Megathread Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children

[Spastic Colon]

I’m always taken aback when I see the way troons insist we need to be explaining transgender people to small children. First of all, we don’t, really. Second, most of the information is just... not age appropriate. Growing up, a family friend transitioned after she had kids. I remember asking my mom about how that was medically possible and she just told me that I wasn’t entitled to anyone’s medical history, especially if it involves their physical sex. I feel like that’s a lot more reasonable than telling a 7 year old how neovaginas are made.

If they "pass", you don't have to explain it at all. If a kid can clock you, you need to try harder.

I would explain it pretty simply to a young child: some people's brains get sick and make them think that they are girl when they are really a boy (or vice versa for FtM).

 

[Peaches Demure]

If they "pass", you don't have to explain it at all. If a kid can clock you, you need to try harder.

Ha! But troons are practically never passable and kids under a certain age obviously can't be persuaded to pretend they see an obvious hulking dude in a dime store wig as a woman. Consequently, we see a lot of posts on Reddit by troons in tears over being 'misgendered' by a 5-year-old.

 

[Parthenos]

Ha! But troons are practically never passable and kids under a certain age obviously can't be persuaded to pretend they see an obvious hulking dude in a dime store wig as a woman. Consequently, we see a lot of posts on Reddit by troons in tears over being 'misgendered' by a 5-year-old.

The way you phrase that makes the whole troon thing sound like The Emperor's New Clothes: only the honesty of a child is enough to bypass a lie that everyone else is pressured into believing.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I know of plenty of adult women who weren’t aware they didn’t pee out of their vaginas though. I really think that We are lacking in good basic science/sex Ed partly because people always seem to have an agenda with it. The biological basics, stripped of any stuff about sexuality is what is needed. You have these bits, girls have those. They do this. That’s really the level that’s needed. Treat it as a bodily function and just provide age appropriate facts.

Yeah, sex education is dismal in many parts of the US. I got the exciting abstinence-based education in public school, which basically boiled down to condoms never work and everyone's riddled with STDs. Anatomy wasn't even really discussed.

And of course my high school had a daycare for teenage parents because nobody apparently figured out that running around telling students that condoms don't work might be a bit counterproductive.

Then on the other side of this you have teachers in some areas confusing the hell out of kids with the gender unicorn.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The way you phrase that makes the whole troon thing sound like The Emperor's New Clothes: only the honesty of a child is enough to bypass a lie that everyone else is pressured into believing.

Pressured into affirming. This is Orwell's proverbial "idea so stupid only an intellectual could believe it-" you need years of brainwashing before you can start to actually think that men can be women or vice-versa.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Yeah, sex education is dismal in many parts of the US. I got the exciting abstinence-based education in public school, which basically boiled down to condoms never work and everyone's riddled with STDs. Anatomy wasn't even really discussed.

And of course my high school had a daycare for teenage parents because nobody apparently figured out that running around telling students that condoms don't work might be a bit counterproductive.

Then on the other side of this you have teachers in some areas confusing the hell out of kids with the gender unicorn.

I think values should be left of from sex education as much as possible. Some is unavoidable as what kids should know is very center of the issue but neutrality and overall usefulness should be the general aim. Sex should be build around objective facts that relate to health like what STDs exist, how they spread, when go to doctors, how bodies work, how pregnancy happens, what contraceptives methods exist, their pro & cons and so on. Other thing probably good to cover is laws around sex like age of consent, how to report rape, taking nudes can lead into legal trouble and what legal issues there are in abortion, adoption and keeping the baby. Just what a young person would need know to make good decisions regardless where they stand morality of sex and other related issues. When to have sex, sex positivity, morality of abortion, prostitution, porn, waiting till marriage and what have you should be left to at home. Sure some basic things like porn exist but just like any other form of entertainment is pretty fake, and unplaned pregnencies mean hard decisions, are fine acknowledge but morality in general issues should be left out.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

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it includes a link to the Cell fulltext

I missed this, thank you, I've downloaded quite a range of docs from playing follow the supplementary material, from my 'not supposed to still be awake at 4am' reading, there are some 'told you so' moments in there for me.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I think values should be left of from sex education as much as possible. Some is unavoidable as what kids should know is very center of the issue but neutrality and overall usefulness should be the general aim. Sex should be build around objective facts that relate to health like what STDs exist, how they spread, when go to doctors, how bodies work, how pregnancy happens, what contraceptives methods exist, their pro & cons and so on. Other thing probably good to cover is laws around sex like age of consent, how to report rape, taking nudes can lead into legal trouble and what legal issues there are in abortion, adoption and keeping the baby. Just what a young person would need know to make good decisions regardless where they stand morality of sex and other related issues. When to have sex, sex positivity, morality of abortion, prostitution, porn, waiting till marriage and what have you should be left to at home. Sure some basic things like porn exist but just like any other form of entertainment is pretty fake, and unplaned pregnencies mean hard decisions, are fine acknowledge but morality in general issues should be left out.

I agree. Kids are actually fairly smart and they don't grow up in a vacuum. They can recognize bullshit immediately.

That's why the no-nonsense approach is best.

 

[Peaches Demure]

The way you phrase that makes the whole troon thing sound like The Emperor's New Clothes: only the honesty of a child is enough to bypass a lie that everyone else is pressured into believing.

Both yes and no, I would say; I don't believe that many people actually believe that men can become women or vice versa. But they believe that admitting to it in public is going to get them socially ostracized, which is true, but only in certain circles. Working class people tend to be more practical and down to earth about this gender nonsense being pushed, perhaps because they haven't adopted the terminology or been subjected to "queer theory" in college.

"That's a dude!" is a typical working class comment when a troon appears on TV, for example.

 

[Otterly]

It’s kind of worse, that people don’t believe it, but are conditioned to act like they do. It’s like a form of societal madness - we are changing laws in a way that damages half the population, experimenting on kids and dismantling all the societal norms that aim to keep sexual boundaries in place. For something that nobody actually believes. It’s so weird, and it begs the question, “ if you can control people like this, what else can you make them willingly do?”

 

[Wallace]

It’s kind of worse, that people don’t believe it, but are conditioned to act like they do. It’s like a form of societal madness - we are changing laws in a way that damages half the population, experimenting on kids and dismantling all the societal norms that aim to keep sexual boundaries in place. For something that nobody actually believes. It’s so weird, and it begs the question, “ if you can control people like this, what else can you make them willingly do?”

Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

Orwell notwithstanding, it still reminds me of the Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panic in the 80s. Plenty of people went to prison for crimes they never committed, kids were manipulated by psychologists to lie, and everyone cheered them along because the social costs of saying no to the God Squad were too great, so all those doubts had to be kept to yourself.

 

[Peaches Demure]

It’s kind of worse, that people don’t believe it, but are conditioned to act like they do. It’s like a form of societal madness - we are changing laws in a way that damages half the population, experimenting on kids and dismantling all the societal norms that aim to keep sexual boundaries in place. For something that nobody actually believes. It’s so weird, and it begs the question, “ if you can control people like this, what else can you make them willingly do?”

I do wonder sometimes if the troon thing is really some kind of stalking horse for something else. Not sure what, though. But there certainly is power in getting people to repeat obvious untruths by pain of social ostracism.

 

[Spastic Colon]

I do wonder sometimes if the troon thing is really some kind of stalking horse for something else. Not sure what, though. But there certainly is power in getting people to repeat obvious untruths by pain of social ostracism.

I'm firmly convinced that troons are being used to push an agenda that will usher in legalizing pedophilia. I don't think those in power really care about troons (other than the money drug companies can make off of them) but there seem to be quite a few pedos in positions of power throughout the world.

Think about the push for trans kids to have body autonomy. If they are mature enough to decide to delay puberty, take hormones, even get surgery in some cases -- surely they are mature enough to consent to sex. And the notion that kids know their gender from a young age has sexual undertones to it. Plus, pedophiles with young kids could get a few more years of access at their age of attraction if they can delay their kid's puberty. One doctor, in hindsight, even suspected as much in one of the cases at the NHS gender clinic in the UK.

If you can convince people to say that a trans "woman" is a real woman even though the vast majority know this to be a lie, couldn't you also convince them to say that kids are able to consent to sex even though they don't agree with it? If anti-pedophiles were treated the way transphobes are (ostracized, being fired for their views, deplatformed on social media), I could see them getting away with it.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I’m always taken aback when I see the way troons insist we need to be explaining transgender people to small children. First of all, we don’t, really. Second, most of the information is just... not age appropriate. Growing up, a family friend transitioned after she had kids. I remember asking my mom about how that was medically possible and she just told me that I wasn’t entitled to anyone’s medical history, especially if it involves their physical sex. I feel like that’s a lot more reasonable than telling a 7 year old how neovaginas are made.

I would look them dead-pan, straight in the eye, and ask them why they need to explain the needs, motivations, and actions of transgender people, to my children.

I would genuinely like to hear their reasoning, straight out of their mouths. Really, I am quite open to hearing their point of view, as I am, any other.

Who knows, maybe their reasoning would be so watertight, that they could convince me.

Then I would ask how they intend to explain this to their target audience, which would be about 4 and 7. How do they intend to explain this, without reverting to prescriptive and/or descriptive gender stereotyping in the process? And keep the entire discussion rated G and jargon free.

.... without of course, referring me, or anybody else, to outside reference materials. I just want their reasons, justifications, and approach. Not what this children's book, researcher or web-page has to say, or what their friend did.

Bring it on.

Who knows? I might be favorably convinced.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

It’s kind of worse, that people don’t believe it, but are conditioned to act like they do. It’s like a form of societal madness - we are changing laws in a way that damages half the population, experimenting on kids and dismantling all the societal norms that aim to keep sexual boundaries in place. For something that nobody actually believes. It’s so weird, and it begs the question, “ if you can control people like this, what else can you make them willingly do?”

Which is where I was going with my thoughts in the other thread. The reaction to that was to just ignore that I even wrote anything, which I thought was interesting.

I'm not even slightly implying I'm right with any of my thoughts, it is more that no one appears to be able to think about the wider agendas that may be at play.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

 

[Otterly]

it is more that no one appears to be able to think about the wider agendas that may be at play.

I think the problem with talking about that stuff is that it’s easy to dismiss because you (not you personally, just anyone who does) can sound like they think there’s some sort of HQ with a bunch of evil dastardly types twirling their moustaches and plotting the downfall of western civilisation. I don’t think that most of this is driven by some people who just thought it up and made it happen, I do however think that some people in places of influence latch on to movements or trends and push them towards their own agendas. There’s no doubt this happens - look at PIE, nambla etc. They’ve all insinuated themselves into ‘progressive’ movements to steer them towards what they want.
There are also groups like TELI (trans legal pressure group) who are seeking to set up test cases, WPATH who are seeking to change the standard of care for kids etc.
What trans activists want dovetails well with what people who want access to children want.
I think it’s interesting that people deny this but not surprising. It is very unpleasant for the average Joe to think about. When people who weren’t around then learn about PIE for example they tend to be extremely shocked. We tend to believe that people are acting in good faith (well, those of us who aren’t cynical about human nature anyway.)
Anyway I personally have no difficulty believing that some loosely connected groups act in concert to achieve their aims, namely changing of the standard of care for kids, and enshrining the ‘right’ to transition in law. We’ve seen this as well with shit like the Yogyakarta principles, then that guy who was later done for child porn having influence over the UN rights of the child legislation,
It may not be some grand overarching conspiracy, but there are definitely some grubby people exerting influence to get what they want.

 

[Non-Expert!]

I'm firmly convinced that troons are being used to push an agenda that will usher in legalizing pedophilia. I don't think those in power really care about troons (other than the money drug companies can make off of them) but there seem to be quite a few pedos in positions of power throughout the world.

Think about the push for trans kids to have body autonomy. If they are mature enough to decide to delay puberty, take hormones, even get surgery in some cases -- surely they are mature enough to consent to sex. And the notion that kids know their gender from a young age has sexual undertones to it. Plus, pedophiles with young kids could get a few more years of access at their age of attraction if they can delay their kid's puberty. One doctor, in hindsight, even suspected as much in one of the cases at the NHS gender clinic in the UK.

If you can convince people to say that a trans "woman" is a real woman even though the vast majority know this to be a lie, couldn't you also convince them to say that kids are able to consent to sex even though they don't agree with it? If anti-pedophiles were treated the way transphobes are (ostracized, being fired for their views, deplatformed on social media), I could see them getting away with it.

I think that you might be right about this push but there will be an inevitable push-back.

When fringe advocates face the weight of the medical community, credentialed educators, child development specialists, psychologists, parenting experts, law enforcement, social workers, and common sense, on a teeter-totter, the troons and the pedos are going to go flying off of it.

Also, every single one of the disciplines mentioned (common sense is not a discipline) has regulating bodies, codes of ethics, standard operating procedures and evidence-based practice.

So lunatics can try to spin the arguments in their favor, and perhaps they might make some headway. But while discussion fora, bizarre parades and displays, and unsupported opinions might change feelings, they aren't going to stand up to established facts. Also, if their feelings and beliefs about children's sexuality lead to disastrous consequences, all of this will collapse under its own weight.

 

[Pond Scum]

a 5 year old child has an in-tact hymen and this membrane is going to cover the vagina hole

Just what do you think the hymen is? It's not supposed to cover the entire hole.

 

[AnOminous]

Just what do you think the hymen is? It's not supposed to cover the entire hole.

That's literally a dangerous medical condition called an imperforate hymen. It requires (minor) surgical intervention.