Opinion The Dangerous Rise Of Men Who Won’t Date “Woke” Women

The word "irrespective" means saying or doing something without taking anything else into account. For example: "Irrespective of the fact that the cost of living has jumped, putting pressure on many people, the government ploughed on with Brexit and argued that there would be no real economic impact."

So it is fitting that white man of the moment, Laurence Fox – who appeared on the BBC’s Question Time programme and told a BAME audience member that Meghan Markle has not been on the receiving end of racism before subsequently appearing on the cover of The Sunday Times to tell the world that he does not "date woke women" and then displaying an appalling understanding of history by calling the inclusion of a Sikh soldier in Sam Mendes' film 1917 "incongruous" – has "irrespective" tattooed on his arm.

Did you hear that at the back, ladies? Laurence Fox – who you perhaps only knew as Billie Piper’s ex-husband because you’ve never seen Lewis (what?) – does not date "woke" women who he believes are being taught that they are "victims", irrespective of whether they are right or not. He thinks that it’s "institutionally racist" to tell the story of the First World War in a racially diverse way, irrespective of the fact that Sikh soldiers absolutely fought for Britain. And he also doesn’t believe in white privilege, irrespective of the fact that he works in a painfully undiverse industry, was privately educated and comes from a wealthy acting family which is nothing short of a dynasty.


Fox is denying racism and sexism, irrespective of whether or not they exist. It’s nothing short of gaslighting. It’s all very Donald Trump. And as you would expect, the whole debacle has lit a fire under anti-woke poster boy Piers Morgan while gaining Fox thousands of extra Twitter followers.

I could go over all the things he’s said; I could use data to prove how wrong he is; I could express concern for his mental health (after all, who really enjoys arguing on Twitter?); I could make jokes about his behaviour. But all of that would be to seriously miss the point.

There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet.

Not wanting to date "woke" women, far from being laughable, is actually one of the more insidious aspects of it. Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things. They might say "no psychos" or that they "fucking hate big eyebrows" in their bios. And, by and large, they also tend to hold extremely right-wing views and see themselves as victims of liberal thinking.

In fact, as I was writing this, a dear friend sent me a screenshot of a guy she’s just matched with who describes Jordan B Peterson as his "dream dinner guest". Yes, the same Jordan B Peterson who thinks that white privilege is a "Marxist lie" and wants millennials to drop their obsession with "social justice".

I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".


All of this, of course, speaks not only to the presence of the very active online communities of anti-feminist incels but to the prevalence of the hideous and incorrect ideas they promote. It doesn’t take magical thinking to see how men are radicalised by anti-feminism. As the saying goes: "When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

The reactionary influence of these ideas doesn’t stop at dating, though. As the campaign group Hope Not Hate reported last year, a hostility towards feminism is feeding directly into far-right movements online. They found that a third of young British people today believe that feminism is marginalising or demonising men and warned that these beliefs were a "slip road" to other far-right ideas.

This isn’t just speculation. We know that the number of far-right referrals to the British government’s deradicalisation scheme Prevent has dramatically increased recently. In the year from 2017/18 they jumped by 36%, while referrals for Islamism actually decreased by 14%.

Last year he released an album called A Grief Observed which is largely about his acrimonious split from Piper. When The Times interviewed him about it he turned up wearing a pro-Donald Trump MAGA (Make America Great Again) cap and said it was a "social experiment". He then told the interviewer that he spent a lot of his time watching YouTube interviews which had "totally radicalised" him and caused him to embark on a "crusade against woke culture and political correctness." He wanted, he said, to call one of the songs "Me Too" but was prevented by his record label.

Fox is a case in point that what might start as playing devil’s advocate by wandering the streets in a MAGA cap to provoke "hipsters" can quickly turn into something more sinister.

The far right itself can be difficult to pin down because it isn’t exactly a coherent global movement with a concrete set of ideas. It largely exists online, in Facebook groups, as Twitter accounts, on YouTube and anonymous message boards such as 8chan. But every now and then, their bile spills out dangerously into the offline world.

In 2016 the Labour MP Jo Cox was murdered by far-right terrorist Thomas Mair who, 25 years before he killed her, told a far-right magazine that the "white race" faced a long and very bloody struggle. And it was 8chan that hosted the manifestos of three mass shooters who killed scores of people last year: the El Paso shooter (who left 20 people dead and many more wounded only a couple of weeks ago), the Poway shooter (who opened fire at a synagogue in California last April) and the Christchurch shooter (who killed 51 people at two mosques in New Zealand last March).

Laurence Fox, whether he realises it or not, has just landed the biggest part of his life. He is legitimising hatred and division. And yet he cannot be completely unaware of the role he plays; he has spoken about being 'radicalised' himself on YouTube.

Susan Faludi wrote about the link between violence, anger and anti-feminism prophetically in her book Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women back in 1991. Long before the turbulent times which have seen the rise to power of two male caricatures – Donald Trump to the office of US president and the accession of Boris Johnson as our prime minister – she warned:

"When an attack on home soil causes cultural paroxysms that have nothing to do with the attack, when we respond to real threats to our nation by distrusting ourselves with imagined threats to femininity and family life, when we invest our leaders with a cartoon masculinity and require of them bluster in lieu of a capacity for rational calculation, and when we blame our frailty in ‘fifth column’ feminists – in short, when we base our security on a mythical male strength that can only increase itself against a mythical female weakness – we should know that we are exhibiting the symptoms of a lethal, albeit curable, cultural affliction."

She added: "When the enemy has no face, society will invent one." For men like Fox, who feel they have been wronged somehow, that they are missing out on opportunities because, for once in history, they are being given to other people, women and people of colour become the enemy.

“When the enemy has no face, society will invent one.
SUSAN FALUDI, BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN”

You can see it in the abuse and threats received by women MPs and in the wildly different treatment of Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton. While Middleton, who generally keeps herself to herself and says little, has become a pinup heroine for traditionalists, Markle, who has spoken openly about sexism and racism, trying to use her platform for good, has been – quite literally – driven out of the country, condemned for being an outspoken snowflake.

Make no mistake, the far right is already capitalising on Fox’s words, gassing him up and turning him into an icon. He has added to their backlash and given it oxygen. Every time he is invited onto a TV or radio show to talk about it, that oxygen will cause the backlash to burn hotter and faster, irrespective of whether we’re watching or not. It’s important not to trivialise this anti-woke, anti-women backlash. In the end, it’s only by paying attention to it that we can understand it and do something about it.
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According to feminist writer Vicky Spratt, men not wanting to date ‘woke’ women is an “insidious” trend that could lead to the radicalization of terrorists.

In an article for Vice Media outlet Refinery29, Spratt gets all worked up about Laurence Fox, the British actor who recently triggered a monumental hissy fit by daring to suggest that the UK was not a racist country and that “white privilege” doesn’t exist.

Fox has given several interviews in which he explains how he refuses to date ‘woke’ women who are obsessed with political correctness. He even said he dumped his girlfriend last year because she praised Gillette’s insufferable “toxic masculinity” commercial.

According to Spratt, Fox’s dating choices are part of an “insidious” societal trend that will inevitably lead to women being killed by terrorists.

“There’s nothing funny about the things Fox – or Wokey McWokeface as he now wants to be known – is saying. It’s also not particularly sad. It’s dangerous. He is just one very privileged man, and as a result of said privilege, has been given a platform. And he has used that platform to legitimise a bigger backlash against diversity and progress which is unfolding every single day in less public corners of the internet,” she writes.

Spratt then goes on to cite the killing of Labour MP Jo Cox by right-wing terrorist Thomas Mair as well as the Christchurch shooting and the El Paso shooting, despite the fact that none of these shootings had anything to do with anti-feminism or hatred of women.

Spratt’s actual grievance appears to stem from the fact that she is personally struggling to find a boyfriend (most likely because of her God-awful woke opinions) and is resentful towards Fox for touching a raw nerve.

“Spend an afternoon on any major dating app and you’ll come across (generally white) men saying openly sexist and misogynistic things,” whines Spratt (because of course she’s single and obviously bitter about it), before going on to suggest she isn’t having much luck with the dating scene.

Meanwhile, Lawrence Fox is presumably doing just fine because real women are not attracted to low testosterone pussies who spend all day consuming soy products and apologizing for their white privilege.
 
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In fact, as I was writing this, a dear friend sent me a screenshot of a guy she’s just matched with who describes Jordan B Peterson as his "dream dinner guest". Yes, the same Jordan B Peterson who thinks that white privilege is a "Marxist lie" and wants millennials to drop their obsession with "social justice".

I, meanwhile, recently had to block someone who after matching with me launched into a vile rant about how women are "evil", "only want sex" and treat men as though they are "disposable". When I asked him if he hated women he replied that he had "only moderate disdain" for us before asking me whether I didn’t want to date him because I’m actually "pretty rough".

Things that did not fucking happen for 1,000 Alex.

It's like Deep Thought finally came up with something that'd deserve "I wouldn't even rape you" as a reply.
"How many Men said they wouldn't even rape you?"

"Fourty Two!"
 
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Marcos has personally just said "fuck society" and purchased land in a remote area to build the secret Comandante Bunker where he will be alone and live off the land and drive into the nearest town (pop. ~7500) once a week to do laundry and check snail mail and buy a few things at Walmart. The risk of meeting a secretly Woke Womxn on a dating app and then finding yourself with your dick chopped off and in jail on a charge (or 10) of forcible rape is just not worth it. And yes I'm serious. A society where the young have so much free time on their hands that they ruin the lives of random people due to a need for "excitement" is not one I want to be a part of.

For millenia the primary focus of humans was surviving long enough to propagate the next generation; men farmed, women did household duties, period. Today a couple percent of the population feeds the rest, who get so bored at their cushy pretend-jobs sitting at desks that they blow up random people's lives so they can watch a real life National Enquirer story. Then they move on, leaving innocent mxn in jail and/or paying huge fines/child support. So, fuck it. It will be hilarious as fuck when our petroleum-based civilization finally barrels into the rock wall at 200 mph and far-leftards are literally eating each other, though.
 
I think people need to be tutored on the difference between 'woke' women and cunts.

I think it is like Squares and Rectangles, not all Cunts are Woke..but all Wokes are Cunts.

You must date trans people.
You must date outside your race (if you're white).
You must date woke people.

You must work the full time job
You must buy the things that but you into debt slavery
You must eat the bugs
You must sleep in the pod

They are totalitarians in everything they do.
 
Everyone wants something different out of life.

Everyone wants something different in a partner.

Very few, I'd wager, want someone to keep track of and scold them for all their "microagressions" day after day.

That's why you can't get a date, lady, you are thoroughly unpleasant and nasty right off the bat, and surprise, nobody wants that.
 
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Well why on earth would you want to date a woman who hates men?
I remember going on a blind date once with a guy who just went on and on about how much he hated his ex, and it was pretty clear he just hated women. It got uncomfortable to the point I left as soon as I could because he was awful.
I didn’t want to date someone like that, and i can see why men wouldn’t want to date a woman who thinks men are the source of all evil.

no one owes anyone a date, or sex, or love. If people won’t date you, you might want to have a serious look at how you come across. I’ve dated guys who look like the back end of a bus, but they were smart and fun, and there was mutual affection And respect. It’s not about looks, it’s about personality. If you’re a man hating woke SJW, you need to accept that your dating pool is going to be shallow.
 
I'm glad I was dating in the 80's and early 90's and didn't have to put up with crazy bitches like that fucking weirdo. Sure, most of my preferred dating pool were GRRLPWR! women that wanted to help you work on the truck and pull stumps and didn't mind getting dirty and sweaty.

This dumb shit of "Date me or you're a bigot" sounds fucking rapey to my old brain. These bitches don't get it, you can dislike the way someone does their hair and not date them, and politics and culture are something that two people have to have in common or it'll be nothing but constantly fighting.

Plus, can you imagine the kind of shit they'd put a kid through? The GRRLPOWER woman didn't care if Tommy played with dolls and Betty played with Tonka trucks, she just wanted them healthy, happy, laughing and playing outside. These woke-scolds won't be happy until she's trooning them out and lecturing them on how much privilege they have.

Woke-scolds are completely unmarriable. They aren't going to divide up the household duties, they aren't going to dump their money into the kitty to pay bills, they aren't going to provide emotional support for you or the kids because it's emotional labor, they aren't going to sit there with you and watch the snow come down while drinking coffee without bringing up stupid shit and ruining the evening.

They're probably borderline unfuckable too. When you fuck, you wanna fuck, and that "affirmative consent" shit is like a badly tuned AI tried to figure out consent after having sex described to them by a middle schooler. You can't trust them not to revoke consent six months later.

Worse, is when you get with someone, you're also bringing in friends, and you just know that her fellow woke-scolds would take joy for that dopamine hit for ruining your relationship and your life.

It isn't the men in this.

They've made themselves undatable, unfuckable, unable to have a relationship, and unmarriagable.

Hope they enjoy their 12 cats.
 
I'm glad I was dating in the 80's and early 90's and didn't have to put up with crazy bitches like that fucking weirdo. Sure, most of my preferred dating pool were GRRLPWR! women that wanted to help you work on the truck and pull stumps and didn't mind getting dirty and sweaty.

This dumb shit of "Date me or you're a bigot" sounds fucking rapey to my old brain. These bitches don't get it, you can dislike the way someone does their hair and not date them, and politics and culture are something that two people have to have in common or it'll be nothing but constantly fighting.

Plus, can you imagine the kind of shit they'd put a kid through? The GRRLPOWER woman didn't care if Tommy played with dolls and Betty played with Tonka trucks, she just wanted them healthy, happy, laughing and playing outside. These woke-scolds won't be happy until she's trooning them out and lecturing them on how much privilege they have.

Woke-scolds are completely unmarriable. They aren't going to divide up the household duties, they aren't going to dump their money into the kitty to pay bills, they aren't going to provide emotional support for you or the kids because it's emotional labor, they aren't going to sit there with you and watch the snow come down while drinking coffee without bringing up stupid shit and ruining the evening.

They're probably borderline unfuckable too. When you fuck, you wanna fuck, and that "affirmative consent" shit is like a badly tuned AI tried to figure out consent after having sex described to them by a middle schooler. You can't trust them not to revoke consent six months later.

Worse, is when you get with someone, you're also bringing in friends, and you just know that her fellow woke-scolds would take joy for that dopamine hit for ruining your relationship and your life.

It isn't the men in this.

They've made themselves undatable, unfuckable, unable to have a relationship, and unmarriagable.

Hope they enjoy their 12 cats.
Rate me :optimistic: if you all must, but it's stuff like this only makes me hope that in the next 10-20 years from now when all these woke-scolds hit the wall harder than a freight train, they all serve as waddling, neon-haired, cat piss-stained Windows Into Hell for the next generation of young women that aren't interested in living lives of loneliness, bitterness and despair
 
Woke-scolds are completely unmarriable. They aren't going to divide up the household duties, they aren't going to dump their money into the kitty to pay bills, they aren't going to provide emotional support for you or the kids because it's emotional labor, they aren't going to sit there with you and watch the snow come down while drinking coffee without bringing up stupid shit and ruining the evening.

This is the perfect paragraph-length summary to her entire argument.

Adding one thing: it used to be that politics generally wasn't a deal-breaker in a relationship. You could have completely different political views from your partner, and it didn't matter because politics has no place in a normal life.

In a healthy society, politics comes up only on cases of massive national import, or once a year when it's time to vote. Politics should never inform how you live your life or interact with people; that should be driven by common sense, tradition, historical wisdom/religion, science, innate emotion, reason, empathy, or politeness.

But modern lefty politics demands you conform your life according to a political belief system, and that you proselytize it everywhere. This is largely feminism's fault, because they were the ones who proclaimed "the personal is political" back in the 1970's. Now the left applies that to everything else, down to cutting out people from your life if they threw a meaningless vote to the wrong person.

And this issue isn't even with feminism or women in general. There's an old joke: "How do you find a vegan at a party?" Answer: "You don't, the vegan will find you [and preach about veganism]." Nobody needs to make those jokes about people who quietly choose not to eat certain things. When your politics turns you into a zealot, your social perception becomes less about your other attributes, and more about your obnoxious zealotry.

The problem is not that politics makes relationships untenable. The problem is woke politics makes relationships unbearable.
 
Rate me :optimistic: if you all must, but it's stuff like this only makes me hope that in the next 10-20 years from now when all these woke-scolds hit the wall harder than a freight train, they all serve as waddling, neon-haired, cat piss-stained Windows Into Hell for the next generation of young women that aren't interested in living lives of loneliness, bitterness and despair

I am sure they will.

Then those young women will hit their fifties, burnt out and choking on the accumulated resentment of thirty years of “traditional marriage”, because everything is cyclical, and the generation of young women after them will want rainbow hair and cats too.

If you think you can’t experience loneliness, bitterness and despair in “traditional marriage”, take a look at the divorce figures and the number of marriage counselling services in your city.

Some folk - many folk - are never going to be happy, single or partnered. It’s for the best that they don’t partner up and make another poor cunt miserable.
 
I'm glad I was dating in the 80's and early 90's and didn't have to put up with crazy bitches like that fucking weirdo. Sure, most of my preferred dating pool were GRRLPWR! women that wanted to help you work on the truck and pull stumps and didn't mind getting dirty and sweaty.

This dumb shit of "Date me or you're a bigot" sounds fucking rapey to my old brain. These bitches don't get it, you can dislike the way someone does their hair and not date them, and politics and culture are something that two people have to have in common or it'll be nothing but constantly fighting.

Plus, can you imagine the kind of shit they'd put a kid through? The GRRLPOWER woman didn't care if Tommy played with dolls and Betty played with Tonka trucks, she just wanted them healthy, happy, laughing and playing outside. These woke-scolds won't be happy until she's trooning them out and lecturing them on how much privilege they have.

Woke-scolds are completely unmarriable. They aren't going to divide up the household duties, they aren't going to dump their money into the kitty to pay bills, they aren't going to provide emotional support for you or the kids because it's emotional labor, they aren't going to sit there with you and watch the snow come down while drinking coffee without bringing up stupid shit and ruining the evening.

They're probably borderline unfuckable too. When you fuck, you wanna fuck, and that "affirmative consent" shit is like a badly tuned AI tried to figure out consent after having sex described to them by a middle schooler. You can't trust them not to revoke consent six months later.

Worse, is when you get with someone, you're also bringing in friends, and you just know that her fellow woke-scolds would take joy for that dopamine hit for ruining your relationship and your life.

It isn't the men in this.

They've made themselves undatable, unfuckable, unable to have a relationship, and unmarriagable.

Hope they enjoy their 12 cats.
But if they convert the majority of young women into their cult, then straight men will have no choice. I wonder if that's the goal, "empowering" women by reducing the amount of things they have to do to appeal to men (like grooming, dieting, dressing well, developing a pleasant personality &c.). When every "smart" and "quirky" girl from high school turns into a dangerhair even a landwhale becomes appealing.

"BPD and Ecstasy, conceited with low self-esteem... I'd still hit it if I could"-Negative XP
 
Adding one thing: it used to be that politics generally wasn't a deal-breaker in a relationship. You could have completely different political views from your partner, and it didn't matter because politics has no place in a normal life.

In a healthy society, politics comes up only on cases of massive national import, or once a year when it's time to vote. Politics should never inform how you live your life or interact with people; that should be driven by common sense, tradition, historical wisdom/religion, science, innate emotion, reason, empathy, or politeness.

But modern lefty politics demands you conform your life according to a political belief system, and that you proselytize it everywhere. This is largely feminism's fault, because they were the ones who proclaimed "the personal is political" back in the 1970's. Now the left applies that to everything else, down to cutting out people from your life if they threw a meaningless vote to the wrong person.
My grandfather told me to marry someone who I don't agree with 100% politically, because if it's a cold night you can argue over politics to warm up the blood.

The funny thing is, it used to be, it was OK to have different poliltics in the family. Uncle Ted might be a long haired hippy type pinko fag, but man did he BBQ like a madman and play a mean guitar at the Christmas party. Aunt Mary might be a feminist, but the most she'll do when she's halfway through her bottle of wine is ask you if you help your wife with the household chores for the 10th time that night. Uncle Bob might be a weirdo gun nut survivalist, but holy shit, does he get the best Christmas gifts. You all loved each other and everyone's differences made the family stronger and better.

These faggoty woke-scolds have made it so our differences are supposed to separate us. They've even made it so that who you vote for, in the privacy of the voting both, one of the most sacred places in the Western World, should be scrutinized by them for wrong-think and judgment.

I feel for the latest generation, I really do. We didn't beat you enough. We didn't tell you that you weren't fucking special, life wasn't fair, nobody owes you jack shit, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch and you get what you work for. We should have probably smacked you more and let you go out and do stupid shit and get in trouble more. When they first suggested Zero Tolerance policies, we should have tarred and feathered that motherfucker and ran him out on a rail. We should have let you fall down and get bruised and scraped up more and told you that everyone fails sometimes so pick yourself up, wipe the blood from your eyes, and keep going. (Captain Marvel's super power was apparently standing up like anyone else) We should have let you take more risks, go out past dark, make bad decisions, and protected you less. We should have let you fail classes and get F's on tests without running in and screaming at the school. We should have had you do chores and given you shitty allowances. We should have told our parents to shut the fuck up and that they'd done their best to ruin us so they don't get to ruin you. Every nanny-state law put forth should have resulted in tar and feathers for its supporters. We tried to protect you from how we'd been hurt and fucked you up in all new and spectacular ways, and for that, I really feel for you.

Now you're stuck with people like that moron who wrote the article, who think that happiness is supposed to be the default when for 99% of human history just not being miserable was seen as the goal. People like her have damaged the family because they advocate breaking off family ties over something as stupid as who you voted for, destroy personal relationships by demanding it all be their way without any repercussions or effort on their part and that they be happy 100% of the time, and destroyed everything they've touched out of a demand to make the world into one homogeneous blog that is exactly like them.

This woman's mother needed to smack her more and tell her that she doesn't get everything she wants in life and she has to put forth 50% of the effort into a relationship.

I feel for you guys, I really do. I wish I had a magic wand I could wave and make things better.
 
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