Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Milk Mage]

All quiet on the western front for now it seems. In the meantime, I'll keep making my apocalypse playlist.

 

[Twinkie]

I’m seeing a lot of gloom and doom music recommendations for this. If we’re going to hell in a hand basket let’s go out singing in fucking style

Right?! Make the most of those lungs while you can, before they fill up with blood and sputum ⚰ ⚰

And here's a cooldown

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Someone in Orange County tested positive yesterday. Found out about this originally from an EMT, this was near San Diego. He says there are at least 5 other suspected cases at local hospitals, he expects we will hear about more confirmed cases today. Says there's a lot of chatter about Palo Alto, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, but it's all based on large Chinese populations in these areas. He says there's a report circulating from the Franchise Tax Board - the state's tax agency - showing locations of Chinese owned businesses in the state who own property. It's being used by hospitals to prepare emergency responses. To clarify: they're prepping statewide for more than a few cases.

The CDC is starting to track WuFlu. Good bookmark to have. Also, their discussion about coronaviruses in general. TLDR: coronaviruses are common, animals like camels, cats and bats help spread them, most likely transmission route is sneezes, and there is no cure for any coronavirus - doctors just treat the symptoms.

Patent for a method for curing a coronavirus. This is the famous Bill Gates patent. Patents are very wordy, simplest way to understand this is to skip to the end and read the Claims section. I'm not a medical professional, maybe someone else wants to explain it in more detail. The one doctor I discussed it with, all I got out of the conversation was plasmids and phages are important words.

Important to keep an eye on dashboards. The maps, dashboards I've seen have not been updated to reflect latest news in more than 24 hours. Wondering where they get their data from and if it gets updated over the weekends. This one appears to be more current, I'll be getting my numbers from there.

Finally, a Chinese-American group near where I live said they get news over WeChat from friends and family back home. Lots of screenshots get traded because they're harder to censor. The story might not be the infected, but what people in other parts of China think about the infected. Apparently there is a sentiment the people of Wuhan are weak and trying to take down the country, the government is tearing up roads to stop the people from going there for a purge. They are seeing the same videos we are but many people believe they are faking symptoms to get more stuff from the government.

China is a big place, I don't know anything about Hubei province, and I don't speak the language so I can't monitor for this or tell you how widespread it is. Keep your eyes out for stories about internecine conflict, it's a thing. Not a happening but a thing.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

The Chinaman is at the forefront of genomic and geneering. He also has very little moral concerns about experimentation on humans. If the Chinese are developing a new bioweapon, it is almost certainly racially targeted, probably against Caucasians generally, though that could be something that hits everyone from South Asia to Eastern Europe. Or, I suppose, maybe it could be a way to mop up Africa.

Maybe it's just me, and I'm by no means an expert in biology, but the idea of attempting to control viruses as weapons is the most retarded idea for a weapon ever, and might even be one of the most stupid ideas of mankind as a whole.

A nuclear bomb? Sure, it's lethal. But it's predictable. Nothing some physicists can't calculate and control. It won't violate the laws of physics and be more than it should.

A virus? You are screwed if it gets out of control. They are literally the most lethal being on the planet, just above us (I know it's just one type, but still):

The idea that you could control something like that is a combination of pure, arrogance, stupidity, and naivety that is just mind-blowing. Even a child would know better.

Even if you somehow were able to make it so that it targets certain people or that it doesn't become too contagious, there is no guarantee that your bioweapon won't mutate and become a nasty monster that nobody could control and could quite literally be the end of humanity, or at least most of it.

We still don't have a cure for AIDS, and the only reason that thing didn't become a lot worse (perhaps a treat to humanity as we know it), it is that it's very bad at spreading (needs to be by blood or sexual). If it was as transmittable as this virus or even as regular flu, Just a sneeze, or a cough, I can't even imagine what would've happened if it had been; the nightmares it would've brought.

I dare not to imagine the horrors that are hidden in those Bioweapon labs...

 

[Kane Lives]

Patent for a method for curing a coronavirus. This is the famous Bill Gates patent. Patents are very wordy, simplest way to understand this is to skip to the end and read the Claims section. I'm not a medical professional, maybe someone else wants to explain it in more detail. The one doctor I discussed it with, all I got out of the conversation was plasmids and phages are important words.

Skimmed this. Basically just a vaccine for infectious bronchitis. The good ole' trick where you inject someone with a mild version of the disease so that they don't keel over when they get the real thing.

Not related to the current Wu-Flu, but it's possible they may reuse this method.

 

[HunterHearstHelmsley]

there's a rather large elephant in the room that hasn't been mentioned.

I did consider this but without any white people actually diagnosed it’s just 3 layers deep of speculation or as the chinks would say 放屁

 

[Strong Tomato]

Well shit. Usually stuff like this doesn't bother me. But I'm fucking 8 months pregnant and I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little scared of this.

I will stay

 

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Maybe it's just me, and I'm by no means an expert in biology, but the idea of attempting to control viruses as weapons seems like the most exceptional idea for a weapon ever, and might even be one of the most stupid ideas of mankind as a whole.

A nuclear bomb? Sure, it's lethal. But it's predictable. Nothing some physicists can't calculate and control. It won't violate the laws of physics and be more than it should.

A virus? You are screwed if it gets out of control. They are literally the most lethal being on the planet, just above us (I know it's just one type, but still):

The idea that you could control something like that is a combination of pure, arrogance, stupidity, and naivety that even a child would know better.

Oh, absolutely. However, it's reasonable to expect that the sort of men and women who rise to the top of amoral or immoral governments will not care about killing 90, 95, 99% of the human race. Will it make them more powerful to develop such things? If so, they will do it.

Look at the knock-on effects from the chemical weapons the US empire used in South East Asia. Even the children of those who spread them suffered.

Did the bosses care? They didn't care. Have the European partners of Hussein in developing the chemical weapons he used against the Iranian civilian population done anything to make up for their crimes, as if such a thing were possible? Of course not. These things, whether nuclear, chemical, or biological, are an offence against humanity.

As for racially targeted bio-weapons? The South Africans were endeavouring to produce such things in the 1980s. It's 40 years on. China is unquestionably massively larger. China has individual scientists of at least the same IQ as the apartheid SA scientists would have been. They care less about human life. They're at the pinnacle of genetic technology. They're at least as racist towards outsiders.

Well shit. Usually stuff like this doesn't bother me. But I'm fucking 8 months pregnant and I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little scared of this.

I will stay

Ma'am, it wouldn't hurt to get your man to get in a supply of some of those white disposable flu masks if you can. They should not be reused if you've out in public, especially if things spread.

 

[Sulla]

While i'm personally convinced its a bioweapon, based off of

https://archive.ph/y5jyb - July-14-19 (Chinese spies one of which specialized in SARS steal data and possibly genetic samples, coronavirus was kept in this lvl 4 biolab)

https://archive.ph/eg04f - October-19-19 (Pandemic exercise is held and detailed how the world should work to deal with a pandemic, features a coronavirus outbreak simulation thats kills 65 million)

{https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Hua...6a3b563568b8!2m2!1d114.265467!2d30.375639!3e0}

https://archive.ph/sbMkm (nature article talking about the lab above and explicitly states scientists are worried about containment breach, also concern about china using such facilities to create a bioweapon)

https://archive.ph/uEstv (current dna sequence from virus outside of china and compared with chinese released gnomes suggest virus at earliest first infected at around October 30th)
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I forgot to mention we don't actually have any evidence that the virus originated from bats other than bats being a natural carrier of coronavirus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6466186/ in figure 1 of this paper it shows that bats in Huwan's province of Hubei do not carry any known coronavirus. This paper is from march 11 2019. Im retarded, there are bats with coronavirus in Hubei. But they migrate away during the winter.

Thus the suspicion that there was an intermediary carrier of snakes or some rando animal, but so far this hasn't been found.
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I doubt it was intended for racially targeting since as far as I know there has never been a bioweapon capable of doing this, so it's probably not easy to create. If anything it was made to target Hong Kong, iirc there were reports of protesters last year catching pneumonia but I can't find the source for it.

I did consider this but without any white people actually diagnosed it’s just 3 layers deep of speculation or as the chinks would say 放屁

IIRC one of the Thailand infected is a british hiker, he's lost something like 70 pounds over 3 weeks and has to have 2 kg of fluid drained from his lungs every 12 hrs. (https://archive.ph/fSW24)
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Finally, a Chinese-American group near where I live said they get news over WeChat from friends and family back home. Lots of screenshots get traded because they're harder to censor. The story might not be the infected, but what people in other parts of China think about the infected. Apparently there is a sentiment the people of Wuhan are weak and trying to take down the country, the government is tearing up roads to stop the people from going there for a purge. They are seeing the same videos we are but many people believe they are faking symptoms to get more stuff from the government.

The ccp government tearing up roads to protect wuhan from a purge sounds like propaganda to me. But, it's good to know that the road blockades have more evidence of being confirmed legit.

 

[HunterHearstHelmsley]

IIRC one of the Thailand infected is a british hiker, he's lost something like 70 pounds over 3 weeks and has to have 2 kg of fluid drained from his lungs every 12 hrs.

Unable to archive this sorry but he appears to have had Influenza A and is in recovery.

There were concerns Ashley contracted Chinese Coronavirus, which has so far contributed to nine deaths, but medics confirmed he was suffering from a severe strain of the virus known as Flu A.

 

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The ccp government tearing up roads to protect wuhan from a purge sounds like propaganda to me. But, it's good to know that the road blockades have more evidence of being confirmed legit.

Didn't realize the existence of blockades was in dispute? There's been video from the likes of BBC China correspondants showing police roadblocks in effect for days.

I doubt it was intended for racially targeting since as far as I know there has never been a bioweapon capable of doing this, so it's probably not easy to create. If anything it was made to target Hong Kong, iirc there were reports of protesters last year catching pneumonia but I can't find the source for it.

I doubt there's enough genetic difference to allow targeting of Cantonese. Racial targeting was once difficult, before genetic engineering. Differences in protein expression, and the differences between ethnic groups, are now fairly well understood.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

I did consider this but without any white people actually diagnosed it’s just 3 layers deep of speculation or as the chinks would say 放屁

While i'm personally convinced its a bioweapon, based off of

https://archive.ph/y5jyb - July-14-19 (Chinese spies one of which specialized in SARS steal data and possibly genetic samples, coronavirus was kept in this lvl 4 biolab)

https://archive.ph/eg04f - October-19-19 (Pandemic exercise is held and detailed how the world should work to deal with a pandemic, features a coronavirus outbreak simulation thats kills 65 million)

{https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Hua...6a3b563568b8!2m2!1d114.265467!2d30.375639!3e0}

https://archive.ph/sbMkm (nature article talking about the lab above and explicitly states scientists are worried about containment breach)

https://archive.ph/uEstv (current dna sequence from virus outside of china and compared with chinese released gnomes suggest virus at earliest first infected at around October 30th)
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I doubt it was intended for racially targeting since as far as I know there has never been a bioweapon capable of doing this, so it's probably not easy to create. If anything it was made to target Hong Kong, iirc there were reports of protesters last year catching pneumonia but I can't find the source for it.


IIRC one of the Thailand infected is a british hiker, he's lost something like 70 pounds over 3 weeks and has to have 2 kg of fluid drained from his lungs every 12 hrs. (https://archive.ph/fSW24)

Eh. No need for tinfoil hats.

Bioweapons are like Tae Kwon Do, more a defensive art than offensive. They are there to scare your enemy and not to be used. Genociding an entire race is bad business.

My suspicions revolve around the economy. SARS cost China billions, WARS is more lethal and could cost them trillions. Xi's regime depends on delivering the goods on improvements to quality of life, a massive outbreak that wrecks the economy could take him down quickly. Possible successors are all military hawks who would love to pull some levers to take down the US, disastrous as that may prove.

Contrast that with this. Xi's regime has been preparing for a transition to a post-US world order. A strong military showing in the South China Sea or elsewhere would wreck all this progress towards projecting a benign, friendly model of leadership. The stakes are very high in maintaining the economy, preventing this outbreak from becoming something bigger has a lot riding on it.

What I see is the CCP propaganda machine starting to swing into effect, calling people racist and attacking the locals for not managing this. I expect the local potentates all to be executed within a few months after some show trials. Reform programs will be put in place for the entire Hubei province, there will be a lot of videos of people walking around in plastic suits that are not HAZMAT spraying stuff with wands. Anything they can blame - wet markets, bat soup, corrupt doctors, ignorant officials, etc - will be the subject of online hate mobs. We will probably see random videos of people being beaten in the streets and blamed for the loss of loved ones.

The one legitimate claim I could see for this being a bioweapon is Africa. The economy and population is booming, sino-african relationships are on the rise, and a pandemic-level health crisis could lead to an arms race to provide proper medical infrastructure to the continent. There's about 1.2 billion people in Africa, expected to rise to about 2 bil by 2050 as population and life expectations increase. It's a business opportunity the US is underprepared to serve. There are cases where the Chinese dropping Corona-Chan in the streets of Mogadishu makes sense.

A lot more sense than using it to go after their biggest trading partner.

As for the inability of geneticists to develop a bioweapon capable of targeting specific genetic markers - that's naive. We have biomedical efforts going on across the spectrum doing exactly that. Again, just because we could make them doesn't mean it's a good idea to do so. It would be the prohibitive cost of using them that stops this from happening, not some technical issue with making it happen.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

The whole Bioweapon thing is certainly a possibility but until there's more concrete evidence I'm going to keep Hanlon's Razor in mind.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

If we already go through the rabbit hole of it being a biological weapon to affect certain races, then it would be more logical for it to be targeted against Africans. That way the Chinese can export their excess population to Africa without too much of a global backlash. Trying to use it against white people would mutually destroy Chinese economy and trying to use it against other Asian populations will be too risky.

 

[Literary Hitler]

Until we see convoys of trucks filled to the brim with slaked lime, I wouldn't worry too much.

 

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They have been treating the infected in China with HIV antiviral medications and others

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[Sulla]

Didn't realize the existence of blockades was in dispute? There's been video from the likes of BBC China correspondants showing police roadblocks in effect for days.

I should of been more specific and stated there are pictures of them tearing up roads/railways.
There's more pictures than this, but this was the first one I could find, so far unverified.

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Eh. No need for tinfoil hats.

Bioweapons are like Tae Kwon Do, more a defensive art than offensive. They are there to scare your enemy and not to be used. Genociding an entire race is bad business.

My suspicions revolve around the economy. SARS cost China billions, WARS is more lethal and could cost them trillions. Xi's regime depends on delivering the goods on improvements to quality of life, a massive outbreak that wrecks the economy could take him down quickly. Possible successors are all military hawks who would love to pull some levers to take down the US, disastrous as that may prove.

Contrast that with this. Xi's regime has been preparing for a transition to a post-US world order. A strong military showing in the South China Sea or elsewhere would wreck all this progress towards projecting a benign, friendly model of leadership. The stakes are very high in maintaining the economy, preventing this outbreak from becoming something bigger has a lot riding on it.

What I see is the CCP propaganda machine starting to swing into effect, calling people racist and attacking the locals for not managing this. I expect the local potentates all to be executed within a few months after some show trials. Reform programs will be put in place for the entire Hubei province, there will be a lot of videos of people walking around in plastic suits that are not HAZMAT spraying stuff with wands. Anything they can blame - wet markets, bat soup, corrupt doctors, ignorant officials, etc - will be the subject of online hate mobs. We will probably see random videos of people being beaten in the streets and blamed for the loss of loved ones.

Right, Idk if my original post was unclear or what, but I don't think that this weapon was made to use offensively against other countries and only speculated if it was going to be used it would be against hong kong. Also bioweapons have more use than just MAD, eg creating a debilitating agent that doesn't kill but pacifies the enemy.

Reminder that wet markets were supposed to be banned after og sars, and look how that turned out.

We're at something like 17 cities quarantined now during the chinese equivalent of black friday and given Xi calling the situation bad on the international stage its not helping the outlook of the situation.

The fake hazmat situation is either propaganda to calm people, or they've run out of suits. Imo its a combination of both since there are videos earlier in this thread of doctors complaining about resource shortages and being given fake equipment.
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https://archive.ph/CKcS2 This is a port city, presumably being kept open to not further debilitate the economy. Note, this is the first city to of been put in quarantine outside of a 200 mile radius of wuhan.

Rip Hong Kong, disease quarantine line right next door.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

The whole Bioweapon thing is certainly a possibility but until there's more concrete evidence I'm going to keep Hanlon's Razor in mind.

If you want to stay out of the rabbit hole, try this fun exercise.

China has an aging population. Like populations of the West, the increased drain on services comes with a cost to the economy. They just had the lowest year of growth in 20 years, 2020 is projected to be worse. Most financial analysts know they are lying about the numbers and this could lead to a worldwide recession.

A lot of corona-chan reports focus on the idea that it's people with respiratory diseases and weakened immune systems who are most vulnerable to the virus. If someone wanted to use a bioweapon, they would not do so without a goal in mind. Removing the drain on the economy could be considered a worthy goal, and it's not like the CCP hasn't done stuff like this before using a different delivery system (lead.)

Does that mean they want to kill all old people so they can sell more EVs? No. People have grandmothers and grandfathers they really care about, even in the CCP propaganda core. They would not do that to themselves, not on a large scale.

But... watch for published figures about the number of travelers on flights out of China to destinations in the US and Africa. They're hard to find, but they're out there, especially in membership organizations related to the travel and tourism industry. They tend to trail actual use by a month or two.

If this gets hot, you may hear about increased travel out of China starting in December. Would that be because travelers were looking to escape a threat, or because the government set up quarantines in such a way as to give the population notice and thus time to escape?

The Chinese general populace hates the US and Africa. Does that mean they want to wipe us out? Or maybe is this a dry run for something they are planning after Belt and Road? The answer is no. They need to sell us shit, not murder us. Getting some people sick would help them sell services related to building hospitals, but that's it.

Come back to this in a month. If we have millions dying worldwide, see if anybody cares about discussing bioweapons. My guess is the death toll will top off at 100k, there will be televised beatings of doctors in the street because China hates doctors, and the CCP will put Purell stations at the entrance of every building in the country (along with a Ministry of 3 million people devoted to keeping them full at all times.)

Here's how to understand China: if it's a financial issue, they will kill you and their own mother for the money and maybe eat the corpse. Anything else, it's drama designed to keep peasants believing in great things to come. They want you as a peasant-by-proxy, not as a meal.

 

[Jaimas]

Words

I am entirely convinced at this point that your ongoing post series is a work of either brilliant satire or ball-shattering pretentiousness and nothing at this point can convince me otherwise.

 

[Sulla]

The whole Bioweapon thing is certainly a possibility but until there's more concrete evidence I'm going to keep Hanlon's Razor in mind.

If you want to be Technical, Hanlon's Razor applies to both cases of retard eats bat, and retard accidentally releases bioweapon.
Nothing they could do dood.