims he isn't a schizo despite freely admitting it previously. If he was cooperating with the therapy he would be taking his meds, actively working on things with his therapist and there would be visible improvement. Quite the opposite has been occurring in his case

If anything, trying to force people to cooperate with therapy and treatment only makes people like lucas better at learning to manipulate people and make the therapist think they are cooperating, at least until they can show enough 'progress' to convince their therapist to let them go. At which point they do what lucas did and quit. Its the same manipulative behavior you see from psychopaths and sociopaths, as well as a major reason most therapists refuse to see patients with disorders like BPD - because treatment does nothing for them either unless they cooperate with it, and if anything makes them worse.

 

[wenttobermuda]

i was commenting on incels not Lucas specifically. Not all incels are narcissists. That is Lucas’s brand.

you are patently wrong that you have to want to change for therapy to work. I would show you the meta-analyses on mandated treatment outcomes and explain behaviorism to you but it’s not worth it. It’s literally my day job so I would encourage you to avoid confusing Dr. Phil quips with a professional opinion.

lucas was involuntarily admitted. He got better while he was being treated. Since quitting therapy and meds, he has decompensated. Just like any other involuntary admit

I thought it was more of a Dr. Drew quip than Dr. Phil, but I otherwise agree with you. I'm no stranger to therapeutic and sober environments, and I've learned that sometimes folks benefit from a bit of force. I have. It's the rationale of the dreaded 5150.

I think you'd agree that unless someone is highly motivated to change, their chances of lasting, long term change are rather poor. Lucas evinces this; his involuntary treatment was great for him, but lacking internal motivation, it was easier for him to backslide. I don't think of this as "wanting to change" so much as willing to work. I've also witnessed people that were highly motivated to change (or at least talked an abnormally convincing game) fail because of the effort required.

 

[Fatal Walter]

Lucas finally showed up in my comments. I'm sure that'll go great for him. And no, I can't name the prime minister of Finland.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Lucas finally showed up in my comments. I'm sure that'll go great for him. And no, I can't name the prime minister of Finland.
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Your avatar scares the fuck out of me every time.

 

[WonderWino]

You heard it here first folks: politicians are political

He really isn't thinking about what he is saying before he says it

 

[GleamingTheQ-Bert]

You heard it here first folks: politicians are political

He really isn't thinking about what he is saying before he says it

Well, guess I'm a slave.

(A slave who doesn't pick at his zits)

 

[Julias_Seizure]

I think you'd agree that unless someone is highly motivated to change, their chances of lasting, long term change are rather poor. Lucas evinces this; his involuntary treatment was great for him, but lacking internal motivation, it was easier for him to backslide. I don't think of this as "wanting to change" so much as willing to work. I've also witnessed people that were highly motivated to change (or at least talked an abnormally convincing game) fail because of the effort required.

Lucas specifically is past the point of no return but if they sent incels to therapy before they get to that point then it would be far more effective than with the ones as far gone as Lucas or Marjan. Theyre not likely to go of their own free will but its what they need to do if they want things to improve for them

 

[AbraCadaver]

Lucas finally showed up in my comments. I'm sure that'll go great for him. And no, I can't name the prime minister of Finland.
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I hope Finland’s PM doesn’t have a boyfriend or husband, or else by Lucas’ own logic she isn’t allowed to speak to other men.

Might make things tricky at summit meetings.

 

[mothman96]

IF the prime minister of Finland Sanna Marin talks to men, her long time partner Markus Raikkonen better put his foot down and put her in her place. Gasp, Marin and her partner had a baby when they were both 32 in 2018. She was past Lucas's breeding range of 18-24. Raikkonen 8 yrs short to have "super magical" sperm like Lucas. He'd should message and tell them he's a scientist without a degree and they did it all wrong.

 

[Wernology]

You heard it here first folks: politicians are political

He really isn't thinking about what he is saying before he says it

The best part is that he didn't even come up with it; he's reading a variant of some viral Tweet that's been making its rounds on Facebook and Tumblr again.
It's not even a new one, I remember seeing it on my timeline months ago.

The oldest variant I've found is from a 2017 Tweet here: https://twitter.com/dsa_losangeles/status/938664494590332928

There are probably even older ones laying around somewhere.

Those are the "memes he likes" that you could be paying him $5/month to see him read on Patreon, though it seems like he's abandoned the idea of that panning out.

Does anyone know where the fuck he got that 'Baby Zoom' shit from??? Is it a thing?

Or is it just schizo ramble? Because watching that video made me want to die. If anyone ever called me Baby Zoom, I'd neck myself.

Whenever someone asks me to explain what cringe culture is, I swear I'm showing them those two videos. I don't normally feel intense secondhand embarrassment for someone, and I managed to sit through his "RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW" rap without having to stop it but the secondhand embarrassment from those "baby zoom" ones and the ones where he just repeats "you're aware you're a bigot" was enough that I couldn't get through the whole video.

 

[lameandgay2]

Does anyone know where the fuck he got that 'Baby Zoom' shit from??? Is it a thing?

Or is it just schizo ramble? Because watching that video made me want to die. If anyone ever called me Baby Zoom, I'd neck myself.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I couldn’t disagree more. Not only is seeing a woman therapist a way to correct a lot of his presumptions about what women want but it would allow him a safe place to work on his mom issues.

A female therapist is the opposite of safe for someone like Lucas. True incels will want to fuck their female therapist, counselor, care worker, any employee forced to deal with them on a regular basis. When they obviously can't, it increases their anger and creates an extra barrier for them to get over their issues. Even if the incel knows they need help or want it, the need for sex overrides that. Also, the incel is likely aware of this and knows to hide their true intentions which further makes therapy useless.

 

[AnOminous]

A female therapist is the opposite of safe for someone like Lucas. True incels will want to fuck their female therapist, counselor, care worker, any employee forced to deal with them on a regular basis. When they obviously can't, it increases their anger and creates an extra barrier for them to get over their issues. Even if the incel knows they need help or want it, the need for sex overrides that. Also, the incel is likely aware of this and knows to hide their true intentions which further makes therapy useless.

There is no "need for sex." It's an obsession. It's one of those things on the hierarchy of needs well above food, shelter, and other shit that incels completely neglect while obsessing about sex. There's not even any point in thinking about a relationship when everything else about your life is so absolutely fucked you have nothing worthwhile whatsoever to offer a potential partner.

 

[WhiskerBiscuit]

I thought it was more of a Dr. Drew quip than Dr. Phil, but I otherwise agree with you. I'm no stranger to therapeutic and sober environments, and I've learned that sometimes folks benefit from a bit of force. I have. It's the rationale of the dreaded 5150.

I think you'd agree that unless someone is highly motivated to change, their chances of lasting, long term change are rather poor. Lucas evinces this; his involuntary treatment was great for him, but lacking internal motivation, it was easier for him to backslide. I don't think of this as "wanting to change" so much as willing to work. I've also witnessed people that were highly motivated to change (or at least talked an abnormally convincing game) fail because of the effort required.

I agree though using Lucas as evidence is a very poor choice. Everything that makes him treatment resistant is his narcissism. Narcissists are harder to treat than psychopaths or pedophiles.

but I’m terms of involuntary treatment for borderlines, DBT works. For substance use, there’s good evidence that mandated treatment subjects have better outcomes than voluntary subjects (think consequences).

yea, dr drew. But equally meaningless when it comes to people who actually work in the field and know the data.

 

[WonderWino]

I agree though using Lucas as evidence is a very poor choice. Everything that makes him treatment resistant is his narcissism. Narcissists are harder to treat than psychopaths or pedophiles.

but I’m terms of involuntary treatment for borderlines, DBT works. For substance use, there’s good evidence that mandated treatment subjects have better outcomes than voluntary subjects (think consequences).

yea, dr drew. But equally meaningless when it comes to people who actually work in the field and know the data.

Neither one of those statements is even remotely true. Involuntary treatment never, ever, ever works with substance abusers. Anyone who has ever dealt with such addicts in such a program will tell you that. There is a reason hitting rock bottom and accepting you have a problem is a thing and why the fundamental requirement for literally every substance abuse treatment program is the acknowledgement that there is a problem and the willingness to deal with it. You will never cure anyone of any addiction involuntarily and achieve anything resembling a lasting success. Its difficult enough to treat a substance abuser when they are fully cooperating with their treatment. There is a reason why so many people who get interventioned and coerced into attending treatment end up in and out of treatment multiple times and frequently end up ODing anyway sooner or later. If you're not willing to quit you're not going to no matter what doctors, hospitals or friends and family do to you to force the issue

As for involuntary treatment of borderlines.....lolwut? DBT works for some borderlines and even then without exception, only when they are cooperating fully with their treatment. Most borderlines refuse to accept they even have a problem and few actually want treatment for it. In fact a huge percentage of mental health professionals flat out refuse to have anything to do with borderlines at all because for he majority of them it does not help them at all and simply makes them worse. Much like psychopaths, such treatments simply make them better at manipulating people. I have far too much experience in that particular area personally to ever take any claim of involuntary treatment of borderlines seriously. My fiance has bpd and is one of the few that acknowledges she has a problem and has sought legitimate help for it. It took years just to find a mental health professional that didn't refuse to have any part of treating her the instant the bpd was brought up. She received the same explanation every time, and thats across two countries and multiple US states

Therapy has a pretty fundamental golden rule. That is 'its only as beneficial as what you're willing to put into it.' Don't confuse doping someone to the gills until they are physically incapable of acting out their urges, like the hospital clearly did to lucas, with actual beneficial treatment or effective therapy.

 

[BowlOfDick]

All quiet on the Lucas front this weekend..