This part I agree with. The two movies had a drastically different tone. That and the pacing are the biggest differences. But the logic problems and universe breaking shit are very similar.
The logic problems and universe breaking shit you cited in TLJ was about hyperspace and space battles, the logic problems and universe breaking shit you cited in TRoS was about the Force. It would be one thing if the movies fucked with the exact same aspect, but some people seem to prioritize logic and the universe more in certain areas than others.
Just because they have a different tone doesn't mean that there won't be people who attack ROS for its gaping plotholes and lack of logical consistency when they said that stuff didn't matter for TLJ.
TLJ defenders who hate TRoS are able to look past the gaping plotholes and lack of logical consistency in TLJ because they enjoyed the subversive, edgy tone that TRoS was the antithesis of and find the problems in TRoS to be more blatant. It's part being blinded by what they
liked and part not believing there are gaping plotholes and lack of logical consistency in TLJ. TRoS wasn't able to hide its flaws from them and the gaping plotholes and lack of logical consistency weren't the same.
Also, why is it more of a contradiction to hate TLJ and defend ROS? What if someone likes ROS because they want Star Wars to be upbeat, hopeful, and quirky instead of an edgy, nihilistic middle finger to Star Wars? Someone could pull a "muh tone" argument to defend ROS in the same way someone could say "muh themes" to defend TLJ. But if you try to say the movies are intelligently plotted and make sense, you're fucked with both.
I said it's more of a contradiction to praise both TLJ and TRoS, especially after praising the things in TLJ that TRoS rectonned.
Just Write said it repeatedly during his EFAP debate.
Which is again MauLer bringing it to the conversation. And even then, is he saying literally everything is subjective or just specific things?
Hello Greedo also said it. Probably lots more, but those are the two I can name off the top of my head.
I've never heard HelloGreedo say "subjective". He's talked about people having the right to like or dislike anything they want, but that's not him claiming everything is subjective, that's him trying to prevent slapfights.
Being a force ghost in the original trilogy wasn't the same thing as it is now. There was no reason to assume force ghosts could interact with the physical world beyond speaking to people, and no reason to think they could even do that consistently unless the person is in tune with the force or whatever. "Why doesn't force ghost Obi-Wan help?" was a question that people weren't really concerned with in the OT because the general consensus was that aside from giving advice, he couldn't.
This is what people mean when they say the sequels ruin the originals. Unless you ignore them, they introduce a billion plot holes and problems that weren't there before. That's what breaking the universe means, and for all their problems the prequel movies mostly didn't do that.
So Obi-Wan "died" in the original Star Wars because he couldn't do more than give advice, but Luke didn't "die" in TLJ because he could have done more than give advice, even when he didn't? Both stop physically living, then come back as ghosts to just give advice. If Luke doesn't count as a death in TLJ, then Obi-Wan doesn't count as a death in the original Star Wars.
Couple of other common themes
-shit jokes
-Bad character direction
-failure to integrate with previous film in trilogy,
-Keeping leia alive was a horrible mistake in both.
-They have no idea what they're doing with Hux.
-load of new characters which are forgettable.
-lumbered with terrible decision to keep the rebels vs empire dynamic due to soft reset.
-Both have been integrated into exceptional net slap fight
-Anyone over invested in either is a loser.
mutual Positives
-Nice effects
-Good soundtrack
-Lots of good actors
-Are star wars movies.
Right, they have small, superficial, and common similarities that often apply to most megamillion franchise films. One is still nothing like a Star Wars film, one is still too much like a Star Wars film.
