Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

For once Virgie isn't the scariest-looking person on my screen. Linda Bacon looks like she wants to kill a basket of kittens, or blow up a a bus full of nuns and orphans. Look into those eyes and tell me this woman is sane. I dare you.

Early on, when r/fatpeoplehate still roamed the earth, someone made an excellent graphic I fear has been lost to time. Fat women liked to say that preference for thin women was linked to pedophilia because men wanted women who were flat chested, had slim hips and legs, and looked like little girls. It was a strawman argument, especially in this day and age when boob and butt implants have become so utterly common. But that was the stance - men were repulsed by fat women because they were secretly pedophiles who want to fuck women shaped like little girls.

An enterprising fat hater made silhouettes out of the body of a super fat and the body of an actual baby. Both were sitting down, and they were virtually identical. You couldn't tell which was the fat adult and the baby until the poster showed the images used to make the outlines. It's was uncanny, down to the folds around the thighs and ankles, the pudgy fingers and toes, the slumped seated posture with legs splayed. Jay and Corissa look like very large, fat babies, as do most women over 350 pounds.

[Biology nerd post]

Speaking of Virgie Tovar, and extreme fats having the same silhouettes as pudgy babies: a sane person, as opposed to a HAES/fat activist, will tell you that, while healthy-weight babies and toddlers do indeed have higher levels of body fat than healthy-weight adults (excluding pregnant women), it's mostly a different type of fat: "brown fat" vs. "white fat." (Humans might also have varying amounts of belly fat, visceral fat and subcutaneous fat. Belly and visceral fat are the problematic types from a health perspective.)

"Baby fat" is mostly brown fat, while the fat smothering the organs of morbidly obese people is visceral white fat. Adults in general have much less brown fat than white -- though lean adults tend to have a higher percentage of brown to white fat, than do fat adults. Brown fat helps keep you warm (in addition to human babies, you'll also find a lot of it in mammals that hibernate in winter), and regarding how it affects your hormones and similar things, brown fat actually behaves more like "muscle" than like "fat." This also explains why toddler-fat bodies are healthy and necessary for the toddlers, but very unhealthy for an adult who is fat enough to have a toddlerish or babyish silhouette. In fact, using brown fat actually burns white fat, in a way very similar to how using your muscles will also burn white fat.

White fat, meanwhile, has other functions in the body (and please, do NOT think white fat is bad! Some amount of white body fat is vital for all human beings; what is bad is having TOO MUCH white fat, especially to the degree the fat activists have): it stores energy for times when you don't eat enough, and if you have normal healthy levels of white fat, it also produces hormones which helps you process insulin more easily (but if you are too fat, this hormone production screws up, which affects your insulin resistance, which sets you up for many of the health problems plaguing obese people).

So what does all this have to do with Virgie? Back in September, Teen Vogue published an insane article called "Baby Fat Isn't Real, It's Just a Fatphobic Myth," and Virgie was one of the so-called experts they quoted (I went ahead and added the lunacy symbols to save everyone else the trouble):

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“When we start policing children around food and telling them they’ll get big if they eat too much, we start the concept of ‘too much food equals a fat person’ and that’s a false equivalency,” says Virgie Tovar, a fat activist and author of You Have the Right to Remain Fat.

The term baby fat is, at its core, an oxymoron. American culture views childhood, especially infancy, as the pinnacle of innocence. Fatness is the absence of morality. Babies don’t have choice. But, as the belief goes, fat people choose to be fat, every day, by what they put in their mouth and how they move their bodies.

“Fat is always considered a state of lack of innocence,” Tovar says. “We believe that fat people have lost their moral compass.”

Literal baby fat, however, is both very real and mythological. Infants, like hibernating mammals, boast high levels of brown adipose tissue or "brown fat" that helps keep them warm. So, yes, babies have fat. But it’s just fat, there’s nothing particularly infant-like about it. The mythological part comes when we draw a distinction between so-called baby fat and other types of fat, seemingly saying that there is good and bad fat: the fat that happens to us as a baby is good, but the fat that we acquire as an adult, not so much. According to Dr. Jennifer Gaudiani, M.D., author of Sick Enough and an internist who specializes in eating disorders, making an allowance for baby fat at the expense of denigrating adult fat is an equation where no one wins.

“When people say baby fat, which has no scientific basis in reality, they’re suggesting that someone is allowed to be fat at a certain age with the unspoken addition that they will be expected not to be fat after that,” she said in an interview. Ask Dr. Gaudiani about fat and she rattles off a list of positive adjectives: natural, healthy, wonderful. “When we honor body diversity, we understand that people wear their fat in different ways and all of that has the potential to be compatible with health.

Baby fat, then, according to Tovar becomes a “safe” kind of fat and adult fat becomes dangerous, even demonized.....

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Tl:dr: Although even fat activists have to admit brown fat is real, and objectively different from white fat, they also say crazy shit like "baby fat" has "no scientific basis in reality," and Virgie also insists it's a "false equivalency" to think "too much food equals a fat person."
 
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Corrissa is looking for a Doctor that will enable her food addiction.
She posted this on Twitter:

Hi friends. I am DESPERATE to find a HAES INFORMED physician near lawrence (Kansas city) Kansas. I will travel to see them. I’m not interested in a compassionate or “understanding” doctor, I want to see someone who actually knows what HAES is. SUGFESTIONS? @LindoBaconX ???

Link to Twitter post: https://twitter.com/fatgirlfreedom/status/1215785574759587841

She doesn't want a compassionate doctor - which should be a nice trait for a doctor to have normally.
She wants a contradiction in itself in form of a doctor. Why is she in need of a doctor at all? She has a lot of size to be healthy at.

Since HAES (as handled nowadays) contradicts science in many ways, she could search for a woe-doctor instead. Treating her scientificly not explainable sicknesses with non-medicine. Telling her all her ailments have fallen from the sky and manifested out of nowhere in her completely well body.

I'd like her to meet someone well-informed enough on the delusions of some HAES-activists to cut through all her bs at once.
Generally the HAES-ideas were not bad at all but have been bent to the point of Corissa.
 
She doesn't want a compassionate doctor - which should be a nice trait for a doctor to have normally.
She wants a contradiction in itself in form of a doctor. Why is she in need of a doctor at all? She has a lot of size to be healthy at.

Since HAES (as handled nowadays) contradicts science in many ways, she could search for a woe-doctor instead. Treating her scientificly not explainable sicknesses with non-medicine. Telling her all her ailments have fallen from the sky and manifested out of nowhere in her completely well body.

I'd like her to meet someone well-informed enough on the delusions of some HAES-activists to cut through all her bs at once.
Generally the HAES-ideas were not bad at all but have been bent to the point of Corissa.
She wants a doctor who will willfully ignore their Hippocratic Oath and pat her fat hand and tell her it's just fine to keep killing herself with food. I'm sure there are quacks out there who will do it, but there is no decent doctor on this planet that would not bring up obesity as a medical issue for her. The reality, as we all know, it that there is no such thing as health at every size. Just like you can't be healthy weighing 60 lbs. as an adult, you can't be healthy weighing 300 lbs+. These are absolute facts. What's the fucking point of going to a doctor if you don't want to hear what their diagnosis and advice is? Just don't go to the doctor. Simple.
 
Those don't need sauce you fucking lard brain. What is it with Jay and sauces? I know it is a fat thing, but why consult SM?
The same thing as with Chantal and all of her dipping sauces--whatever they're eating isn't all that great, so they drench/dip it in sauce.

I suspect it's also a lubricant that helps them swallow huge bites of whatever sugar/salt/fat combo they're stuffing their faces with, largely unchewed. You can't put away the sheer number of calories these behemoths do if you slow down, take smaller bites, and chew your food thoroughly, because that gives your brain time to recognize that you're eating, and thus send an appropriate satiety signal when you've eaten enough.

And J has to post about it to SM because she's just as hungry for attention and validation as she is whatever greasy abomination she's about to stuff her face with, yet has nothing else to write about. She's not very bright, and her entire existence centers around acquiring food and eating it. So other than complaining about people not respecting either her fatness or her pronouns, she has nothing else to write about in order to gain that attention and validation she craves.
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Corissa, you look like 60 not 30 - and you literally made a video complaining about a doctor who said you not live to 50 or something - the number was never 30.

Now if we're talking about Jay ... she's probably not going much further than 30.
Even if the doctor did say she would only live to 30, I would not be so proud of being alive at age 34 in the state Corissa is in. She looks absolutely terrible, and it's pretty fucking obvious she feels terrible, too--both mentally and physically. She is not healthy, not by any measure, and even if some of her health markers are still within normal values, they will not stay that way much longer.

And yes, we all age, and we all eventually die. I'm old enough to be Corissa's mother, and I can tell you younger Kiwis that some stuff simply starts to go to shit in middle age, no matter how stringent your lifestyle is. But there are some things that are absolutely guaranteed to speed up that process, and those include smoking, excessive alcohol use, chronic stress and poor sleep, poor nutrition, lack of physical activity--and obesity. Any one of those things will make aging hit you sooner, and harder, than it would for your contemporaries who eliminate (or at least make an effort to mitigate) them.

So yeah, we're all going to die, but the likes of Corissa and J are going to take the long, torturous way there, marked by increasing pain, debility, and dependence upon a health care system that can only do so much for them--and they'll complain the entire way that it's all fatphobic doctors' faults for not fixing the host of things that ail them.

Personally, I'd rather die of a massive, unexpected stroke at age 60, that cuts short a full and active life, than live to age 80 in Corissa's body, and deal with the medicalized hell that's going to be. And for J, it's going to be even worse, and start earlier; by age 34 I expect her to be bedbound, if she hasn't been taken out by a heart attack, pneumonia, or a skinfold infection gone septic.

Knowing what awaits all of these young social media fatties as they age is what keeps me from getting all Mad at the Internet about their smugness and aggressive denial of reality.
Even when she was younger and thinner she didn't register as being in her twenties. Now that her skin is pock marked, somehow simultaneously dry and greasy, hair damaged and thinning, fat getting creative about where it's going to show itself and tits to her knees she legit looks 50-60, a rough 50-60 at that.
Yeah, she's always looked older than her age. Some young people do get cursed with Oldface, where they never look truly young, but rather like a smoother-faced version of the middle-aged person they're eventually going to be. It's truly odd to see, and I've seen it on slim people as well as fat ones--but fatness doesn't help it. And Corissa, even at her slimmest, was still obese, or bordering on it.

I've seen so many gravel-faced pics of Corissa lately, I should no longer be shocked by how bad she looks, but so far it hasn't worn off. From my perspective, she's so young--and yet she's willfully destroying everything that's so great about living in a young body, and calling it a virtue and a show of strength. I can't fucking even.
 
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Anyone want to buy a swimsuit worn by Corrissa, crotch juices and all?
 
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Anyone want to buy a swimsuit worn by Corrissa, crotch juices and all?

I want to believe that only a creepy fetishist would be interested in buying this swimsuit, but I know that's not true. Fatties clamor for discounted 4X/5X items, no matter how used and disgusting.
 
Does anybody know if this insufferable idiot is the grand daughter of the famous Richard Elman of Hong Kong? She has to be based on her IG. All she does is take lavish vacations to Thailand and HK in between "bopo" crap on her IG where she's just flitting around London in expensive dresses. She's been in Thailand and HK for the last month. Must be nice. I'm almost sure she's a trusty but couldn't find the dox with a good amount of searching.

Michelle Elman IG
 
Does anybody know if this insufferable idiot is the grand daughter of the famous Richard Elman of Hong Kong? She has to be based on her IG. All she does is take lavish vacations to Thailand and HK in between "bopo" crap on her IG where she's just flitting around London in expensive dresses. She's been in Thailand and HK for the last month. Must be nice. I'm almost sure she's a trusty but couldn't find the dox with a good amount of searching.

Michelle Elman IG

I can't find anything, either, but it would make sense. She is clearly hapa and originally from HK, lives a privileged life in a nice part of London, does nothing but whine and jetset, has gotten loads of undeserved opportunities within the British media, etc. She definitely seems like a trust fund beast.
 
Corrissa is looking for a Doctor that will enable her food addiction.
She posted this on Twitter:

Hi friends. I am DESPERATE to find a HAES INFORMED physician near lawrence (Kansas city) Kansas. I will travel to see them. I’m not interested in a compassionate or “understanding” doctor, I want to see someone who actually knows what HAES is. SUGFESTIONS? @LindoBaconX ???

Link to Twitter post: https://twitter.com/fatgirlfreedom/status/1215785574759587841
Scary thing is there used to be a list of HAES doctors and it was pretty long. Though don't think I'd trust a doctor who was "infinifat"
 
Scary thing is there used to be a list of HAES doctors and it was pretty long. Though don't think I'd trust a doctor who was "infinifat"

Oh yeah, I remember that list from like a decade ago. I just did a search for HAES MDs here and found very few results, most of which are doctors who are promoting themselves on social media or who work in eating disorder clinics, lol. I have a feeling the old list had doctors who didn't even really know what HAES meant and never supported the FA-tainted version of HAES.
 
As someone that is over 400 pounds I agree. It bothers me how obese people have tried to push this idea that being obese is alright and that you can be healthy too. While still deny the scientific evidence that proves them wrong. To me they are no better then Anti Vaxxers and their ideals. They both are pushing this idea that can kill people, one is just much slower. I'm very self ware and as of recently I've become even more self aware, realizing I need to get my weight on track, not for how I look, but because I want to be healthy. It's just always annoyed me when people want to push the idea of being obese is alright and that you shouldn't change it.
You're not aware enough to know where you are. Eat less and lurk more.
 
As someone that is over 400 pounds I agree. It bothers me how obese people have tried to push this idea that being obese is alright and that you can be healthy too. While still deny the scientific evidence that proves them wrong. To me they are no better then Anti Vaxxers and their ideals. They both are pushing this idea that can kill people, one is just much slower. I'm very self ware and as of recently I've become even more self aware, realizing I need to get my weight on track, not for how I look, but because I want to be healthy. It's just always annoyed me when people want to push the idea of being obese is alright and that you shouldn't change it.
Tbh these people are worse than anti vaxers, While nutrition can be a complex subject even people 2000+ years ago understood that more food = increase in fat. The sin of gluttony being the best example almost always being visualized as an obese person (though maybe not by todays standards LOL). Vaccines on the other hand are relatively new, They're a complex subject and to be quite frank 90% of the people who push the anti vaxer memes have no clue how they work or what is in them (some health care workers included).
 
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Corissa, you look like 60 not 30 - and you literally made a video complaining about a doctor who said you not live to 50 or something - the number was never 30.

Now if we're talking about Jay ... she's probably not going much further than 30.
It's closer to 10 years but Corissa can do that bargaining and say b-but what about my other five years when the time comes. Not to mention the quality of life she's having, and will have, going forward. The human body is pretty damn resilient but you can be utterly miserable while making it to whatever age.

I'm very self ware
Not really.
 
Tbh these people are worse than anti vaxers, While nutrition can be a complex subject even people 2000+ years ago understood that more food = increase in fat. The sin of gluttony being the best example almost always being visualized as an obese person (though maybe not by todays standards LOL). Vaccines on the other hand are relatively new, They're a complex subject and to be quite frank 90% of the people who push the anti vaxer memes have no clue how they work or what is in them (some health care workers included).

I can agree with that. They are 100% worse.
 
Does anybody know if this insufferable idiot is the grand daughter of the famous Richard Elman of Hong Kong? She has to be based on her IG. All she does is take lavish vacations to Thailand and HK in between "bopo" crap on her IG where she's just flitting around London in expensive dresses. She's been in Thailand and HK for the last month. Must be nice. I'm almost sure she's a trusty but couldn't find the dox with a good amount of searching.

Michelle Elman IG


2015 Mail article on her says she is 'originally from Hong Kong'and she's clearly half white, so I would say it's very likely.

Also the fact she spends her time travelling and her earned income seems to be writing $40 fluff pieces on BOPO etc for Grazia and being a 'body poz coach', hardly a lucrative trade.

Whoever she is, it's almost certain she's a trust fund type with very rich parents.

It's very difficult to find anything about Elman's children, but he does have four apparently, and two grandchildren and he's pictured here with his wife Susan, who is clearly Asian.

 
Regarding baby fat. It’s plain old wrong to compare adult and baby/young child fat. All the reasons already stated are totally right, but also that kids are growing. They have small stomachs but they’re growing like mad. They need a different diet to adults. - smaller portions but nutrient dense.
Kids shouldn’t be eating low fat dairy for example - they should be having full fat. A child diet has some significant differences to an healthy adult one. But both have the same base - plenty of veg, good quality protein, some more complex carbs, a good variety, and minimal processed crap. Sweets in moderation.
And puppy fat/baby fat (to a point) is not bad. You often see kids, especially girls, chunk out a bit before they have a growth spurt for example. The old adage that girls grow out then up, and boys up then out is often true. If kids are significantly overweight then the usual advice is to just hold their weight and let them grow into it, rather than actively loosing.
These people are giving kids a terrible message about food because they’re associating it with strong emotions.
Babies shouldn’t be thin. Older kids vary loads - but it’s totally healthy for kids to have ribs visible.
 
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